Mental Health and Warframe

[Dravke]

Original post was making a connection between Xaku and PTSD, since deleted for the comfort of the author.

[Kaotyke]

....

I honestly dont know if this guy is serious or not.

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

1 minute ago, Kaotyke said:

....

I honestly dont know if this guy is serious or not.

Eh whether he's or not people Will always find something they can relate or connect to.

[Dravke]

Completely, atlthough your comment makes me think posting was probably a dumb move.

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

That being said i wonder how you got that from xaku since harrow is the one that was said to have PTSD

[Circle_of_Psi]

1 minute ago, (PS4)ITS_TH3GOD said:

That being said i wonder how you got that from xaku since harrow is the one that was said to have PTSD

Beats me..

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

10 minutes ago, Dravke said:

Whatever

Not making fun or trolling you in any way since PTSD is a real problem and i sincerely believe you putting it out there is a brave thing, im genuinely wondering, like what and how exactly you feel a connectiong with xaku and not harrow? Is it cause of his lore?(like he has different personality) or?

[Fl_3]

Sorry that you felt the need to remove your original post based on some thoughtless reply OP.

Some of us understand these things, others simply do not have the intelligence, or the patience.

As for Harrow, Rell doesn't suffer from PTSD as anyone who has played through Chains of Harrow can tell you.

Rell is Autistic. 

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

Yeah Valkyr is the one with the torment leading to what the lore calls "madness", not Harrow/Rell. 

Taken from the wiki:

Lore
Previously having thrived among the Tenno in her natural Gersemi form, Valkyr is known for her capture and subsequent torment at the hands of Alad V. The obsessed Corpus scientist brought Valkyr to his lab on Themisto, Jupiter where she was restrained and subjected to harsh experiments. This mad science would greatly expand the Corpus' knowledge of Warframe design, and consequentially left Valkyr maddened and scarred.

Ultimately, Valkyr was deconstructed and used to produce the Zanuka prototype, Alad V's companion fighting machine. However, blueprints of her components can still be found after defeating Alad V in combat.

Valkyr's abilities reflect her madness, accompanied by cries of anguish.

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

2 minutes ago, Fl_3 said:

Sorry that you felt the need to remove your original post based on some thoughtless reply OP.

Some of us understand these things, others simply do not have the intelligence, or the patience.

As for Harrow, Rell doesn't suffer from PTSD as anyone who has played through Chains of Harrow can tell you.

Rell is Autistic. 

Ohhh he's autistic? I apologize, had them both confused, since as far i thought PTSD is caused by a trauma and i thought they were both the same(played the quest, it just gave me that sort of feeling) so i thought he had PTSD instead. My msg in no way was meant as harm, i asked him that since to me, i wondered in all honestly cause harrow/reil is broken mentally(trauma imo) compared to xaku who's only broken physically.

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

1 minute ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Yeah Valkyr is the one with the torment leading to what the lore calls "madness", not Harrow/Rell. 

Taken from the wiki:

Lore
Previously having thrived among the Tenno in her natural Gersemi form, Valkyr is known for her capture and subsequent torment at the hands of Alad V. The obsessed Corpus scientist brought Valkyr to his lab on Themisto, Jupiter where she was restrained and subjected to harsh experiments. This mad science would greatly expand the Corpus' knowledge of Warframe design, and consequentially left Valkyr maddened and scarred.

Ultimately, Valkyr was deconstructed and used to produce the Zanuka prototype, Alad V's companion fighting machine. However, blueprints of her components can still be found after defeating Alad V in combat.

Valkyr's abilities reflect her madness, accompanied by cries of anguish.

Oh shoot, i totally forgot about valkyr,yea but valkyr is more on the anger side though...isnt she?compared to reil/harrow who's all about sacrificing

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

P.s just an FYI idk the first guy that answered nor do i agree with how he answered hence why i told him/her people can find something they connect with in anything.

[Dravke]

Maybe I overreacted by blanking the original post, looking back there have been some things said which are a credit to those who posted them. ...Today is not going to be my most productive day at work I can see, never mind... Few things to say. First off worth noting, I have done both clinical and research psychology as a day job. Autism is a congenital thing, with a physical basis - basically the inability to see / understand another person's point of view. Illustration: two people in a room with an autistic child. One produces and rattles a tube of smarties at the child, asks what they think is in there, get's the answer 'smarties'. The second adult leaves the room, the remaining adult reveals that the tube actually contains pencils, which he conceals within the tube again. Second adult comes back in, first asks the child if he rattles the tube and asks the second adult what's in there, what will they say? The autistic child will say 'pencils', and will not be able to get their head around the idea of the second adult answering 'smarties' (smarties are a common childrens' sweet in the UK, not sure if they're sold abroad BTW). Incidentally, you may have met autistic people in this game, or in another online game. I once spoke to a psychologist in another online game who used said game to help autistic children develop social coping strategies, as the limited expressiveness of avatars was less disturbing for her patients than people in real life. As for the Xaku PTSD connection, I'm not sure I can explain it (at least a way isn't coming to mind now), but I would be surprised if anyone with PTSD didn't get it. PTSD is more difficult to describe to someone without it, because it involves differences in views / perception which the 'normal' person isn't aware of, or maybe involves mutability in that which the normal person believes immutable - stuff inside your head that most people think is external... Anyway, in the interest of helping 'normal' people deal with people with any kind of mental health issue I would advise three things. Be nice, follow their lead with dealing with someone who has their problem, and most importantly *never* think that you understand - always bear in mind that you can never truly understand what their experience is like, because you haven't experienced it (like you can't understand what chocolate tastes like by reading about it, you have to eat it).

[Hokibukisa]

2 minutes ago, Dravke said:

Maybe I overreacted by blanking the original post, looking back there have been some things said which are a credit to those who posted them. ...Today is not going to be my most productive day at work I can see, never mind...

Few things to say. First off worth noting, I have done both clinical and research psychology as a day job. Autism is a congenital thing, with a physical basis - basically the inability to see / understand another person's point of view.

Illustration: two people in a room with an autistic child. One produces and rattles a tube of smarties at the child, asks what they think is in there, get's the answer 'smarties'.

The second adult leaves the room, the remaining adult reveals that the tube actually contains pencils, which he conceals within the tube again. Second adult comes back in, first asks the child if he rattles the tube and asks the second adult what's in there, what will they say?

The autistic child will say 'pencils', and will not be able to get their head around the idea of the second adult answering 'smarties' (smarties are a common childrens' sweet in the UK, not sure if they're sold abroad BTW). Incidentally, you may have met autistic people in this game, or in another online game.

I once spoke to a psychologist in another online game who used said game to help autistic children develop social coping strategies, as the limited expressiveness of avatars was less disturbing for her patients than people in real life.

As for the Xaku PTSD connection, I'm not sure I can explain it (at least a way isn't coming to mind now), but I would be surprised if anyone with PTSD didn't get it. PTSD is more difficult to describe to someone without it, because it involves differences in views / perception which the 'normal' person isn't aware of, or maybe involves mutability in that which the normal person believes immutable - stuff inside your head that most people think is external...

Anyway, in the interest of helping 'normal' people deal with people with any kind of mental health issue I would advise three things. Be nice, follow their lead with dealing with someone who has their problem, and most importantly *never* think that you understand - always bear in mind that you can never truly understand what their experience is like, because you haven't experienced it (like you can't understand what chocolate tastes like by reading about it, you have to eat it).

 

[Hokibukisa]

And yeah, nobody truly, fully understands someone else with a different wiring and chemistry.

Its cliche that teenagers say "you don't understand mom/dad!" but its actually true. Even having gone through it ourselves, because our brain wiring and chemistry has changed, we really can't understand anymore.

Another issue is the varying degrees of autism, ptsd, depression, etc.

Everyone has experienced trauma and depression to some degree, but those who have experienced very extreme versions can be offended when comparing trauma.

Lots of things are experienced differently by different people. I've heard of people committing sudoku for reasons that made no sense to me. So I know not to compare trauma or depression. Even the littlest things.

[Proscriptor]

WARFRAME IS BAD FOR UR BRANE

TOO MUCH VIDEO GAME MAKE DEMENTIA LATER IN LYF

[stormy505]

1 hour ago, (PS4)ITS_TH3GOD said:

Ohhh he's autistic? I apologize, had them both confused, since as far i thought PTSD is caused by a trauma and i thought they were both the same(played the quest, it just gave me that sort of feeling) so i thought he had PTSD instead. My msg in no way was meant as harm, i asked him that since to me, i wondered in all honestly cause harrow/reil is broken mentally(trauma imo) compared to xaku who's only broken physically.

Iirc he was outcasted by the other kids because he was autistic so he has trust Issues or something? It's been a hot minute since I've played that quest so I'm probably wrong. But it was something like that.

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

5 minutes ago, stormy505 said:

Iirc he was outcasted by the other kids because he was autistic so he has trust Issues or something? It's been a hot minute since I've played that quest so I'm probably wrong. But it was something like that.

Yea i think you got it right

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

47 minutes ago, Dravke said:

Maybe I overreacted by blanking the original post, looking back there have been some things said which are a credit to those who posted them. ...Today is not going to be my most productive day at work I can see, never mind... Few things to say. First off worth noting, I have done both clinical and research psychology as a day job. Autism is a congenital thing, with a physical basis - basically the inability to see / understand another person's point of view. Illustration: two people in a room with an autistic child. One produces and rattles a tube of smarties at the child, asks what they think is in there, get's the answer 'smarties'. The second adult leaves the room, the remaining adult reveals that the tube actually contains pencils, which he conceals within the tube again. Second adult comes back in, first asks the child if he rattles the tube and asks the second adult what's in there, what will they say? The autistic child will say 'pencils', and will not be able to get their head around the idea of the second adult answering 'smarties' (smarties are a common childrens' sweet in the UK, not sure if they're sold abroad BTW). Incidentally, you may have met autistic people in this game, or in another online game. I once spoke to a psychologist in another online game who used said game to help autistic children develop social coping strategies, as the limited expressiveness of avatars was less disturbing for her patients than people in real life. As for the Xaku PTSD connection, I'm not sure I can explain it (at least a way isn't coming to mind now), but I would be surprised if anyone with PTSD didn't get it. PTSD is more difficult to describe to someone without it, because it involves differences in views / perception which the 'normal' person isn't aware of, or maybe involves mutability in that which the normal person believes immutable - stuff inside your head that most people think is external... Anyway, in the interest of helping 'normal' people deal with people with any kind of mental health issue I would advise three things. Be nice, follow their lead with dealing with someone who has their problem, and most importantly *never* think that you understand - always bear in mind that you can never truly understand what their experience is like, because you haven't experienced it (like you can't understand what chocolate tastes like by reading about it, you have to eat it).

Personally I'd never make fun of anyone's situation since i dont know how they feel nor can i ever say "i understand" since it would be a lie cause i dont but yea i get the gist of what you mean.

[RazerXPrime]

I'm glad we're all psychological experts here. I was a little worried people are just throwing terms around without actually understanding their meaning and judging game characters from a few lines of text. I mean, that would be weird.

[kgabor]

I'm almost entirely sure Ordis is the one with PTSD.