I think we've had enough of "Community inspired" Warframes.

[(PSN)Hopper_Orouk]

When it works, it's Amazing, nova, Zephyr(eh!), nidus, chroma, all around great Warframes that were actually inspired by talented players!

But DE has been completely out of touch with the players lately, and Xaku is a prime example of that.

Xaku is a garbage warframe, i'm sorry if that short review is a bit harsh, but "they" are

And i'm not talking about ability effectiveness, i'm talking about style.

All of its abilities are bland mosh pit of recycled ideas, that are presumably "from the community"

Buff Xaku a thousand times, it still won't fix how bland his abilities are, it's too late for that.

I don't think this Warframe is community based, i don't believe so, these are not Player ideas, these are recycled DE idea designs from other Warframes

So i would much rather prefer if the mods or DE close the fan concept tab already, forever,  as nobody goes there, nobody cares and definitely these actual ideas from the players, won't get used, ever

[Jim22]

I thought xaku and nova were the only community inspired frames. 

[DrBorris]

6 minutes ago, (PS4)Hopper_Orouk said:

I don't think this Warframe is community based, i don't believe so, these are not Player ideas, these are recycled DE idea designs from other Warframes

I went through the suggestion thread a couple days ago to check this for myself, I regret to inform you that they are unfortunately community ideas. For some reason the trend was Void abilities for the Broken frame. Like... there were significantly more "void" abilities than "broken" abilities, it is hard to blame DE for taking Xaku down that path given the suggestions.

This does not excuse DE of picking random abilities that have no running theme, nor does it excuse them for balancing the numbers so poorly on release. We can't say that DE did not listen to us though, this community came up with Xaku for better and for worse.

[AndouRaiton]

Just now, Jim22 said:

I thought xaku and nova were the only community inspired frames. 

They are the 2 Offical community inspired warfames, the others listed took inspiration from some individual fan concepts. A perfect example is Grendel who was based on Oni the Gluttonus for the whole 'eat enemies' idea but they did something different with it to create Grendel

[lukasystem]

I mean, the concept is good but:

• Void damage not-applied to Eidolon shield phase.... that's the worst, not only it would help build variety thru' farming/subsuming Xaku and Helminth, but also make a rather insufferable convoluted content somewhat funnier, it's been a long time already, and since they ditched Acolyte mods to HoD, might as well make arcanes more accesible. Sure it would impact both arcane prices and operator purpose but, let's be honest, it's one of the most unhealthy content of all (i did like 60 tridolons and then just ran Scarlet Spear).
• Second ability is the ugly version of Protea's turrets.... basically.
• Void damage status completely nullifies head-shot mechanics.
• Third ability is basically Seeking shuriken/psychic bolts AoE, the other two are beyond pathetic, at least combine all three to make a "void beam that leaves an area of void energy on hit, confusing enemies and reducing their defenses"???
• Fourth ability is fine, except for the unnecessary duration and/or initial energy/draining cost.

It's purpose is clear: render sentients useless, but even then after Gaze. the rest of the abilities feel like

 

[Marine027]

What i not like is how it hurts Lore, since they have to come up with one especially with Leviran now for such frames, making things more complicated as they are already.

They not even can keep there own frames stable in that regard.

DE by now is desperate because every big update needs a frame by now i guess. Looking at Baruuk, Garuda, Hildryn here, no lore and just slapped on some factions or drops.

[Drasiel]

nova and xaku are the only community created frames utilizing the design council. Other frames are inspired by but not voted on by players.

That said I don't think there is much wrong with xaku that some numerical tweaks wouldn't fix.

[Ace-Bounty-Hunter]

3 minutes ago, Drasiel said:

nova and xaku are the only community created frames utilizing the design council. Other frames are inspired by but not voted on by players.

That said I don't think there is much wrong with xaku that some numerical tweaks wouldn't fix.

No. Frames like Gauss and Protea only needed some numerical tweaks. Xaku needs to be disassembled and rebuilt from the ground up.

[(PSN)Hopper_Orouk]

9 minutes ago, Drasiel said:

nova and xaku are the only community created frames utilizing the design council. Other frames are inspired by but not voted on by players.

That said I don't think there is much wrong with xaku that some numerical tweaks wouldn't fix.

I don't think that's true, Zephyr wasn't just "inspired" by an artist, they literally took some of its abilities, the names, the theme and pretty much everything

It had nothing to do with the design council, but it was taken from a fan, made by a fan, so there are more community inspired warframes than nova and xaku

[Constalation]

The main issue with Xaku right now is that Void damage has a -50% output on armour. AKA, grineer take half damage iirc. Which is just aweful. Why does void damage get a flat reduction + armour reduction when facing grineer? Just remove the void damage having any bonus/negative against enemies please.

[-Lewis]

Community: Starts complaining about how bad xaku is:
DE:
 

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

The game isn't just for you. You're not gonna like some things and you're gonna have to get over that. 

You're one person with 1 flawed opinion that largely doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. 

[(PSN)Kakurine2]

My opinion after 4 forma and actually played it.  Conceptually it's ok but the abilities scale poorly.   More damage for the alt and self buff.

More reach for the gun steal ability.

Third abilities i still have to figure out.

Visually i like the design for the most part.  I know de officially is calling the frame nonbinary and thus sexless. But the frame looks mainly female to me. So i shall refer to it as her and she.

[trst]

And what exactly makes their abilities bland? Just saying they are without explaining how isn't helpful.

They're also thoroughly community based even down to their appearance coming from community artists and tennogen artists.

And the only thing holding them back balance wise is how meaningless Void damage is which is an issue that has held operators back. Give Void damage the buff it has needed and boom the only issue remaining with Xaku is having some utility focused abilities while nukes are so overpowered, an issue that plagues most of the frames we have.

[bibmobello]

I still don't understand why mesa can't fly.

[(PSN)PheonixFontaine]

I think I have to say that generally the community will regurgitate things and many good ideas come from it, but not many great ones do. In this case we saw "broken frame, lol" and "For the void" sorta elements just put on repeat and drowning out some of those unique ideas people didn't see. People don't sift through the noise very much in these cases and I feel like if given the right visibility, some of them would have won out. Some of those definitely felt more original in concept I think.

I have the same criticism about the Cephalon joke contest. I have nothing against most of the submitted jokes, nor generally anything against most of it's users. (A few of those "jokes" crossed lines.) The sheer amount of argon "Are Gone" jokes is absolutely horrendous and not a single one should have won, based on the fact that the joke appears in-game already. I know it's on Tipedo Prime's description and I don't know how many other places it appears.

I think there's a distinct lack of refinement on this idea is what detracts from it. There's an amalgam of various things, but they all feel disjointed. It needs more cohesion to work, just a little more "umph" to pull it together better, though it's hard to say what that would be. This isn't a case of "You polished a turd, it's still a turd", but definitely more a "This gem just needs more polish." More to do with the 3 warframes tied together element would probably be where I'd look.

[(PSN)Hopper_Orouk]

54 minutes ago, (PS4)Madurai-Prime said:

The game isn't just for you. You're not gonna like some things and you're gonna have to get over that. 

You're one person with 1 flawed opinion that largely doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. 

So you're saying that you like xaku? Or you're ok with whatever recycled toys DE throws at us like kids who can't tell any better?

[(PSN)thowed]

51 minutes ago, (PS4)Madurai-Prime said:

The game isn't just for you. You're not gonna like some things and you're gonna have to get over that. 

You're one person with 1 flawed opinion that largely doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. 

I agree with him and your opinion is flawed.  Take your "wit" elsewhere, you just hopped on these forums and feel the need to spew this kinda trash in every topic.  Seen people like you come and go.  Since we get to tell people who the game is not for then get out, it's not for you.  I won't see any more responses from you if you catch my drift.

[(PSN)Hopper_Orouk]

1 hour ago, trst said:

And what exactly makes their abilities bland? Just saying they are without explaining how isn't helpful.

They're also thoroughly community based even down to their appearance coming from community artists and tennogen artists.

And the only thing holding them back balance wise is how meaningless Void damage is which is an issue that has held operators back. Give Void damage the buff it has needed and boom the only issue remaining with Xaku is having some utility focused abilities while nukes are so overpowered, an issue that plagues most of the frames we have.

I'm not saying i will hate xaku, he might be amazing after the buffs, and i'm 100% certain they will buff them

I'm just sad that the kit has no style, the lost is basically recycled animations and descriptions from old abilities like enthrall...Vast untime is basically a recycled version of effigy, ....like sure, i wanted to have a copycat warframe , but either directly state that it's a warframe that can copy other powers, or don't just use old animations and gameplay that we've seen

For example, one of the good suggestions i've seen, is to let enemies stuck by clipping then into the ground

Or lowering their current level, weakening them...but instead we get an armor and shield strip...haven't we've seen enough of that already?

[(PSN)Hopper_Orouk]

12 minutes ago, (PS4)thowed said:

I agree with him and your opinion is flawed.  Take your "wit" elsewhere, you just hopped on these forums and feel the need to spew this kinda trash in every topic.  Seen people like you come and go.  Since we get to tell people who the game is not for then get out, it's not for you.  I won't see any more responses from you if you catch my drift.

I'm a bit confused with this Comment, are you talking to me or to the person you quoted?

[AzureTerra]

Have we? You may have but thankfully your not the rep in charge of planning so hopefully we'll get more in the future (there were some good idea's but this one was chosen for whatever reason by the majority)

Now i don't have the frame in question but i don't buy the whole OMG its useless angle that i have seen, in a vacuum it might be less useful than other frames at some things but we have a great array of options to counter any shortfalls a frame might have in whats powers do vs any given foe. People were likely expecting the next big thing in Metashift and are now have to wait a bit more and nothing makes the herd bray like having to wait for more cheese.

[trst]

4 minutes ago, (PS4)Hopper_Orouk said:

I'm not saying i will hate xaku, he might be amazing after the buffs, and i'm 100% certain they will buff them

I'm just sad that the kit has no style, the lost is basically recycled animations and descriptions from old abilities like enthrall...Vast untime is basically a recycled version of effigy, ....like sure, i wanted to have a copycat warframe , but either directly state that it's a warframe that can copy other powers, or don't just use old animations and gameplay that we've seen

For example, one of the good suggestions i've seen, is to let enemies stuck by clipping then into the ground

Or lowering their current level, weakening them...but instead we get an armor and shield strip...haven't we've seen enough of that already?

At that point none of the frames we have are very unique as they all have similarities with other frames. Enthrall is similar to Mind Control and Chaos and the Effigy similarity is only in aesthetics as Chroma debuffs himself while Xaku gains a buff while debuffing enemies. Most of the differences are in effect combinations and appearances.

And while those ability suggestions would be unique in appearance and effect they would be functionally similar to anything that stuns enemies and any debuff. While their current kit has Grasp as their most unique and the combinations of effects for everything else are pretty unique as well.

[Vyra]

I still wait for Freeform frame, put any skin on any frame and any ability. A dream.

 

[JackHargreav]

2 hours ago, (PS4)Hopper_Orouk said:

Xaku is a garbage warframe, i'm sorry if that short review is a bit harsh, but "they" are

And i'm not talking about ability effectiveness, i'm talking about style.

All of its abilities are bland mosh pit of recycled ideas, that are presumably "from the community

Well like it or not this frames abilities' and it's theme were voted on by the community. Which shows that most of the players have no good ideas.

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

1 hour ago, (PS4)Hopper_Orouk said:

So you're saying that you like xaku? Or you're ok with whatever recycled toys DE throws at us like kids who can't tell any better?

Yep, I do think it's cool. Sorry I can't join your negative echo-chamber hivemind. I'll put 6 forma in Xaku just for you guys lol.