What if all "ability allies" (like Nyx's Mind Control) had Garv's damage output?

[TARINunit9]

For those who haven't played the Deimos bounties yet, there's a bounty "help the Grineer survivors", a squad of Grineer made of one Lancer, one Trooper, one Eviscerator, and one Scorch (the sergeant named Garv). But when you reach them they're actually doing ok. So ok, that the bounty changes from "save the Grineer" to "win a kill count contest against the Grineer".

And you can't just slack off on this like you can in every other AI battle in the game. The Grineer can and will actually kill the Infested at a rate faster than lighting matches next to a glacier

This got me thinking, what if every Scorch I called to my side could actually pump out this much damage? What if the shadows from Nekros, the thralls from Revenant, and the Mind Control targets from Nyx were useful for more than just drawing agro?

Is that too much power creep? Would the forums change from "Maim Equinox steals all the kills" to "Nekros steals all the kills"?

[Rantear]

Isn't it because they're fighting the infested, the weakest faction of them all?
On steel path they can't seem to kill anything.

Gotta check the invasions....

[TARINunit9]

3 minutes ago, Rantear said:

Gotta check the invasions....

During Invasions, the Tenno-backed side has a -10 level penalty

[(XBOX)CaligulaTwily]

I'm guessing they're testing "power levels" before they make Liches a friendly crewmate on Railjacks.

[Rantear]

1 минуту назад, TARINunit9 сказал:

During Invasions, the Tenno-backed side has a -10 level penalty

Then it will be an even better test 😁

[Vyra]

It feels like DE hates some frames.

Nyx 1 and 3 are garbage compared to other frames CC.

Banshe can so little compared to most frames.

There is anway that question "why would i farm/play this frame when it will be easily outperformed by most other frames.

[(PSN)CommanderC2121]

5 minutes ago, Vyra said:

 

Banshe can so little compared to most frames.

Hooooold up, Banshee has the best damage buffing ability in the game called sonar, it can stack upon itself, has a huge range, a good augment and even highlights enemies on mini map. Her 3 is solid for CC, and 1 is a ok armor strip. Yea, her 4 sucks, but out of 4 abilities shes far from hated by DE or bad

[Vyra]

Just now, (PS4)CommanderC2121 said:

Hooooold up, Banshee has the best damage buffing ability in the game called sonar, it can stack upon itself, has a huge range, a good augment and even highlights enemies on mini map. Her 3 is solid for CC, and 1 is a ok armor strip. Yea, her 4 sucks, but out of 4 abilities shes far from hated by DE or bad

You depend on being solo or with a team protecting you.

I play many frames frames, and the rate i become downed when playing Banshee is like 15x higher than with other frames.

For example, playing the same content with Equinox feels like cheat mode compared to banshee...

Look at this:

Equinox, Saryn, Mirage, Protea, Trinity, Wisp Octavia, Titania: I go anywhere do anything with and without Team.

While Nyx, Ember and Banshee always depend on Team or being not seen or massive amounts of Energy.

I really love them but when sht gets real i sadly need to play specific frames because the mentioned girls cant handle that much...

(Rarely play male frames so i didn't list them here)

[(PSN)CommanderC2121]

3 minutes ago, Vyra said:

You depend on being solo or with a team protecting you.

I play many frames frames, and the rate i become downed when playing Banshee is like 15x higher than with other frames.

For example, playing the same content with Equinox feels like cheat mode compared to banshee...

Look at this:

Equinox, Saryn, Mirage, Protea, Trinity, Wisp Octavia, Titania: I go anywhere do anything with and without Team.

While Nyx, Ember and Banshee always depend on Team or being not seen or massive amounts of Energy.

I really love them but when sht gets real i sadly need to play specific frames because the mentioned girls cant handle that much...

(Rarely play male frames so i didn't list them here)

I play banshee solo a good bit. Usually running arcane energize + qt to survive lategame tho. She is the best image of “glass cannon” im my opinion however, and for her to gain a large for of survivability would be unbalanced for the damage she can output. 

[Alpheus]

45 minutes ago, Rantear said:

Isn't it because they're fighting the infested, the weakest faction of them all?
On steel path they can't seem to kill anything.

Gotta check the invasions....

It's absolutely this. Contrary to everything else, this mission gets progressively harder the lower the bounty level is. First time I did it on the tier-1 bounty the final score ended up being 100/93 or something, but when I do the Steel Path bounty I have no problems getting 100/6. They do basically zero damage to the heavy armored infested on SP.

[TARINunit9]

1 minute ago, Alpheus said:

It's absolutely this. Contrary to everything else, this mission gets progressively harder the lower the bounty level is. First time I did it on the tier-1 bounty the final score ended up being 100/93 or something, but when I do the Steel Path bounty I have no problems getting 100/6. They do basically zero damage to the heavy armored infested on SP.

Six kills is still six more kills than a normal Scorch could get

[Alpheus]

1 hour ago, TARINunit9 said:

Six kills is still six more kills than a normal Scorch could get

Kills that only counted toward them because they happened to get the killing blow on something you likely did 99% of the damage to and is getting tracked in the UI? I'm sure if we only looked at the killing blows Nekros's summons did instead of their overall damage it'd be impressive too.

[(PSN)robotwars7]

2 hours ago, TARINunit9 said:

This got me thinking, what if every Scorch I called to my side could actually pump out this much damage? What if the shadows from Nekros, the thralls from Revenant, and the Mind Control targets from Nyx were useful for more than just drawing agro?

then you'd have Ai playing the game for you: they get kills, they draw agro, what do you do? waltz casually towards each objective? not like anyone's going to stop you, right?

Garv appears to be a special case anyway: not only is his weapon naturally effective vs Infested, he also seems to be made to do WAY more damage than an actual Scorch. I've seen Scorches fight Infested in old Derelict missions and they still took a while to kill anything bigger than a Leaper. Garv will kill infested quickly if you let him, which is why I make sure to steal as many kills from him as possible.

 

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

10 hours ago, Vyra said:

 

Nyx 1 and 3 are garbage compared to other frames CC.

 

FINALLY! Someone else who recognizes how bad Chaos really is.

[TARINunit9]

12 hours ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

FINALLY! Someone else who recognizes how bad Chaos really is.

The reason it took so long is because Chaos used to be God Tier. This is coming from back in 2015, where THE meta was Frost/Nekros for Defense/Survival, Trinity for Energy Vampire, Mesa for obvious reasons, and Nyx to keep everyone from getting shot. It was really that good: everyone had a Nyx, and everyone loved their Nyx. Raids, Defense, Survival, Excavation, Nyx was a staple, and solely because of Chaos

It's taken five years, but it is being recognized that it just does not hold up