What's going on with the void dmg?

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

So i decided to try out xaku(new void based frame) so far it been underwhelming, the 1st ability which is suppose to be a buff, well i dont see any difference from when i use vs when i dont, the 2nd ability is a lackluster, you dont really see any real damage unless/until you steal 5-6 gun from the enemies, only then will you melt them quick, the defense debuff and the void laser both need more range(the void laser could use a buff) and FINALLY the super, i use it both on low levels AND high levels this thing doesnt do ANYTHING other than make u a skeleton with more speed and harder to hit, it doesnt dmg the enemies like they said it would(or atleast not any noticeable dmg)..now keep in mind that all these happened while i was running blind rage on "it"...what in the world happened? Is this the new zephyr?i heard they(D.E) announced a full reword and patch for "it", anyone know if its true?

[0_The_F00l]

They said in a stream that they plan to give it another power pass.

 havent built it yet , so i cant comment on its effectiveness.

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

1 minute ago, 0_The_F00l said:

They said in a stream that they plan to give it another power pass.

 havent built it yet , so i cant comment on its effectiveness.

A power pass?like a buff of some sort? Cause im hearing all sort of rumors, from its abilities being tweaked, to them being reworked entirely, and/or them getting buffed.

[(XBOX)Graysmog]

1 minute ago, 0_The_F00l said:

They said in a stream that they plan to give it another power pass.

 havent built it yet , so i cant comment on its effectiveness.

The other weird thing about Xaku is that all of their stats are weirdly numbered. 

I understand that he's supposed to be the "broken" Warframe, so they're going to have quirks, but I was really hoping stopped with that weird editing of base stat thing with Nekros. Like, we get it, it's cool and all, but limiting Warframes like Nekros to 666 Shields for the "spooky" factor is just dumb when it comes to the Warframe's actual survivability.

[0_The_F00l]

Just now, (PS4)ITS_TH3GOD said:

A power pass?like a buff of some sort? Cause im hearing all sort of rumors, from its abilities being tweaked, to them being reworked entirely, and/or them getting buffed.

Could go either way ,

could just tweak the numbers or introduce new mechanics.

[(XBOX)Shodian]

1 minute ago, 0_The_F00l said:

Could go either way ,

could just tweak the numbers or introduce new mechanics.

I'm hoping for more synergy. I don't think he's terrible, but his ult needs more if it's going to be a channel AND a duration. And his 2 needs a shorter cast time for sure. His 3 is cool but I feel it's a tad complicated. Kinda wish they'd put one of his 3 ability into his 2 then make them both hold or tap abilities.

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

2 minutes ago, 0_The_F00l said:

Could go either way ,

could just tweak the numbers or introduce new mechanics.

Either way i hope they think long and hard cuz this? No no, its like its whole kit was written by someone half asleep and the damage was added in by someone that was in a rush to use the bathroom, don't get me wrong, the frame is fun but D.E just created another zephyr

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

1 minute ago, (XB1)Shodian said:

I'm hoping for more synergy. I don't think he's terrible, but his ult needs more if it's going to be a channel AND a duration. And his 2 needs a shorter cast time for sure. His 3 is cool but I feel it's a tad complicated. Kinda wish they'd put one of his 3 ability into his 2 then make them both hold or tap abilities.

But he is though, like i love the frame but his kit? Woah, his 1st is useless(need a big buff) his 2 needs a buff AND more range AND should also scale with enemy lvls, his 3 well i honestly only find his mind control and the defense debuff useful, defense debuff needs more added range, his 4th need an entire rework...ALL his abilities needs more to have more duration...the void laser is just trash.

[Wyrmius_Prime]

Xaku needs an entire kit rework already. There's no real ultimate, many warframes have damage reduction as their 2nd or 3rd ability for way less energy. The void damage buff of the first ability pales in comparison to the 100's of percents of damage boost other warframes have. 2 and 3 are just bad CC, while 2 also tickles some enemies. On top of all that the ability cast times are way too long.

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

6 minutes ago, Wyrmius_Prime said:

Xaku needs an entire kit rework already. There's no real ultimate, many warframes have damage reduction as their 2nd or 3rd ability for way less energy. The void damage buff of the first ability pales in comparison to the 100's of percents of damage boost other warframes have. 2 and 3 are just bad CC, while 2 also tickles some enemies. On top of all that the ability cast times are way too long.

THIS!!! 

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

10 minutes ago, Wyrmius_Prime said:

Xaku needs an entire kit rework already. There's no real ultimate, many warframes have damage reduction as their 2nd or 3rd ability for way less energy. The void damage buff of the first ability pales in comparison to the 100's of percents of damage boost other warframes have. 2 and 3 are just bad CC, while 2 also tickles some enemies. On top of all that the ability cast times are way too long.

Like honestly i like his abilities and the overall idea they had in mind BUT the damage,range,duration,energy cost, debuff/buff, AND evasion need to be buffed a whole LOT, his 1,2, and 3 need to scale with the enemy lvls

[Firetempest]

Void as a damage needs to be weirder wilder too. A mini mag bubble and meh against everything and Grineer being weirdly resistant. It's just boring.

[0_The_F00l]

2 minutes ago, Firetempest said:

Void as a damage needs to be weirder wilder too. A mini mag bubble and meh against everything and Grineer being weirdly resistant. It's just boring.

Absolutely, Void is supposed to be chaotic.

i say it should proc random status or turn the enemy into cheese once in a while..

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

2 minutes ago, 0_The_F00l said:

Absolutely, Void is supposed to be chaotic.

i say it should proc random status or turn the enemy into cheese once in a while..

Well based on how the MITW(man in the wall) is I'd say that the way it should work is by each enemy shot/infected while the buff is active, it should increase the damage output of all the other abilities(kinda lik how limbo's buff works with the augment)

[Raijin]

Here is my humble opinion on Xaku . 

Xaku’s abilities feel completely lacklustre at the moment.

1. Like OP mentioned the 1st ability buffs DPS by such a minuscule amount that you barely even notice it. It also applies the “void” looking bubble status affect that may as well be an ephemera for the enemies. Even with 200+ power strength this damage buff isn’t noticeable. A significant increase in the utility of this ability would help make it seem more useful. Like if it striped Armor, shields, and HP by a certain amount. Better yet if it made the enemies effected by the void debuff take more damage like Nova’s 4th ability. As it is the use is only limited to sentients to reset their resistances. Which can be done way better with the operator.

2. Xaku’s 2nd ability has a prolonged cast speed and range. When you play in the lower levels finding targets to cast the 2nd ability on will be a problem. The team will slaughter them way faster than you can cast the ability. The range is so small that you can end up just hitting one enemy and getting only one gun, which leads to the DPS problem. Unless you get 6-8 guns, you won't be doing much DPS with this. You also cannot recast the ability to pick up new guns. This means you can miss a group and only disarm one individual and essentially waste the ability. At higher levels in the Steel Path, Xaku gets destroyed before you can even finish the cast of her 2 almost all the time because you just stand there with your arm out. The low range means you will only hit what is directly in front of you in a small cone while other enemies from afar will gun you down.  

When compared to other disabling AOE like Loki’s radial disarm, Xaku’s 2nd falls short. In a perfect situation, you would cast it and hit multiple enemies disarming them all and using their guns. However, you then encounter the other problem, the duration. The duration is so low that you would be lucky even to get the weapons to kill more than a handful of people before it is over and you have to repeat the process.

To fix this increasing the range of the ability, the cast speed, and allowing us to recast the ability to stack more guns would make for a better experience. This means we would essentially be able to steal more guns from enemies as we move. The low duration wouldn’t matter so much because we would be able to recast the ability to replace the guns that disappear.

3. Xaku’s 3rd ability also suffers from range and casting speed issues. The mind control is useful, but ultimately, it is outperformed by Nyx and Revenant. The small range means you hit again only a handful of enemies (see the theme here?) It also cannot be recast until they all die, unlike Nyx who can recast her 4th ability.

The defence striping is in my opinion the only currently viable ability in Xaku’s entire kit. It is so versatile and great in all levels of play because you can remove 100% of enemy defences and open them up to massive amounts of damage. Unfortunately this will essentially force you into a very specific type of build where power strength is essential. 

The void bean Xaku shoot’s is just about the most useless part of the 3rd ability. You literally stand there for 1 second to shoot a very small beam with a very small hit box. Even if it hits something it does very little damage and CC’s them for a little while. If you miss the shot it still drains you of the energy, and it is very easy to miss. Because of the slow cast speed you just sort of end up in the middle raising your hand out hitting 1-2 enemies unless they are in a straight line. 

4. Xaku’s 4th ability makes you become naked and does an AOE blast. The dodge chance is great, the movement speed is great, however the aoe blast again is barely noticeable on the DPS scale. Yes it makes enemies more susceptible to void damage but every other faction just isn’t vulnerable to it like the sentients. It has a activation cost, a set duration, and to make it even better a energy drain while it is activated. It is basically a massive energy dump. Removing the energy drain would greatly improve this ability. 

 

Conclusion, Xaku is not good at fighting out in the open spaces areas of the map. If enemies are spread out the value you get out of their abilities is vastly reduced. Currently if you go for a melee build in tight spaces where the enemies group up you can slaughter them with the defence striping 3rd ability. The 4th ability will make you a harder target to hit but it wont save you all the time. The fact of the matter is that you will be vulnerable every time you cast one of her other abilities. Overall Xaku feels like a jumbled up mess (Maybe what DE intended). Really strong at close range, but really squishy and with abilities that render you stationery when you cast them letting you get blown up easily. Xaku thrives in solo games because other frames will outright kill the enemies before you can do much besides cast her 3rd defence stripping ability. However because of the range issues you can only get a small group of enemies debuffed. 

What would IMO fix her would be to rework Xaku’s 1st and second abilities. If Xaku is able to prime enemies for more dps with her 1st ability it would have more of an impact when in a team. If her 2nd ability allowed us to better more consistently disarm people and supply a steady DPS it would solve the range issue Xaku has. Because you could go in steal their guns then get out to prime them for more dps with her 1 and 3 all while the stolen guns drop DPS on enemies. 

As Xaku is right now other frames do the job better. I would highly recommend that people don't spend the time farming for Xaku until the kit is reworked. Heminth abilities on other frames are way stronger than anything Xaku currently posses. Such as Marked for Death. 

[TheGodofWiFi]

2 hours ago, 0_The_F00l said:

They said in a stream that they plan to give it another power pass

What does that mean though? They're going to tweak his abilities to give them more range, less energy cost, buffing up Void damage so it actually means something outside of Sentient and Eidolon missions or rework some abilities altogether.

[Raijin]

1 minute ago, TheGodofWiFi said:

What does that mean though? Are they saying they're going to tweak his abilities to give them more range, less energy cost, buffing up Void damage so it actually means something outside of Sentient and Eidolon missions?

Xaku does not currently affect the Eidolon’s in any way. DE have confirmed this. Which means they would have to change the void dps itself which is unlikely.

[ChaoticEdge]

I think I already made a post but it seem that all this chaos pile up really made huge in thought of the players about the impression of the game.

Just now, Raijin said:

Xaku does not currently affect the Eidolon’s in any way. DE have confirmed this.

it is true by the dev themselves but dislike how they thinking but it wasn't that strong which I tried it using defy and the dmg is actually a gag type

[0_The_F00l]

Just now, TheGodofWiFi said:

What does that mean though? Are they saying they're going to tweak his abilities to give them more range, less energy cost, buffing up Void damage so it actually means something outside of Sentient and Eidolon missions?

No clue , could mean anything stat changes or mechanic changes.

[TheGodofWiFi]

On 2020-08-28 at 2:59 PM, Raijin said:

Xaku does not currently affect the Eidolon’s in any way. DE have confirmed this. Which means they would have to change the void dps itself which is unlikely.

I wasn't talking about Xaku specifically, I was talking about Void damage in general. Right now it is useless outside of Sentient and Eidolon hunts as it has nothing but negatives outside of that. No bonuses against the other factions at all.

If Xaku is ever going to be useful, DE will need to change the Void status effect so that it actually provides some kind of bonus to the other factions, one that is worth using over your standard build, since Xata's Whisper right now does nothing but lower your overall DPS.