Helminth Bile Secretion is Off Balanced

[SavitarGod0fSpeed]

Is it only me or other people hit this wall as well? Now i know that some people will say that this was ment to be hard for new players and was disigned for veterans only, but let's be honest 3k cryotic? 15k copernics? DILUTED THERMIA? (how am i suppose to launch Exploiter without these?) Not to mention that most of subsumed abilities AND infused abilities require this specific secretion. I am a player with over 4k hours (i know mastery doesn't matter) and still believe that the costs of bile items either need to be cutted at 1/3 of current value or move one of other common resources (Alloy plate) to bile secration OR add mining resources

P.s. for those who think to answer why don't you feed him Argon, somatic fibers, thermal sludge and morphics. Guess what. I AM OUT ALREADY, after 3 days all the thermal sludge and morphics i ever farmed in those 4k+ hours poof gone. The only think i can feed now is just Argon from the ISO vault. And yes i know about the sentient resources.

[(PSN)ForNoPurpose]

Is a bit off.. my only suggestion is not to feed while it doesnt want a specific food..

[Vyra]

15 minutes ago, SavitarGod0fSpeed said:

Is it only me or other people hit this wall as well? Now i know that some people will say that this was ment to be hard for new players and was disigned for veterans only, but let's be honest 3k cryotic? 15k copernics? DILUTED THERMIA? (how am i suppose to launch Exploiter without these?) Not to mention that most of subsumed abilities AND infused abilities require this specific secretion. I am a player with over 4k hours (i know mastery doesn't matter) and still believe that the costs of bile items either need to be cutted at 1/3 of current value or move one of other common resources (Alloy plate) to bile secration.

P.s. for those who think to answer why don't you feed him Argon, somatic fibers, thermal sludge and morphics. Guess what. I AM OUT ALREADY, after 3 days all the thermal sludge and morphics i ever farmed in those 4k+ hours poof gone. The only think i can feed now is just Argon from the ISO vaults.

Im with you.

 

Now just wait for ppl to tell you to git gud or farm more...

[SavitarGod0fSpeed]

9 minutes ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

Is a bit off.. my only suggestion is not to feed while it doesnt want a specific food..

Again... I either have to go for a quick swipe in Vallis for thermal sludge or 30 excavations... The alternative is Argon. But helminth is sick of them

 

[SavitarGod0fSpeed]

1 minute ago, Vyra said:

Im with you.

 

Now just wait for ppl to tell you to git gud or farm more...

I want this to be solved soon (not "primed soon") i hope DE will see our prayers...

[Voltage]

You can wait for the negative effects on resources to ware off or use sentient resources at rank 8. I like the system aside from a few outliers (mostly just Railjack resources). It rewards players for their stockpiles and makes these resources all relevant and useful.

I like it is for this simple reason:

Both you and I can reach the same completion of Helminth abilities, but we can arrive at different times using different resources. For you, 3,000 Cryotic is a lot. For me, I have 200,000 from back in the days of Fusion Core and Tower Key farming. I will be more likely to spend Cryotic than you, but we can still progress the same with some different consumption choices. It's really nice.

[Marvelous_A]

I believe it's intentionally made this way to stagnate your progress. It's asking for unreasonable amount of RJ resources too.

[Voltage]

8 minutes ago, Vyra said:

Im with you.

 

Now just wait for ppl to tell you to git gud or farm more...

The largest power enhancement to your arsenal should have the largest cost. Helminth is more powerful compared to Riven Mods or Arcanes, and it's really sad that only Riven Mods are really "high end" enhancements for gear considering their nature. I'm not a fan of the Helminth system in terms of balance and abilities, but the way it was implemented is good. It should be very expensive to accomplish ability swapping.

[IspanoLFW]

22 minutes ago, SavitarGod0fSpeed said:

Is it only me or other people hit this wall as well? Now i know that some people will say that this was ment to be hard for new players and was disigned for veterans only, but let's be honest 3k cryotic? 15k copernics? DILUTED THERMIA? (how am i suppose to launch Exploiter without these?) Not to mention that most of subsumed abilities AND infused abilities require this specific secretion. I am a player with over 4k hours (i know mastery doesn't matter) and still believe that the costs of bile items either need to be cutted at 1/3 of current value or move one of other common resources (Alloy plate) to bile secration.

P.s. for those who think to answer why don't you feed him Argon, somatic fibers, thermal sludge and morphics. Guess what. I AM OUT ALREADY, after 3 days all the thermal sludge and morphics i ever farmed in those 4k+ hours poof gone. The only think i can feed now is just Argon from the ISO vaults.

Most? About half the frames use Bile to subsume, if they do, they do not use it for their ability. If a frame doesn't use bile to subsume, it does use it for its ability. So about half, not most. The Helminth abilities that use bile, generally don't use nearly as much as a frame ability either.

As for your PS. Of course this will happen if you feed them at full red arrow and only 3% a feeding. You're not meant to do that unless you have boatloads of resources. YOU fell into that trap on your own. They do recover with time. That and once you get Rank 8, Sentient feeding helps.

[SavitarGod0fSpeed]

1 minute ago, Voltage said:

you can wait for the negative effects on resources to ware off or use sentient resources at rank 8. I like the system aside from a few outliers (mostly just Railjack resources). It rewards players for their stockpiles and makes these resources all relevant and useful.

I like it is for this simple reason:

Both you and I can reach the same completion of Helminth abilities, but we can arrive at different times using different resources. For you, 3,000 Cryotic is a lot. For me, I have 200,000 from back in the days of Fusion Core and Tower Key farming. I will be more likely to spend Cryotic than you, but we can still progress the same with some different consumption choices. It's really nice.

I know about the sentient resources but unfortunately you cannot pick which resource to make helminth disire it again. As for the cryotic... I had 180k... Yeahhh i subsumed 6 frames so far (2 were rushed) and i infused 7 of my frames 1 or 2 times each. When i am saying that bile needs fixing i mean it.

[SavitarGod0fSpeed]

4 minutes ago, Voltage said:

The largest power enhancement to your arsenal should have the largest cost. Helminth is more powerful compared to Riven Mods or Arcanes, and it's really sad that only Riven Mods are really "high end" enhancements for gear considering their nature. I'm not a fan of the Helminth system in terms of balance and abilities, but the way it was implemented is good. It should be very expensive to accomplish ability swapping.

Rivens is something completely different it's a rulete game you get something if you are lucky helminth you know what are you doing. And if this system is more powerful than anything 1. DE would never introduce it and 2. They would nerf abilities.

[SavitarGod0fSpeed]

6 minutes ago, IspanoLFW said:

Most? About half the frames use Bile to subsume, if they do, they do not use it for their ability. If a frame doesn't use bile to subsume, it does use it for its ability. So about half, not most. The Helminth abilities that use bile, generally don't use nearly as much as a frame ability either.

As for your PS. Of course this will happen if you feed them at full red arrow and only 3% a feeding. You're not meant to do that unless you have boatloads of resources. YOU fell into that trap on your own. They do recover with time. That and once you get Rank 8, Sentient feeding helps.

As i replied to someone before i used sentient resources and no i wasn't using it at full red arrow. Black/ grey arrow yes

[IspanoLFW]

3 minutes ago, SavitarGod0fSpeed said:

As i replied to someone before i used sentient resources and no i wasn't using it at full red arrow. Black/ grey arrow yes

There's either a red arrow or a green arrow(or none at all). Partial arrows, even though they have a black background, are still red/green. The gray mark is only when you don't have enough to turn in. I have 4800 Morphics. At full green arrow, that's 3,600% At full red arrow it's only 360%.

If you want to rush through it, you will have to deal with lower efficiency, just how it is. This is also why Sentient feeding only puts it to neutral and not back to full green.

And the real point of the original response, is that people keep claiming false information with bile being used for most everything. Sure it's used for all but like 1 of the Helminth abilities, but they use less than frame abilities.