Is mausolon the new king of hybrid heavy machine guns for archwing

[warmastercain]

While the only other 2 we have are either crit focused or pure status the mausolon boasts 168 damage 120 on the impact and a 48 heat aoe with 30% cc 2.2x crit mult and 26% status chance with a 300 round mag and a decent manageable fire rate of 8.33 but its kicker is the hilariously strong 4k base damage alt fire 1k on impact with a 3000 damage 6 meter aoe heat explosion that's a charge and holdable before any mods added it blows imperator vandal and phaedra out of the water in every way shape and form so is it replacing the old outdated weapons personally yes

[Drachnyn]

Mausolon is what archguns should be imo. Looks amazing, giant gun, great to use and does quite a bit of damage. It definitely is my favorite archgun and I absolutely rushed the entire necramach just to get the mausolon.

[warmastercain]

11 minutes ago, Drachnyn said:

Mausolon is what archguns should be imo. Looks amazing, giant gun, great to use and does quite a bit of damage. It definitely is my favorite archgun and I absolutely rushed the entire necramach just to get the mausolon.

Same here

[Yakhul]

The mausolon is an amazing archgun. I can only think of 2 other archguns that are as good as this one: imperator vandal and the velocitus.

[Nailclipper]

For space combat where you need to kill a lot of trash mobs, Kuva Ayanga is easier to use for me. Kuva Ayanga's main damage comes from the projectile explosion while the projectiles impact themselves do most of the damage on Mausolon. Ayanga's projectile explosion also has far bigger 9m radius, compared to Mausolon's only 1.8m.

For bosses like Jordas Golem (SP) I haven't compared the two.

[lukinu_u]

It definitely is for ground, but for archwings and railjack it's not because of the lack of slash.
With the Empyrean damage system, Plasma and Particle (Puncture and Slash respectively) decrease shield/armor and increase damage taken by the target for each subsequent status, so you always want both.

If you take a closer look at how Particle status works (which is the one missing here) each status add +7.5% damage, multiplicative for each stack and stack indefinitely.
At 10 stacks you get 1.075^10=2.06x damages, at 20 stacks you get 1.075^20=2.06x damges, 4.24x damages and you roughly double this value for each 10 stacks, which can be really fast with high fire rate and status.

So, even with the insane stats it got, it's still much weaker than Cyngas or Phaedra to kill tanky archwings/railjack targets.

[0_The_F00l]

Mausolon is THE ARCHGUN on ground missions.

I feel its a little bugged? i think its doing more damage than intended , or i am just used to doing lesser damage with other arch guns.

The closest i think is the ayanga and then the imperator V which come to the "heavy gun" feel (maybe velocitus?),

 

The lack of slash might be an issue in railjack / archwing missions but the overall damage can manage to keep up.

[0_The_F00l]

stupid quote and edit confusion is gonna case issues for a few days.

[warmastercain]

31 minutes ago, lukinu_u said:

It definitely is for ground, but for archwings and railjack it's not because of the lack of slash.
With the Empyrean damage system, Plasma and Particle (Puncture and Slash respectively) decrease shield/armor and increase damage taken by the target for each subsequent status, so you always want both.

If you take a closer look at how Particle status works (which is the one missing here) each status add +7.5% damage, multiplicative for each stack and stack indefinitely.
At 10 stacks you get 1.075^10=2.06x damages, at 20 stacks you get 1.075^20=2.06x damges, 4.24x damages and you roughly double this value for each 10 stacks, which can be really fast with high fire rate and status.

So, even with the insane stats it got, it's still much weaker than Cyngas or Phaedra to kill tanky archwings/railjack targets.

True but still high crit and good status and base heat so radiation and cold come in handy I'm melting veil proxima crew ships with it while not running my ammo down really fast

[taiiat]

1 hour ago, lukinu_u said:

It definitely is for ground, but for archwings and railjack it's not because of the lack of slash.
With the Empyrean damage system, Plasma and Particle (Puncture and Slash respectively) decrease shield/armor and increase damage taken by the target for each subsequent status, so you always want both.

while certainly true, Enemies got nerfed a lot plus the DR applied to Archguns reduced, so there is less of a need to stack Puncture and Slash Status as much as possible over all else as in the past in Railjack.
having some certainly won't hurt, but you should be able to deal useful Damage without it.

45 minutes ago, 0_The_F00l said:

(maybe velocitus?),

are you telling me that a Railgun the size of a small Car that could delete small Planets doesn't fit what you're looking for? haha

[0_The_F00l]

4 minutes ago, taiiat said:

are you telling me that a Railgun the size of a small Car that could delete small Planets doesn't fit what you're looking for? haha

Maybe

[Firedtm]

2 hours ago, Drachnyn said:

Mausolon is what archguns should be imo. Looks amazing, giant gun, great to use and does quite a bit of damage. It definitely is my favorite archgun and I absolutely rushed the entire necramach just to get the mausolon.

All the archwing weapons should be like it.

[warmastercain]

On 2020-09-02 at 2:34 PM, Firedtm said:

All the archwing weapons should be like it.

Only sad thing with nezha prime's riven disposition changes including arch gun mausolon will permanently be 0.5 because everyone will use it for its extremely heavy damage on its primary and alt fire after 5 super quick kills to unlock the 8 meter mob nuke railgun blast

[HoustonDragon]

On 2020-09-02 at 11:55 AM, Nailclipper said:

For space combat where you need to kill a lot of trash mobs, Kuva Ayanga is easier to use for me. Kuva Ayanga's main damage comes from the projectile explosion while the projectiles impact themselves do most of the damage on Mausolon. Ayanga's projectile explosion also has far bigger 9m radius, compared to Mausolon's only 1.8m.

For bosses like Jordas Golem (SP) I haven't compared the two.

I prefer the Ayanga too. Mausolon had more aiming issues, and while the alt fire blast is nice, the reload for it takes too long.

[kwlingo]

1 hour ago, warmastercain said:

Only sad thing with nezha prime's riven disposition changes

[Hardwood]

Mausolon is the most fun I've had in Warframe since the Soma Prime was released.

[spirit_of_76]

On 2020-09-02 at 10:34 AM, warmastercain said:

While the only other 2 we have are either crit focused or pure status the mausolon boasts 168 damage 120 on the impact and a 48 heat aoe with 30% cc 2.2x crit mult and 26% status chance with a 300 round mag and a decent manageable fire rate of 8.33 but its kicker is the hilariously strong 4k base damage alt fire 1k on impact with a 3000 damage 6 meter aoe heat explosion that's a charge and holdable before any mods added it blows imperator vandal and phaedra out of the water in every way shape and form so is it replacing the old outdated weapons personally yes

one issue the mualson is not an HMG but falls into the same class as the gratler and the kuva aynga it is an Auto cannon and a light one at that that does not mean that it is weak it is not it just is not an HMG if you compare it to the weapons of the same class it has less AOE and lower burst traded for better sustain and a nuke for an alt even its stats are more closely aliened to the autocanons which all have balanced stats and a fire rate some where between the gratler and the ayanga 

[Llamatronian]

On 2020-09-03 at 3:55 AM, Nailclipper said:

For space combat where you need to kill a lot of trash mobs, Kuva Ayanga is easier to use for me. Kuva Ayanga's main damage comes from the projectile explosion while the projectiles impact themselves do most of the damage on Mausolon. Ayanga's projectile explosion also has far bigger 9m radius, compared to Mausolon's only 1.8m.

For bosses like Jordas Golem (SP) I haven't compared the two.

For archwing missions Larkspur is even better IMO. No time of flight, no need to aim precisely, and it chains a massive distance to basically kill everything in an instant. Even in steel path it just fries everything in seconds.

[(PSN)robotwars7]

having used them all, there's only 4 Archguns I truly like. Mausolon is one of them, it's just really strong and you can't argue much with an AoE machine gun with a sniper alt fire, it's effective at every range, and doesn't take forever to reload. I prefer it over the hitscan bullet archguns. the other 3, if you're curious:

- Kuva Ayanga. it looks and feels awesome, it's a full auto grenade launcher, it's rather powerful. some find arcing projectiles an issue but that's why you learn to aim high for distance. Necramech UI has a mark for targets 100m away. reloads fast on mechs and is just a ton of fun to bombard an area with. wouldn't mind a riven for it too..

-Grattler. the range is a problem sometimes, but it's an explosive flak cannon, and i LOVE how it looks like an old WW2-era AA gun. before the Ayanga, this was my favourite Archgun and my favourite way of bombarding an area.. artillery is such fun! 

-Cortege. it wasn't worth the TERRIBLE Iso-Vault grind, but then nothing would have been. it is however, a heavy flamethrower with insane range and a devastating alt-fire, so that's still pretty good IMO. very strong and looks imposing. 

I took the Mausolon, with a pretty basic setup to a formorian run, I think a couple of randoms with me had theirs too, we hit over 5 million damage on the core, the highest I've ever seen without a Velocitus involved. plus Mausolon was basically free if you ignore the Mech, so, what's not to like? there's only one more Archgun I want to see now: an ACTUAL minigun with rotating barrels and a fire rate that makes the grakata look sluggish. I NEED one of these for my Rhino:

[Serafim_94]

Specifically in archwing, the only good gun is Larkspur. Because everything else requires you to actually aim . In archwing. And Mausalon has 5 seconds reload timer for some godforsaken reason.

On ground though - yeah, it's pretty sweet.

[Cyndocrit]

It's the closest to a prime archwing primary now, since it's an Orokin weapon.

[Deadoon]

38 minutes ago, Serafim_94 said:

Specifically in archwing, the only good gun is Larkspur. Because everything else requires you to actually aim . In archwing. And Mausalon has 5 seconds reload timer for some godforsaken reason.

On ground though - yeah, it's pretty sweet.

4 second delay followed by an ultra rapid refresh.

It also has a 300 round magazine. With a rate of fire of 8.33 that is a full 36 seconds of firing, with automatic trigger 22 seconds.

[Nailclipper]

On 2020-09-02 at 10:55 PM, Nailclipper said:

For space combat where you need to kill a lot of trash mobs, Kuva Ayanga is easier to use for me. Kuva Ayanga's main damage comes from the projectile explosion while the projectiles impact themselves do most of the damage on Mausolon. Ayanga's projectile explosion also has far bigger 9m radius, compared to Mausolon's only 1.8m.

For bosses like Jordas Golem (SP) I haven't compared the two.

So Mausolon killed Steel Path Jordas Golem a bit faster than Kuva Ayanga. Ayanga's smaller magazine capacity also works against its DPS. 

I guess DE has balanced them well.

[taiiat]

7 minutes ago, Nailclipper said:

So Mausolon killed Steel Path Jordas Golem a bit faster than Kuva Ayanga.

Velocitus dabs on Jordas :^)

[Nailclipper]

4 minutes ago, taiiat said:

Velocitus dabs on Jordas :^)

I do need to get it.