Please don't do with future Frames what you did with the Gyromag Systems on Xaku.

[(XBOX)ParrotTom]

You wouldn't be wrong if you said it was my fault the grind was (and still is) longer than it needed to be, but to be fair, I saw no reason to level up Solaris United or Vox Solaris. I think this is the only time I've ever had a problem with daily caps on faction standing. I returned to the game after not actively playing it since I think The Sacrifice or Chimera Prologue and I come back to really bad RNG with the debt bonds, finding out the last piece I need for the new Frame is (to me at least) locked behind having to reach Old Mate with SU, and the fun with daily caps. What would have taken with good RNG (I had it with the Scintillants and the Xaku parts) 3 1/2 days w/o rushing is taking quite a while longer because of how one resource is obtained.

 

Please don't do something like this again with future Frames, I'd really rather not have to do something like max out the Quills (mainly a solo player, Eidolon  hunting won't work well) or Ostron standing just to get one resource for Wraith or whoever the next release will be (please let it be Wraith).

[BahamutKaiser]

I mean, all this time and you want the newest frame? There are like 5 frames you missed, several better than the one your seeking. 

Everything in Deimos is aimed to get you engaged with as much of the game as possible, most regular players had the resources lying around, but I can see how that would be tedious :(

[Talinthis]

oh, didnt even realize it took fortuna resources when i built it, but fear not! there another way so you dont have to max out quills. 

Spoiler

buy it with platinum

 

[(PSN)Silverback73]

46 minutes ago, Talinthis said:

oh, didnt even realize it took fortuna resources when i built it, but fear not! there another way so you dont have to max out quills. 

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buy it with platinum

 

Can I buy off the Dysfunctional Deimos Demonflower family and buy Helminth with Platinum?

[(PSN)robotwars7]

6 hours ago, (XB1)ParrotTom said:

I saw no reason to level up Solaris United or Vox Solaris.

so you're telling me you weren't interested in:

- being able to use Archguns anywhere, anytime. 

- powerful Amps and Arcanes that make the operator WAY better.

- Baruuk and Hildryn, two VERY powerful frames

- making your own guns and naming them.

-having a MOA companion.

that's 5 reasons right there, seem to me you weren't looking hard enough.

[(XBOX)Demon Intellect]

31 minutes ago, (PS4)robotwars7 said:

so you're telling me you weren't interested in:

- being able to use Archguns anywhere, anytime. 

- powerful Amps and Arcanes that make the operator WAY better.

- Baruuk and Hildryn, two VERY powerful frames

- making your own guns and naming them.

-having a MOA companion.

that's 5 reasons right there, seem to me you weren't looking hard enough.

Personally the frames to me are the ugliest and dumbest designs in the game. The muscle chick with a $&*^ bigger than most dudes or manbun supreme.

[Fallen77]

God forbid we actually have to play the all game to unlock a small selection of items... Imagine having to complete a handfull of dungeons before unlocking the bow in ocarina of time ? That'd be wild right ?

[Fallen77]

il y a 35 minutes, (XB1)Demon Intellect a dit :

Personally the frames to me are the ugliest and dumbest designs in the game. The muscle chick with a $&*^ bigger than most dudes or manbun supreme.

Did you feel intimidated by muscle russian woman ? XD

 

Nah I know, you're entitled to your tastes, but look alone can't justify missing out on all the gameplay features the other guy mentionned, if that's what you meant.

[Ahniar]

Hey, every one is allowed to have an opinion... 

... Even if it's wrong. 

[Tesseract7777]

7 hours ago, (XB1)ParrotTom said:

You wouldn't be wrong if you said it was my fault the grind was (and still is) longer than it needed to be, but to be fair, I saw no reason to level up Solaris United or Vox Solaris. I think this is the only time I've ever had a problem with daily caps on faction standing. I returned to the game after not actively playing it since I think The Sacrifice or Chimera Prologue and I come back to really bad RNG with the debt bonds, finding out the last piece I need for the new Frame is (to me at least) locked behind having to reach Old Mate with SU, and the fun with daily caps. What would have taken with good RNG (I had it with the Scintillants and the Xaku parts) 3 1/2 days w/o rushing is taking quite a while longer because of how one resource is obtained.

 

Please don't do something like this again with future Frames, I'd really rather not have to do something like max out the Quills (mainly a solo player, Eidolon  hunting won't work well) or Ostron standing just to get one resource for Wraith or whoever the next release will be (please let it be Wraith).

The fact Gyromag/Atmo/Repeller Systems are so rng is BAD. 

The fact that they made the grind for Xaku more spread out is GOOD. 

I sympathize on any systems due to the bad rng, but people complain about content islands so DE spreads out the grind so getting the stuff to build Xaku won't just be another gameplay loop in the new open world. 

This would be good design, if not for the poor rng on systems in general from Profit Taker bounties. 

Let's focus on the real issue to whine about here, the fact that atmo, repeller and gyromag systems should never have been locked behind such hideous rng. 

[Raikh]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Tesseract7777:

people complain about content islands so DE spreads out the grind so getting the stuff to build Xaku won't just be another gameplay loop in the new open world. 

Deimos is still a content island. Just requiring non-Deimos materials for a single frame doesn't solve that Deimos is a disconnected progression system. If DE truly wanted to connect the different "open worlds" there would be a story and progression link. So starting Fortuna requires a certain rank with the Ostron from where on the story takes you there and the challenges are similarly scaled to players having done the plains up to a certain level and so on and so forth.

But there is no story link, there is no progression link. You can start progressing the different "open worlds" in any order, they all have the same difficulty etc.

Iirc kitguns require plains mats, too, its not new and its not effective at connecitng the different pieces of content. It might give incentive to run back to an older "open world" to get some amts or do it inth e first place but its a really damn cheap incentive.

As a player that has done the old plains I don't want to to stop doing new content to grind stuff from the old so I can crfat the stuff form the new content and as a player just starting their first with Deimos (or Fortuna) I don't want to have my rewards from doing one being gated by progressing something else entirely first. Its really bad design. If you want the "open worlds" connected, do it properly, not arbitrarily.

 

[Tesseract7777]

8 minutes ago, Raikh said:

Deimos is still a content island. Just requiring non-Deimos materials for a single frame doesn't solve that Deimos is a disconnected progression system. If DE truly wanted to connect the different "open worlds" there would be a story and progression link. So starting Fortuna requires a certain rank with the Ostron from where on the story takes you there and the challenges are similarly scaled to players having done the plains up to a certain level and so on and so forth.

But there is no story link, there is no progression link. You can start progressing the different "open worlds" in any order, they all have the same difficulty etc.

Iirc kitguns require plains mats, too, its not new and its not effective at connecitng the different pieces of content. It might give incentive to run back to an older "open world" to get some amts or do it inth e first place but its a really damn cheap incentive.

As a player that has done the old plains I don't want to to stop doing new content to grind stuff from the old so I can crfat the stuff form the new content and as a player just starting their first with Deimos (or Fortuna) I don't want to have my rewards from doing one being gated by progressing something else entirely first. Its really bad design. If you want the "open worlds" connected, do it properly, not arbitrarily.

 

It's still spreading out the grind and making things less of a content island, it's just not as much as you want. 

It's exactly what so many people ask for, and is the opposite of a content island. 

Story isn't necessary for something to not be a content island, and there are clear progression links in some ways, at least with resources. For example, you can't farm some of the mats to build Xaku without getting max in Solaris United first. That's exactly the kind of linked progression you are talking about. Now, it's true you don't have to do Fortuna to understand or get the story of Deimos, but gameplay is the most important link. 

[Raikh]

vor 2 Minuten schrieb Tesseract7777:

It's exactly what so many people ask for, and is the opposite of a content island. 

I really really really doubt that.

From what I've seen and also personally felt, its a matter of content being properly structured and built on top fo each other, creating progression paths and making each piece of content a meaningful aprt of the whole experience that isn't just its own pocket somewhere along the way.

Deimos doesn't reward my progress in Fortuna. Deimos locks its own rewards behind Fortuna. That cna be fine in some instances, but it doesn't really stop these from being their own pockets with each of them being more or less a dead-end.

Creating a content island and then say, hey you need mats from another content island to actually use the stuff thats suppsoed to reward your progression on this particular content island is nothing more than a cheap trick to make it appear less so. To me its just a showcase of how terribly torn they are between making everything accessible to the lowest common denominator and building things for players who have continuously played the game and I really don't like the result of that.

[Tesseract7777]

10 minutes ago, Raikh said:

Deimos doesn't reward my progress in Fortuna. Deimos locks its own rewards behind Fortuna. That cna be fine in some instances, but it doesn't really stop these from being their own pockets with each of them being more or less a dead-end.

 

I personally see this as essentially the same thing, so while I respect your opinion, I'm not sure we are going to find much common ground here. You ask for connected progression or progression? I see syndicates as progression. Personally I see "locked behind earlier syndicates" as"rewarding progress" by giving you access to more things the more syndicates you have done. I am rewarded for already mastering the syndicate of Solaris United and doing Profit Taker a bunch by having enough gyromag systems that I can build that Xaku piece many times over and many times again. That, plus the fact it was a syndicate from a map people try to call a "content island" and it's exactly how I, as a player, want DE to start connecting things. Can they do more? Sure, but in my opinion it's a good step in the right direction. 

Everything on the map is essentially a "dead end" until you connect it in some way, this is a small step in the right direction. 

 

[(PSN)Double991]

Alchemist frame is gonna need a Seriglass Shard. Calling it now.

[32768]

4 hours ago, (XB1)Demon Intellect said:

Personally the frames to me are the ugliest and dumbest designs in the game. The muscle chick with a $&*^ bigger than most dudes or manbun supreme.

Yeah, hildrin is fugly and I probably will never build it because I don't want that thing in my inventory, maybe for mastery, but I'm not into mastery. But perhaps DE has to make some sacrifices to SJW cult to avoid bullying. Its also unpleasant when warframe description starts with "neither he or she". Why should I care? But its OK, we understand.

[Raikh]

vor 35 Minuten schrieb Tesseract7777:

I personally see this as essentially the same thing, so while I respect your opinion, I'm not sure we are going to find much common ground here. You ask for connected progression or progression? I see syndicates as progression. Personally I see "locked behind earlier syndicates" as"rewarding progress" by giving you access to more things the more syndicates you have done. I am rewarded for already mastering the syndicate of Solaris United and doing Profit Taker a bunch by having enough gyromag systems that I can build that Xaku piece many times over and many times again. That, plus the fact it was a syndicate from a map people try to call a "content island" and it's exactly how I, as a player, want DE to start connecting things. Can they do more? Sure, but in my opinion it's a good step in the right direction. 

Everything on the map is essentially a "dead end" until you connect it in some way, this is a small step in the right direction. 

 

The issue I take is that Deimos isn't advertised as coming after Fortuna in a prgoression sense. Content isn't more difficult, the story or the game itself doesn't say as much until after you see the crafting requirements for Xaku. If I was a newer player and ended up starting on Deimos I wouldn't even know these materials are from Fortuna, especially because you need to unlock Vox Solaris to even get to them.

I can see the similarities between requiring the faction and requiring the mats of that faction but I think the implication for the overall game experience are significantly different. But I can agree to disagree here. I don't intend to fight a war on this.

Maybe it is a step in the right direction, even though it isn't the first step I would've taken. I just hope it isn't the only step to be taken.

[Blaudari]

Honestly its not that bad with the Gyro mag systems because if you max out Vox Solaris, you can just buy the resources with the standing & all you actually have to do is fight the exploiter orb twice a day if you don't have the toroid stocked up.

Each of the toroids the exploiter orb gives you is 12k standing & if your max standing cap is like 24k or 25k that's 1 whole standing cap right there & enough to get you a couple of Gyromag systems.

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

It's no one fault if you "didn't see a reason" to participate in content. Maybe this will give you incentive to at least participate a little in the future. Why ignore such a large piece of content, then get upset at something that you yourself did?

[(XBOX)ParrotTom]

6 hours ago, (PS4)robotwars7 said:

so you're telling me you weren't interested in:

- being able to use Archguns anywhere, anytime. 

- powerful Amps and Arcanes that make the operator WAY better.

- Baruuk and Hildryn, two VERY powerful frames

- making your own guns and naming them.

-having a MOA companion.

that's 5 reasons right there, seem to me you weren't looking hard enough.

No interest in the archguns, not that they did a good enough job on archwing gameplay for me to be able to tolerate it enough to grind it for archwing/ gun mods.

I have better weapons and companions.

Baruuk and Hildryn don't really interest me.

I can't remember the arcanes and will need to see if they suit my playstyle and preferred Frames.

[(XBOX)ParrotTom]

1 hour ago, Blaudari said:

Honestly its not that bad with the Gyro mag systems because if you max out Vox Solaris, you can just buy the resources with the standing & all you actually have to do is fight the exploiter orb twice a day if you don't have the toroid stocked up.

Each of the toroids the exploiter orb gives you is 12k standing & if your max standing cap is like 24k or 25k that's 1 whole standing cap right there & enough to get you a couple of Gyromag systems.

The problem though is Gyromag Systems can only be obtained through VS if you are the rank of Hand, but to reach rank 2 or 3 with VS you need this resource which can only be obtained otherwise after unlocking the Profit Taker missions by reaching Old Mate with SU.

[(XBOX)ParrotTom]

1 hour ago, (PS4)Madurai-Prime said:

It's no one fault if you "didn't see a reason" to participate in content. Maybe this will give you incentive to at least participate a little in the future. Why ignore such a large piece of content, then get upset at something that you yourself did?

Who would think it would make sense that a new Frame's resources would be locked behind ranking up 1-2 factions that have nothing to do with the Frame or the story leading up to it's acquisition? My only real issue is the last piece I need is locked behind a faction ranks and daily caps.

[(PSN)Edgar1909SCI]

P

[Tesseract7777]

Just now, (XB1)ParrotTom said:

Who would think it would make sense that a new Frame's resources would be locked behind ranking up 1-2 factions that have nothing to do with the Frame or the story leading up to it's acquisition? My only real issue is the last piece I need is locked behind a faction ranks and daily caps.

Gauss has been out for a while, he is an example of a frame that is all over the place in terms of acquisition and it really doesn't make that much thematic sense. 

You have to be ranked up with both open world syndicates to craft the refined gems to build him, but you get his parts grinding disruptions until your eyes literally bleed. 

I'm just saying, this isn't the first time they have done something similar. 

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

3 minutes ago, (XB1)ParrotTom said:

Who would think it would make sense that a new Frame's resources would be locked behind ranking up 1-2 factions that have nothing to do with the Frame or the story leading up to it's acquisition? My only real issue is the last piece I need is locked behind a faction ranks and daily caps.

People that know this content isn't for new people.....

People that are aware Fortuna and Cetus were released years ago and it's kind of expected that most people would have them done by now......Even the slowest of people...