Conservation and Mining Suggestions

[FourthEchelon]

I Know there has been a lot of commotions about Conservation in Deimos and Mining. Personally i'm not writing this post to debate its good or bad. Although i would point out one oblivious fact, Given deimos's already red ambience, has made conservation a bit harder compared to PoE and Orb Vallis. 

Changes I would like to suggest to conservation 

1. Call Point Areas :  Instead of having to follow/track a trail from Point A to point B, It would be better to Have a General call areas. Like lets say a marked area in "The Abscess" (whic you can find by sounding the respective echo lure , In this case lets take a vulpaphyla ). So lets say vulpahyla is fairly common in this area, with a bit of searching we can easily find it and capture it with maybe a optional cooldown or limits on spawn to prevent over farming. This also allows the player to know where to look for the animals instead of having to pray to the god about finding it before it find you and flees or just can never be found (**Looking at you Avichae**)
2. Species Rarity : Different  rarity of the species can be found in different cycles. Again taking vulpaphyla as a example, lets say Sly Vulpaphyla (common) is found in the callpoint areas during FASS (longer cycle) and Crescent Vulpaphyla (uncommon) during the Vome (shorter cycle). This allows players to plan timings for the hunts. Further for the rarer version the Panzer Vulpaphyla will still need the Pheromone to attract them and on specific timesets as well (for eg, only can be attracted during the fass/vome cycle changes with a 10min toleration before and after the actual cycle) .
3. Tranq Rifle : Similar to Cephalon SImaris's scanner having widget upgrades, i Suggest widget upgrades for the Tranq Rifle as well. First thing tho, The vanilla tranq rifle needs a colour change for Deimos. the orange hue doesnt go well along with the already Red ambience in the cambion drift . Upgrades such as increase mag size , In built echo/sound locator or marker, more potent tranq ammo (lesser shots reqd for certain species which need more than 1 shot) will be good .

I know witht these ideas there are obvious Pro's And Con's . I'll Keep updating this pro-con list as we keep going
PROS

1. More immersive and lesser hectic than the current mechanics
2. Planning and co ordinating with friends is much easier.
3. No more having to bleed eyes Tracking the footprints (idk if its only High graphics option issue given there are plenty of grasses masking the footprints)

CONS 

1. Changes are huge
2. TImes may not be suitable for everyone given sometimes you have to wait for an entire cycle for the next hunt (assuming its FASS and you need something from VOME), and if u forget that, there goes another cycle

Changes I would like to suggest to Mining

More like a overhaul to make it lesser boring than the current one

1. Mining scanner overhaul : Instea od having our current Mining cutters , we can rather have a scanner which shows the values of ores under us. , so different areas of map have diff ore/gem values, and are unique to each session, so there are no defenite mining hotpsots. So, For example imagine when i run the scanner in a particular point it shows how rich that spot is ( eg. 25% ores 10% gems and 65% rock) . Now for themining aspect , Similar to the current Tier 3 bounty in cambian drift, where its endless excavators defnece, we can call in our own Excavator at that point and we have to defend the excavator for a fixed amount of time, and enemy difficulty may scale with more excavotrs. So basically it mines out oresfor us in the same Ratio of what we scanned for (Imagining out 100, we'd get 25 ores and 10 gems, and rarity of them can again depend on the deposit type. 
   I'm basing off this idea from a old game i used to play about 6 years ago . Heres a video depicting what im trying to say, if my description isnt as clear as i think it is (sry, english isnt my first language) 
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgkXHXiHrIs  (Watch from 1:30)

Pros

1. More immersive and enjoyable than the current system.
2. Get to kills mobs outside of bounties which allows passive farming of other node-related resources as well
3. Allows you to hunt for the specific ores/gems with relative ease rather than just dependng on RNG
4. Multiple people can explore quickly to find deposits Which is needed by everyone the most. Like Thaumica, Everyone scans around till we find a spot with a good% of thaumica.

Cons

1. No more Passive mining, which may not be liked by people who just prefer going in solo and mine peacefully.
2. Huge changes compared to whats present already

Also im a fairly new Forums user, And english isnt my first language, So kindly point me in the right direction in case of errors. Open to criticism always and i'll happily edit post if we get better ideas or suggestions from Others and will give due credits . 

[krc473]

4 minutes ago, FourthEchelon said:

Although i would point out one oblivious fact, Given deimos's already red ambience, has made conservation a bit harder compared to PoE and Orb Vallis. 

It’s so obvious that DE has already acknowledged the issues and suggested what they are working on to fix it.

 

Point one sounds good. I am not sure about point 2 - we can already just fly around and find the animals we want at set phases without having to track them.

6 minutes ago, FourthEchelon said:

No more Passive mining, which may not be liked by people who just prefer going in solo and mine peacefully.

Personally, I am not sure what “passive mining” is in WF (I would think the excavator drones). That suggests we are placing an excavator and leaving it to run. We have an active system for mining - the laser is “active” as we have to manually find, and collect each material.

 

I am not sure about the mining suggestion. How good it would be is fairly dependent on how it would be implemented.

[DePotate]

ngl, Tranq Rifle widgets would be sweet 🙂

[FourthEchelon]

21 minutes ago, krc473 said:

Personally, I am not sure what “passive mining” is in WF (I would think the excavator drones). That suggests we are placing an excavator and leaving it to run. We have an active system for mining - the laser is “active” as we have to manually find, and collect each material.

I am not sure about the mining suggestion. How good it would be is fairly dependent on how it would be implemented.

By passive, i meant the fact that no combat is involved, my intention was to tell how some people prefer having to mine in peace and quiet rather than the excavator method i suggested about.

About implementation, im fairly conofident we will be able to come up with something that isnt op or too hectic . 

21 minutes ago, krc473 said:

It’s so obvious that DE has already acknowledged the issues and suggested what they are working on to fix it.

Point one sounds good. I am not sure about point 2 - we can already just fly around and find the animals we want at set phases without having to track them.

 

Yeah i heard about the fix, Just wanted to put it there again anyway.
True, Thinking backwards yes, point 2 may need some changes, as you said it would become trivial just having to fly around at set phases to Capture those specific rarities, Maybe the same way as the current echo lures functions, we do have to still use the lure to make Them spawn. so just flying wouldnt help you. 
*Or something cruel like, rarer ones don'tspawn when you're in AW* xD

[krc473]

8 minutes ago, FourthEchelon said:

True, Thinking backwards yes, point 2 may need some changes, as you said it would become trivial just having to fly around at set phases to Capture those specific rarities,

As of right now, this is how it works. I am not sure how many people would approve of that being taken away in favour of forcing us to use tracking. 

11 minutes ago, FourthEchelon said:

About implementation, im fairly conofident we will be able to come up with something that isnt op or too hectic . 

It is more about how DE would implement the system. We can come up with whatever we like, but DE would have to accept and implement it.

[WindKitsune]

I'm one of the people who like going solo and farming peacefully. As with everything else, why not make it an option? If people want to put down excavators, they can. If we want to mine peacefully with our drills, we can. Maybe we could buy excavators for faster mining/higher output of resources?

[XTREM1ST_61]

Indeed a topic to point on and highlight, bugs are piling up. Passive farming needs to be up and it would be helpful to see tranq widgets coming up ;) 

[Eclipse_Flash]

The mining one is really interesting, but I would rather prefer it to be regular mining because once almost everyone is done with Cambion Drift, hardly anyone will go into to large groups and mine. I would rather have DE fix mining on the drift since the 25% of the veins cant be mined because they are either through objects, walls or those spore thingy. Though the excavator thing could be optional.