Helminth: What happened to Bile?

[tyki11]

I just need to vent but Bile has some big issues. Whomever did Bile numbers is a mean person, or worked disconnected from every other category of helminth feeding.

Every single category except Bile is both easy to top off and feed. But Bile numbers are just...vile. 1k fresnels? 30 cryotic excavations? Time limited argon? 400 isos and 15k copernics? Time limited thermia? 

Someone either messed up, or this is a very specific way to gate us from using Helminth too fast, despite adding the plat rush option.

[(XBOX)Hyperion Rexx]

yeah, bile is gonna be the hard lock most players run up against in the system.   The resource costs are waaaay out of wack.

I mean, 1k fresnels?  For real?   I've done a lot of rj and have 1.6k.

 

[DeccanTraps]

Actually I suspect its WAI, and is very smart at that.

It is totally a brake on the rate of use targeted at the moat used humour. Because otherwise people treat the game like a speed run and then complain they have nothing to do or to work towards.

[Proscriptor]

9 minutes ago, tyki11 said:

30 cryotic excavations

2683 cryotic excavations

[tyki11]

4 minutes ago, DeccanTraps said:

Actually I suspect its WAI, and is very smart at that.

It is totally a brake on the rate of use targeted at the moat used humour. Because otherwise people treat the game like a speed run and then complain they have nothing to do or to work towards.

That's just bad design. Especially since they literally just added a rush subsume feature.

We already sped through and are done with deimos. All they're doing is forcing bad grind, unlike every other category.

[CoreWolf]

The railjack resources in any category are just wrong. They either purposefully made them extremely high, or they're genuinely overestimating the resource gain in that game mode vs the rest of the game by an extreme amount. A lot of those per individual feed are probably 50-100% of the total amount a lot of players will ever have in total at one time.

Bile definitely is the gate though - like that one resource they always add to open worlds that slows progress even when you've got thousands of everything else (Scintillant, Grandmother tokens...).

It's an odd choice, because those costs will just mean people either don't spend that resource, or they do and run out very very fast. And then everyone will look to whatever is most efficient to farm. In this case that will be Argon Crystals or Fortuna resources. Everything else in that category will (have to) be ignored.

I kinda suspect they want Argon Crystal to be the choice there to force people to have to play regularly to use the system, since they disappear over time.

 

[Hokibukisa]

45 minutes ago, Traubenzuckr said:

2683 cryotic excavations

This #*!%ing Chad right here.

[.Little.]

I've just been force feeding it argon from all the vaults I have been running.   Haven't had an issue and that resource goes poof used or not...

[Faras]

It was all fun and games until Bile pulled up...

[Alpheus]

2 hours ago, Traubenzuckr said:

2683 cryotic excavations

I had somewhere in the realm of 300k and I'm down to 9k because I didn't stop to think how many excavations I had to do to reach that number.

[(PSN)Mofojokers]

All the others seem ok a tad high but i have millions to blow. But bile is over the top and needs tuning down. Biggest issue i have with it is that i thought Helminth was to allow us to try different ideas.

Currently it's so high to change around that your best to just go with the meta for each frame over silly builds.

Otherwise i love everything about this expac outside of son lol.

[White_Matter]

Update doesn't seem fully play tested as a whole. I was also surprised by some of those numbers as well. 

[Proscriptor]

not fully playtested? who is going to playtest the infinite frame-ability permutations and spending scenarios based on which player has which resource?

it isn't play tested at all. it's only modeled with a goal in mind - to slow down the helminth progress of the vast majority of players. 

[GammaRamma]

On 2020-09-02 at 5:56 PM, Traubenzuckr said:

not fully playtested? who is going to playtest the infinite frame-ability permutations and spending scenarios based on which player has which resource?

it isn't play tested at all. it's only modeled with a goal in mind - to slow down the helminth progress of the vast majority of players. 

I'm sure you've worked personally with Digital Extremes and can totally confirm this as the truth




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[JohnKable]

Honestly im 5 frames eaten, a few abilities subsumed into other frames and have yet to run even close to zero on any resources. Sure the numbers on RJ materials are just insane. Especially if you crafted everything for rj.
But, really you dont have to necessary feed those for bile. there are quite a few other useless open world resources that i bet you easily have quite a stockpile of. Just wait for the dude to crave for those....

It is problematic only if you want to rush it asap, and give him undesired resources instead of the craved ones

 

[Crabopoulos-Michael]

En 2/9/2020 a las 21:39, --CV--Gambit dijo:

I've just been force feeding it argon from all the vaults I have been running.   Haven't had an issue and that resource goes poof used or not...

This is exactly my plan 🙂

[_Tormex_]

3 entire argon crystals? However will you acquire that many?!?!?

[ChaoticEdge]

Try RJ in the nutshell trying get thous materials.  Helminth eats a lot more of those instead of the other materials.  They need nerf consuming amount eating.

[Kconvey]

On 2020-09-02 at 11:06 AM, CoreWolf said:

The railjack resources in any category are just wrong. They either purposefully made them extremely high, or they're genuinely overestimating the resource gain in that game mode vs the rest of the game by an extreme amount. A lot of those per individual feed are probably 50-100% of the total amount a lot of players will ever have in total at one time.

Bile definitely is the gate though - like that one resource they always add to open worlds that slows progress even when you've got thousands of everything else (Scintillant, Grandmother tokens...).

It's an odd choice, because those costs will just mean people either don't spend that resource, or they do and run out very very fast. And then everyone will look to whatever is most efficient to farm. In this case that will be Argon Crystals or Fortuna resources. Everything else in that category will (have to) be ignored.

I kinda suspect they want Argon Crystal to be the choice there to force people to have to play regularly to use the system, since they disappear over time.

 

It feels like they are forcing us to buy resource boosters.

[Kconvey]

4 minutes ago, _Tormex_ said:

3 entire argon crystals? However will you acquire that many?!?!?

The problem is you can only feed them a few at a time before it stops accepting it. 

[_Tormex_]

In two days, feeding the same resource is maxed out again though. So if you really want to use bile and you don't want to use resources, just wait two days.

[Kconvey]

On 2020-09-02 at 2:26 PM, (PS4)Mofojokers said:

All the others seem ok a tad high but i have millions to blow. But bile is over the top and needs tuning down. Biggest issue i have with it is that i thought Helminth was to allow us to try different ideas.

Currently it's so high to change around that your best to just go with the meta for each frame over silly builds.

Otherwise i love everything about this expac outside of son lol.

This , it totally blows the idea Helminth was supposed to do away, in favor of just jamming Warcry or Roar onto your favorite frame.

Well this is exciting and interesting.. or not.

[Kconvey]

2 minutes ago, _Tormex_ said:

In two days, feeding the same resource is maxed out again though. So if you really want to use bile and you don't want to use resources, just wait two days.

Wrong, its like 6 days, because 2 feeding of one resource is only about 1/3. I mean it is possible, its just never going to be any fun this way, just a sloggy grind skunk.

And seriously, doesnt the game have enough of that already?

[Alpheus]

2 minutes ago, Kconvey said:

The problem is you can only feed them a few at a time before it stops accepting it. 

It doesn't stop accepting, it just fills the bar less. I ran a survival and knew I wasn't going to use the 50-ish Argon for anything else so I infused 2 abilities to bring the bile to 0%.

[Kconvey]

My guess is they are going to let this stand for a couple weeks and drain out the resources of those with too many, then nerf it down to something reasonable so the rest of the playerbase can use it.

Also to grab as much booster money from whales as they can , then figure anyone who didnt pay isnt going to.