Universal Forma?

[Ethorin]

6 minutes ago, Berzerkules said:

What you consider fun is not the same as everyone for everyone else. Not being able to fit builds on weapons/frames is an annoying inconvenience to me

Show me the game where you can have one character have every viable build where there's more than one such build

6 minutes ago, Berzerkules said:

Again, what is interesting to you is not the same for me. 

So there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING you'd find more interesting? Also, of course, this WAS a response to "why are people against Universal Forma" sooooo...

7 minutes ago, Berzerkules said:

I separated them into 3 different categories that that require different quantities of D, V and - polarities. They can't all fit on the same frame. I've tried and it does not work. It's hard to fit even 2 of those 3 categories onto the same frame. 

I have a Trin P with an EV build, Blessing Build, and Solo Build on the same frame.

EV is max Range and Power(using Overextended is personal opinion), minimum Duration

Blessing is max Duration

Solo Build blends everything so I can make effective use of Link and Blessing's stacked DR and keep my energy up with EV.

It's NOT hard to make builds that share just enough polarities to make things work.

9 minutes ago, Berzerkules said:

When you're working with an Umbral mod and Primed mods capacity is limited.

Primed Mods make things MORE, not less, flexible in my experience. Using Umbral Mods is a sacrifice of flex for power and that should NOT change. Umbral Mods are strong enough that without that sacrifice there's 0 reason for anyone who likes power to NOT use Umbral Mods and mandatory mods are bad. If you want Universal Forma so you can forma something five times to fit Umbral Mods and do whatever you want with that frame I'm going to object because at that point that becomes a mandatory meta that DE either designs around or trivializes all content from that point forward.

9 minutes ago, Symb10nt said:

But you are only thinking in the here and now. This would allow DE to create Augments that could change an ability completly. Frost 4 could have and augment made to make it a channeled ability like Maim on Equinox. Which would need duration and Eff and range instead of Range and Power

...Resonating Quake EXISTS. This is already a thing they COULD do if they wanted to. I could probably even fit a build for it into my current Frost pretty easily. Universal Forma would not suddenly unlock some special code in the game that was previously locked that barred them from changing up how abilities work.

[Symb10nt]

7 minutes ago, Ethorin said:

primed Mods make things MORE, not less, flexible in my experience. Using Umbral Mods is a sacrifice of flex for power and that should NOT change. Umbral Mods are strong enough that without that sacrifice there's 0 reason for anyone who likes power to NOT use Umbral Mods and mandatory mods are bad. If you want Universal Forma so you can forma something five times to fit Umbral Mods and do whatever you want with that frame I'm going to object because at that point that becomes a mandatory meta that DE either designs around or trivializes all content from that point forward.

 

How is putting mods on a warframe content? not everyone has the time to or wants to meticulously plan out ever single warframe they get. And it would be easier for new players to learn. There is already "mandatory meta's" for higher level content anyway. Try doing a 5x3 tridolon without any of the meta frames for it or operator amps or Focus schools. So you dont like mandatory meta's when its come to easier modding but thats ok. You cant avoid Meta's in these types of games but you make getting to the meta easier or buffing everything untill its meta but that still just creates more meta.

[Ethorin]

4 minutes ago, Symb10nt said:

How is putting mods on a warframe content? not everyone has the time to or wants to meticulously plan out ever single warframe they get. And it would be easier for new players to learn. There is already "mandatory meta's" for higher level content anyway. Try doing a 5x3 tridolon without any of the meta frames for it or operator amps or Focus schools. So you dont like mandatory meta's when its come to easier modding but thats ok. You cant avoid Meta's in these types of games but you make getting to the meta easier or buffing everything untill its meta but that still just creates more meta.

...This isn't Tridolon Meta, having a Meta for A Task is fine. What's not fine is having One Meta for EVERYTHING. For example, Bullet Jumping currently exists because for a long time there were only TWO melee weapons that anyone used because those were the two that enabled Coptering. Most large nerfs to things happen because things are becoming the only thing used.

7 minutes ago, Symb10nt said:

not everyone has the time to or wants to meticulously plan out ever single warframe they get

The only reason you'd need to do this is if you wanted to do a bunch of very precise builds. As in, if you needed three different builds that all hit different precise breakpoints and no higher or lower on different stats. Otherwise you just look at what you need to do and forma the shared polarities. It's not hard. Also, you'd hardly be doing it on every single frame you get.

10 minutes ago, Symb10nt said:

You cant avoid Meta's in these types of games but you make getting to the meta easier or buffing everything untill its meta but that still just creates more meta.

Warframe is actually VERY good about avoiding mandatory meta's. For an example,

10 minutes ago, Symb10nt said:

Try doing a 5x3 tridolon without any of the meta frames for it

You can swap Harrow out for either the anti-mag Arcane or Oberon, Oberon can also replace Trinity for Lure survival and a Mirage with an Electric Ephemera properly colored can sub in for Vex Armor Chroma. Titania can also serve as the damage source and so can Piercing Navigator Ivara. Volt is the least swappable but there's plenty of frame swapping you can do.For that matter, Amesha can Warding Grace to block status on friends so you can even bring in an Archwing to swap for a frame if you wanna. Nezha with his Halo augment can also sub in. Sure, the Meta is the easiest way, but you CAN do it with other Frames.

14 minutes ago, Symb10nt said:

operator amps or Focus schools.

There aren't that many of either of these, especially Focus Schools but even Amps don't exactly have all that many options for effectiveness even in normal play.

[Berzerkules]

2 hours ago, Ethorin said:

Mirage with an Electric Ephemera properly colored can sub in for Vex Armor Chroma.

This was patched out in like January. 

Since you keep saying that if you build properly and use forma wisely you can fit multiple different builds an a frame if you know what you're doing. You've asked me to come up with 4 builds on a frame. I came up with like 13.

I'd like you to build a meta ~300% strength / ~200% Duration Wisp build that can also fit my breach surge Wisp build using Rolling Guard, Streamline, Vigilante pursuit, Stretch, Primed Continuity, Umbral Intensify,  Primed Flow, Natural talent and Brief Respite. 

That's just fitting 2 builds on the same frame. Good luck.

http://warframe-builder.com/Warframes

[nerfinator6]

5 hours ago, Marine027 said:

Build two frames. Forma is not as hard ot get anymore as it used to be if people are really so desperate that they need so many builds.

If any, Equinox itself should have such as unique frame due two frames in one basically but not in general.

If you play a frame you might usually play it always the same, if you want a change you forma it, if you want both, build 2 frames and forma those individual.

no

[Ethorin]

...You literally just forma the non-Naramon stuff and possibly use an Umbral Forma if you absolutely insist on Umbral Intensify(not sure why you would but w/e), if you do use an Umbral Forma the Umbral Intesify should fit just fine into the ~300% str/~200% duration build, the Vazarin's give you duration and the Madurai from P Cont gives you Blind Rage. Augur Secrets and Message exist so you can probably get away with two Naramon Polarities, Primed Flow is never bad so you can prolly just keep that so that's another Naramon Polarity...

You know, I'm 95% sure that if I was willing to bother with the clunk of Warframe Builder I could do it in an afternoon. I'll see if I'm willing to bother in the morning.

Good night.

[(XBOX)ShadowBlood89]

5 hours ago, Symb10nt said:

i had this idea

so have many other players an DE already said it was pointless when they were asked as its too much of a power creep an ruins the need to actually plan out your builds

[Zentun.]

5 hours ago, Ethorin said:

have an Ivara P right now with 0 Forma and three different builds, one for Infiltrate, one for Concentrated Arrow, and a range boosting build for Conservation.

 

My Equinox Prime only needs 2 forma for me to have both Room Nuke and Peaceful Provocation.

So, if something is not useful for you that means it wont be useful for someone else? so you speak for the whole community? Speak for yourself, there is alot of players with many builds for the same warframe, some people like to change play style time to time, some people dont want to be locked in the same build forever like you. Again, speak for yourself you dont represent the whole community.

[Nurmetya]

I'd prefer it if DE would just seperate A,B and C from each other less need to build another frame unless you want to and each letter would be its own thing, just need more forma per frame which wouldn't be too unreasonable.

[Symb10nt]

4 hours ago, (XB1)ShadowBlood89 said:

so have many other players an DE already said it was pointless when they were asked as its too much of a power creep an ruins the need to actually plan out your builds

thats is a lie they tell to keep people buying forma packs

[Tonin4ABonin]

11 hours ago, Berzerkules said:

Just because you wouldn't use and don't need universal forma does not mean that others would not appreciate the QoL improvement. 

We already have a universal forma for aura slots so it's not unprecedented.

I put aura forma on every single prime frame and all of th non-primes I play regularly. I also add about 3-4 regular forma. There are several frames that I have duplicates for because I can't work around mismatching polarities. We have the option to buy up to 3 extra config slots on frames but we can't fully utilize them since all configs share the same polarities. I would gladly pay the 50p price of aura forma for a universal forma. 

DE would make money and players would be happy. It's a win win situation. I don't know how anyone could be against the idea. 

I'd gladly pay 50p for that in a heartbeat. Some build diversity actually cannot fit it without slotting in2-3 more forma, and becomes a major hassle to deal with. I'd even wager I'd pay 100p just to save the time, cause some builds can actually be that tight as well, especially if you want to umbra build without using umbra forma(Since we don't have a great source of that right now)

[Tiltskillet]

12 hours ago, Symb10nt said:

So i had this idea and it may sound broken but hear me out.

I think everybody has had this idea.  And most of us probably thought it was original too--I know I did. 😉

But credit where credit is due: I doubt there have been many who thought to propose the idea in a cool blue typeface. 

I'll just say what I always do now:  it'll happen eventually.  But it won't make regular forma obsolete.  If it's cheap, it won't be easy; and if it's easy, it won't be cheap.  If you want an idea of what it will involve, look at what the current  alternative demands:  buying a slot, building a duplicate frame, putting in a reactor, and forma-ing the hell out of it.  It'll be something comparable to that.  If it's not expensive, it will be rare and/or time limited, like umbra forma are currently.

On the other hand...I'm wrong a lot.  🙂

[Amazing_Miggles]

It sounds like something that could be on Nightwave. Like Umbral Forma, not an absolute necessity but affords flexibility in the rest of the loadout. 

[(PSN)Wolfsherrscher]

Better to have it and not need it than the other way around. I say to DE let's put it in the game. - but acquisition has to be fair (late game) after all - the newbie players have to learn how to be smart when modding and polarizing. So yea an Aura forma equivalent I'd say.