Canach Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Sorry no image - 8 Forma Invested Serration: +165% Damage Split Chamber: +90% Multishot Point Strike: +150% Crit Chance Vital Sense: +120% Crit Damage Soma Crita-lexicak: +117.9 Crit Chance, +2m Punch-thru, +90.8% Puncture Primed Shred: +55% Fire Rate, +2.2m Punch-thru Primed Cryo Rounds: +165% Cold Hata-Satya: +1.2% Crit chance per hit, including multishot and punch-thru, resetting at reload (200 rnd mag) Ammo Drum/Eagle Eye for Exilus slot This is a battlefield mob-burner/boss-killer. A monster OMGFTFBBQ crit monster with 23.25 RoF - but that was BEFORE Hata-Satya. Hata-Satya replaces Hunter's Munitions in the build above, but I can't really tell if it is actually an improvement or not. Rifles like this really show there value in particular tactical scenarios, i.e. holo-deck testing is not going to determine anything. Slash procs from HM provide a substantial increase in direct damage Crit chance increases stack with other crit buffs from other warframes, kavats, etc. Hata-Satya is fun, Hunter's Munitions might still be better though... Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagamilight123 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 hace 45 minutos, Canach dijo: Sorry no image - 8 Forma Invested Serration: +165% Damage Split Chamber: +90% Multishot Point Strike: +150% Crit Chance Vital Sense: +120% Crit Damage Soma Crita-lexicak: +117.9 Crit Chance, +2m Punch-thru, +90.8% Puncture Primed Shred: +55% Fire Rate, +2.2m Punch-thru Primed Cryo Rounds: +165% Cold Hata-Satya: +1.2% Crit chance per hit, including multishot and punch-thru, resetting at reload (200 rnd mag) Ammo Drum/Eagle Eye for Exilus slot This is a battlefield mob-burner/boss-killer. A monster OMGFTFBBQ crit monster with 23.25 RoF - but that was BEFORE Hata-Satya. Hata-Satya replaces Hunter's Munitions in the build above, but I can't really tell if it is actually an improvement or not. Rifles like this really show there value in particular tactical scenarios, i.e. holo-deck testing is not going to determine anything. Slash procs from HM provide a substantial increase in direct damage Crit chance increases stack with other crit buffs from other warframes, kavats, etc. Hata-Satya is fun, Hunter's Munitions might still be better though... Any thoughts? Its mediocre even using the ammo efficiency skill of helminth .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukasystem Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Considering there's Energized munitions fresh from the Helminth along with this particular mod, having a 500% cap kills the whole dream. It still requires quite the ordeal to step up against the other primaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nailclipper Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Could you make Some Prime more accurate then retest it with Hata-Satya? Soma Prime's main disadvantage against Baza Prime IMO is that the latter can just stream bullets onto the enemies' heads all day long which greatly increases its DPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dioxety Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I have done testing, and honestly this Mod doesn't make the gun much better. So many better choices unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0_The_F00l Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 The numbers are lacking in my opinion , change it to a 2% increase per hit and we will see much better use out of it. the fact that MS and PT can increase it is nice but in most scenarios you will not see it outperforming significantly over a standard build. I only think it needs a number change and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canach Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 To be clear, I am not proposing that the new mod makes the Soma awesome - The Soma is awesome, and the new mod is something fresh to play with. Soma has not been 'meta' for quite a while (in years) but it has always been (with the Supra Vandal) a great bullet hose, and as built in my original post, it competes well with any weapon I have at endgame levels - Kuva Fortress, Lich Hunts, Steel Path, Arbitrations. Many weapons are fine for endgame, weapon-tweaking is an exercise in overkill hot-rodding. I agree with the consensus here that the new mod is just a little too low of a contribution, but I'm going to keep playing with it for a while yet. As @Nailclipper commented, it would be worth more if the Soma was more accurate. In this case, most of my wasted bullets are shooting corpses not shooting air, but it still equates to wasted ammo and degredation of the effect of the mod. For my next trick, I will put Hunter's Munitions back in, replacing Primed Shred. This will increase the number of hits per mag by reducing RoF into corpses... might be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorClipClop Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I'd be reluctant to remove Hunter Munitions, especially vs Armored targets. I might remove Primed Shred for for Hata-Satya instead of HM, considering your Riven has punchthrough already. Energized Munitions is aight, but with HM I think Expedite Suffering would be a much better Helminth ability once unlocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proscriptor Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 11 hours ago, Canach said: Hata-Satya replaces Hunter's Munitions in the build above, but I can't really tell if it is actually an improvement or not. against high level enemies it's a big detriment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatboyPrincess Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 11 hours ago, Canach said: Sorry no image - 8 Forma Invested Serration: +165% Damage Split Chamber: +90% Multishot Point Strike: +150% Crit Chance Vital Sense: +120% Crit Damage Soma Crita-lexicak: +117.9 Crit Chance, +2m Punch-thru, +90.8% Puncture Primed Shred: +55% Fire Rate, +2.2m Punch-thru Primed Cryo Rounds: +165% Cold Hata-Satya: +1.2% Crit chance per hit, including multishot and punch-thru, resetting at reload (200 rnd mag) Ammo Drum/Eagle Eye for Exilus slot This is a battlefield mob-burner/boss-killer. A monster OMGFTFBBQ crit monster with 23.25 RoF - but that was BEFORE Hata-Satya. Hata-Satya replaces Hunter's Munitions in the build above, but I can't really tell if it is actually an improvement or not. Rifles like this really show there value in particular tactical scenarios, i.e. holo-deck testing is not going to determine anything. Slash procs from HM provide a substantial increase in direct damage Crit chance increases stack with other crit buffs from other warframes, kavats, etc. Hata-Satya is fun, Hunter's Munitions might still be better though... Any thoughts? I hate HM Crit Chance is mathematically inferior to Crit Damage Moreover, I strongly recommend replacing Point Strike with Infected Clip to form Viral damage. If you can manage it, use Vigilante Supplies as exilus for minor DPS increase Point Strike is not worth lack of Viral, esp because of diminishing proportional gains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canach Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Gwyndolin-chan said: Moreover, I strongly recommend replacing Point Strike with Infected Clip to form Viral damage. ROFLMAO 🤣 Because we always need to build crit weapons for status and status weapons for crits - on the forum if no where else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proscriptor Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Canach said: ROFLMAO 🤣 Because we always need to build crit weapons for status and status weapons for crits - on the forum if no where else... you're funny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatboyPrincess Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Canach said: ROFLMAO 🤣 Because we always need to build crit weapons for status and status weapons for crits - on the forum if no where else... i gave you my thoughts because of the mathematical superiority of the setup i recommended go ahead and visit overframe.gg or any of the other many convenient warframe build websites that feature DPS metres personally I like overframe because it actually does account for how much of a DPS increase HM gives which is to say not as high as I think is worthwhile but go off on your weird allistic bullS#&$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proscriptor Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 nothing can defeat the "i hab crit gun i put crit" logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duality52 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 13 hours ago, Yagamilight123 said: Its mediocre even using the ammo efficiency skill of helminth .... Correction, the Soma Prime did not change outside of its Riven Disposition for a long time (around three years or so). So naturally it feels weak compared to other weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Wil_Shatner_face Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Canach said: ROFLMAO 🤣 Because we always need to build crit weapons for status and status weapons for crits - on the forum if no where else... You have crit chance on your riven so you don’t want another crit mod. Diminishing returns means you don’t get as much added benefit if you just keep adding to the same damage multiplier. Replacing point strike with infected clip does not make this a “status weapon”, it gives your weapon viral damage, which is much better than cold damage and has a great status effect that will proc often despite the Soma’s low status chance, because the Soma shoots a lot of bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canach Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 Guys - Why So Cirius? Somebody needs to remember that we are WAY into the overkill zone. As described in the OP with Hunter's Munitions instead of the Hata-Satya it shreds anything I want it to. I only have 2 non-hybrid Crit weapons - the Soma Prime and the Baza Prime, and I use Hunter's Munitions with both. Maxing crits is it's own little design-hobby - and if everything dies, which it does, then I don't have a problem. Diminishing returns - yeah, so? overkill, remember? The point is to play with all the different guns and build them all different ways - I have several different active primary weapons, all of them built differently - and I'm a big proponent of some of the really nice hybrids - but not every gun in the game has to be the same, chasing some not-so-elusive meta. I built my Soma for pure crit, and am playing with the Hata-Satya (not Haki-Sak) because I want to watch crit numbers change colors - it's actually kindof cool to see the effect as you move through the mag - HS mod DOES work well enough to appreciate - just maybe not the best you can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proscriptor Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 i'd like to invite you to my sim to see if your soma does indeed shred high level armored enemies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canach Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Traubenzuckr said: i'd like to invite you to my sim to see if your soma does indeed shred high level armored enemies I have a sim, thanks! I like Steel Path better though. If you want to play the Sims, watch YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proscriptor Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 looks like you're afraid to prove that your soma "shreds". it's because it doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canach Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Traubenzuckr said: looks like you're afraid to prove that your soma "shreds". it's because it doesn't Now you're just being rude. My soma does shred. So there! 😝 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proscriptor Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 no your "cold crit soma" build is embarassing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatboyPrincess Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, Canach said: Guys - Why So Cirius? because you were/are being a $&*^ you asked for thoughts and i replied as such. i even prefaced my post with my personal bias against HM. even so, you saw fit to be a $&*^. maybe don't act like a $&*^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canach Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 Yeah, you made me laugh - then the thread got all buggered up - owell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proscriptor Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Canach said: ROFLMAO 🤣 soma without HM (ROTFL😝) soma without viral (LOL) raw cold damage build (KEK) triple-stacked critical chance (lolz0r) double-stacked punch through (ROTFLMAO ... wut?) +puncture on riven (omg 😐) no neg on riven (S A D) trash riven (🤪) ammo drum in exilus (bRUH) what do we call this? canach's big suck soma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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