Angwah Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, trst said: Increased supply also increases competition and Warframe is a game with finite demand on everything. Supply only goes up while demand only goes down. The only way the game could ever have a stable market is if it gained brand new trade willing players at a rate fast enough to combat player stockpiling/farming. Which is a rate that must constantly increase as these new players can in turn add to the ever growing supply and must account for players who only sell and never buy. Even limited trade slots isn't a solution as every single trade will still drop global demand and the limit itself would need to be high enough to appease the community, make slots cause us to trade less per day than we currently can and the community will get their pitchforks out. Some other core aspect of the game needs a reworking in order to create some ongoing stable demand of trade goods. But is the addition of something like limited blueprint inventory, fixed upgrades that require multiple sets for multiple builds, randomized stats on basic gear, or item durability worth more convenient trading? Yes, but what you are describing is independent from having an ingame AH. A portion of the player-base is trading with each other, and so far demand hasn't run dry, so, yes, there seems to be sustained influx of new traders. That X% of players engaging in trading becoming bigger will shift the supply-demand ratio in some places, yes, but the doom and gloom imploding market scenario some people are envisioning here requires that the part currently outside the market would be overwhelmingly interested in selling only and taking that platinum straight out of the market. I find that doubtful. The more likely outcome is that they will behave like the current trading population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angwah Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said: No. Understand that supply is potentially infinite in this game. Demand is restricted to people who don't yet own an item, wish to own it, are willing to pay for it, are able to pay for it, and are online. A person who lacks any of those attributes will not be a buyer. The only reason that increased sellers would result in more buying, is that the prices are reduced due to greater supply. Unfortunately since reduced prices will apply to almost every single item in the game, the potential buyer will have a much harder time selling their own stuff to get enough plat to buy the item that they want. That's going drive prices even lower because they will be desperate for a sale. Realise that this is not even a worst case scenario of the future, we already see the effects in game currently. Prices fall dramatically whenever an item is introduced, and people are absolutely willing to sell at prime junk rates for fast plat. Again, people are already trading. The infinite supply vs dwindling demand thingy is already in effect now. The imho faulty assumption here is that the part of the community which is not trading is only interested in selling, not buying. An ingame AH would increase the percentage of players engaging in trading, yes, but there is no reason to believe that those new traders would be so radically different than the already active ones once the initial effect of them entering the market place wears off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)guzmantt1977 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Angwah said: Again, people are already trading. The infinite supply vs dwindling demand thingy is already in effect now. The imho faulty assumption here is that the part of the community which is not trading is only interested in selling, not buying. An ingame AH would increase the percentage of players engaging in trading, yes, but there is no reason to believe that those new traders would be so radically different than the already active ones once the initial effect of them entering the market place wears off... Again, supply in trade is currently limited by the lack of convenience. And that's the problem, increasing the number of concurrent sellers wouldn't change their behaviour, only exacerbate the current trend, accelerating it in a positive feedback loop, leading to catastrophic failure. Understand, until the stuff gets sold, which it never will because we outnumber the potential buyers, there will be no end to what you think will be an "initial" effect. Demand is not going to ever catch up to supply for most items in the game. That's blatantly obvious to anyone who thinks about the proposal, instead of being ruled by their own greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Madurai-Prime Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Angwah said: Again, people are already trading. The infinite supply vs dwindling demand thingy is already in effect now. The imho faulty assumption here is that the part of the community which is not trading is only interested in selling, not buying. An ingame AH would increase the percentage of players engaging in trading, yes, but there is no reason to believe that those new traders would be so radically different than the already active ones once the initial effect of them entering the market place wears off... After a certain point there's not much to buy, so yes you are only selling. People that buy are newer players that need the basic stuff we already have. I asked for a basic stance mod for 5p and got 7 messages. That's guaranteed to be 1 plat along with many others. For one that has played awhile, the duplicate mods stack up, the prime frames stack up, the extra arcanes thanks to Scarlet spear stack up, the hundreds of relics people have from endurance runs (and scarlet spear) stack up, so prime parts aren't rare. Mesa Prime is already 10 to 30 plat on PS4. Loki is 300 but has been undercut to 230, so what happens when Loki and Banshee and Mag finally come back around unvaulted? Maybe in a year Mesa will be rare again, but the market has been flooded with her so long it's gonna take awhile to buy off all those Mesa Primes. In the year+ I've been playing, Mesa, Chroma, Wukong, Equinox, Limbo, and a few others are completely cheap now. Nova was rare, but not anymore, now I have a few Nova sets and that's not even actively farming them through relic shares. There are no lifers with probably 10 nova sets now, same for trinity. Blood rush now drops in Deimos, that's not rare either. I got them from spamming Lua spy and selling them max for 80 to 120+ plat. They've already begun to drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 an auction is only the final result of dealing with players who attend break the rule further which lemme bring some dusty old history book... It happen during remembering 5 years ago that market was very freely and had one heck a doodle players until a clan was made and been doing this act behind the scene for years about it took DE few years to ban their clans due of the fact these tyrant clans were making plats and scandal with riven mods which pricing riven mod very extremely low that are being sold by other players that aren't in tyrant clan then the tyrant clan bought cheap riven mods by not making things fair and raise the price of single riven mod up to 1k-10k of plats because this brought the marketing sky rocketing with plats demands and it was monster in riven mod business which some the riven tyrant was selling overly price plat as it breaks the rules of DE's contract. So many complain about this scandal and up rising riven marketing that DE have to step down their foot and ended this tyrant clan which it had so many clans follow this single tyrant clan for acted like the purest cyber bully that was made in the game. This gone out of hand during that time and so DE stomp the head of the stupid snake as the rest the snakes being stomped 1 by 1 like blink of the eye but some players were able get away with large amount of plat still for it was enough of thous snakes scurry into another hiding spot in their dens. As soon as we know, thous tyrant maybe lurking in the shadow waiting to get their chance to strike again at the market again as they are waiting for the opening again. That is about it what happen in the marketing but if the marketing still going chaotic in utterly madness I think it is best not deal with them for the fact as new players are confused about the marketing for new players don't do marketing for it is hell hole in there. At the time being the marketing is ment for free of trade that is right about now the marketer players worried that there will be no free trading because the auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angwah Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said: Again, supply in trade is currently limited by the lack of convenience. And that's the problem, increasing the number of concurrent sellers wouldn't change their behaviour, only exacerbate the current trend, accelerating it in a positive feedback loop, leading to catastrophic failure. Understand, until the stuff gets sold, which it never will because we outnumber the potential buyers, there will be no end to what you think will be an "initial" effect. Demand is not going to ever catch up to supply for most items in the game. That's blatantly obvious to anyone who thinks about the proposal, instead of being ruled by their own greed. I am one of those active traders, thank you very much, I am not ruled by anything, least of all greed ;-) Anyway, everything you are describing should have already happened to the current market. Beyond limiting the participants to those willing to jump the hoops, the current set-up only delays potential transactions slightly. If I'm buying I look at warframe.market for example, I whisper some people until I find someone who notices, we trade. If I'm selling I activate my stock and when I notice someone whispering me we trade. There is a lively and rather large market in place already. It is just like an ingame auction house, just one which is a bit of a hassle to use. It doesn't just limit supply, it also limits demand, because people either use the current tools, or they don't. You participate or you do not. That said, I would not advocate an unrestricted AH where you could put up as many items as you want. Limits on the inventory you can have up for sale would be a great deal more effective in mitigating the infinite supply situation than the current set-up where those who are engaged in trading have their entire stock listed, having an impact on the setting of prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Madurai-Prime Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, ChaoticEdge said: an auction is only the final result of dealing with players who attend break the rule further which lemme bring some dusty old history book... It happen during remembering 5 years ago that market was very freely and had one heck a doodle players until a clan was made and been doing this act behind the scene for years about it took DE few years to ban their clans due of the fact these tyrant clans were making plats and scandal with riven mods which pricing riven mod very extremely low that are being sold by other players that aren't in tyrant clan then the tyrant clan bought cheap riven mods by not making things fair and raise the price of single riven mod up to 1k-10k of plats because this brought the marketing sky rocketing with plats demands and it was monster in riven mod business which some the riven tyrant was selling overly price plat as it breaks the rules of DE's contract. So many complain about this scandal and up rising riven marketing that DE have to step down their foot and ended this tyrant clan which it had so many clans follow this single tyrant clan for acted like the purest cyber bully that was made in the game. This gone out of hand during that time and so DE stomp the head of the stupid snake as the rest the snakes being stomped 1 by 1 like blink of the eye but some players were able get away with large amount of plat still for it was enough of thous snakes scurry into another hiding spot in their dens. As soon as we know, thous tyrant maybe lurking in the shadow waiting to get their chance to strike again at the market again as they are waiting for the opening again. That is about it what happen in the marketing but if the marketing still going chaotic in utterly madness I think it is best not deal with them for the fact as new players are confused about the marketing for new players don't do marketing for it is hell hole in there. At the time being the marketing is ment for free of trade that is right about now the marketer players worried that there will be no free trading because the auction. I know English is a second language for you, but that was difficult to read. Are you trying to say that people don't want an Auction house because a clan used to have the monopoly on expensive rivens? And a few of them are still here and don't want an auction house so they can continue selling expensive rivens? Because the auction house is about more than just rivens.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)guzmantt1977 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, Angwah said: I am one of those active traders, thank you very much, I am not ruled by anything, least of all greed ;-) Anyway, everything you are describing should have already happened to the current market. Beyond limiting the participants to those willing to jump the hoops, the current set-up only delays potential transactions slightly. If I'm buying I look at warframe.market for example, I whisper some people until I find someone who notices, we trade. If I'm selling I activate my stock and when I notice someone whispering me we trade. There is a lively and rather large market in place already. It is just like an ingame auction house, just one which is a bit of a hassle to use. It doesn't just limit supply, it also limits demand, because people either use the current tools, or they don't. You participate or you do not. That said, I would not advocate an unrestricted AH where you could put up as many items as you want. Limits on the inventory you can have up for sale would be a great deal more effective in mitigating the infinite supply situation than the current set-up where those who are engaged in trading have their entire stock listed, having an impact on the setting of prices. You're very much welcome, and everything I described already exists. Literally. And any auction house, restricted or not, still increases the availability of supply, NOT the availability of buyers. That's the root of the problem, you see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0_The_F00l Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, (PS4)Madurai-Prime said: So you're willing to control everyone's sales just because you personally don't like rivens? You do realize you personally don't get to control or decide how the AH works, right? I am really not sure why you focused on rivens, and ignored the rest of my points. I PERSONALLY dont care about riven trade , its been bloated cause DE cannot balance their guns and has made things worse by introducing a broken mechanic that promotes gambling . But i understand others like it and some provisions can be made for them, You are free to add your own thoughts on how the AH can handle Rivens , mine was just one. No one player is making a decision here , it wouldn't be discussion otherwise. If you actually read my post , i have mentioned it is an opinion and i have already said that final decision on how or if to implement it lies with DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, (PS4)Madurai-Prime said: I know English is a second language for you, but that was difficult to read. Are you trying to say that people don't want an Auction house because a clan used to have the monopoly on expensive rivens? And a few of them are still here and don't want an auction house so they can continue selling expensive rivens? Because the auction house is about more than just rivens.... don't slap that down excuses to the person grammar is old school. Its old school grammar and no you can't delete old school unless you want to deal with the worster that is one of "thous" grammar and uwu/owo grammar (yes there is now a thing uwu grammar also they made officially did make owo grammar as a grammar and if you want blame who made the owo grammar, you blame the next generation making bunch new grammar that is going be more worst broken grammar then this) Spoiler At the time being that is correct ppl don't want auction because they "fear" of it the fact are they are afraid for the free of trading will be gone but more likely they are wrong but not only that I forgot to say DE had said "it have to make a 3rd party group" which bot or some kind have to keep on eye on all these players which in real world auction there is always a 3rd person party checking and deducting like tax in % they will deduct what you getting the money from the auction. It is like that and it make different from other auction but this is one those players phobia things that players always get scared of about the auction. It makes no different for me for the fact, I been doing auction too selling whole bunch of stuff in other video game but also prefer the grand exchange like RS because well it is heck one of balance worth it for it would be nice sell credits fast that way only but at the same time players wanted or demand plats only so pretty much I been blocked by that one. Anyway at the time being back to the subject. That is the reason why they fear it, the reason why they are number 1 worried all the time that every earning of that plat you done trading will go to the toilet and so much hard work you work for the riven mod to get a good riven as they think it will become a nightmare like Ebay. When Ebay is illegalling selling riven mods still which I am surpised DE didn't march to Ebay and start pressing charges and sueing. Spoiler https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=warframe+riven&_sacat=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)guzmantt1977 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, ChaoticEdge said: don't slap that down excuses to the person grammar is old school. Its old school grammar and no you can't delete old school unless you want to deal with the worster that is one of "thous" grammar and uwu/owo grammar (yes there is now a thing uwu grammar also they made officially did make owo grammar as a grammar and if you want blame who made the owo grammar, you blame the next generation making bunch new grammar that is going be more worst broken grammar then this) Reveal hidden contents At the time being that is correct ppl don't want auction because they "fear" of it the fact are they are afraid for the free of trading will be gone but more likely they are wrong but not only that I forgot to say DE had said "it have to make a 3rd party group" which bot or some kind have to keep on eye on all these players which in real world auction there is always a 3rd person party checking and deducting like tax in % they will deduct what you getting the money from the auction. It is like that and it make different from other auction but this is one those players phobia things that players always get scared of about the auction. It makes no different for me for the fact, I been doing auction too selling whole bunch of stuff in other video game but also prefer the grand exchange like RS because well it is heck one of balance worth it for it would be nice sell credits fast that way only but at the same time players wanted or demand plats only so pretty much I been blocked by that one. Anyway at the time being back to the subject. That is the reason why they fear it, the reason why they are number 1 worried all the time that every earning of that plat you done trading will go to the toilet and so much hard work you work for the riven mod to get a good riven as they think it will become a nightmare like Ebay. When Ebay is illegalling selling riven mods still which I am surpised DE didn't march to Ebay and start pressing charges and sueing. Reveal hidden contents https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=warframe+riven&_sacat=0 It's not. It's that the ideas in your head aren't making sense when you are posting. Do us a favour and type in your native language, and just put it in google translate. I don't think that the results will be any worse than what we're seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said: It's not. It's that the ideas in your head aren't making sense when you are posting. Do us a favour and type in your native language, and just put it in google translate. I don't think that the results will be any worse than what we're seeing. Ok, Thy not know yet nay ye for the thy for told for neither among understand by thou, but auction may come with thy price with another member by thy cost but causing fearing the by thy person who auction by the items of these he owe that goods. Thy art thy fear doing auction because thy fear it to be like ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Madurai-Prime Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, ChaoticEdge said: don't slap that down excuses to the person grammar is old school. Its old school grammar and no you can't delete old school unless you want to deal with the worster that is one of "thous" grammar and uwu/owo grammar (yes there is now a thing uwu grammar also they made officially did make owo grammar as a grammar and if you want blame who made the owo grammar, you blame the next generation making bunch new grammar that is going be more worst broken grammar then this) Reveal hidden contents At the time being that is correct ppl don't want auction because they "fear" of it the fact are they are afraid for the free of trading will be gone but more likely they are wrong but not only that I forgot to say DE had said "it have to make a 3rd party group" which bot or some kind have to keep on eye on all these players which in real world auction there is always a 3rd person party checking and deducting like tax in % they will deduct what you getting the money from the auction. It is like that and it make different from other auction but this is one those players phobia things that players always get scared of about the auction. It makes no different for me for the fact, I been doing auction too selling whole bunch of stuff in other video game but also prefer the grand exchange like RS because well it is heck one of balance worth it for it would be nice sell credits fast that way only but at the same time players wanted or demand plats only so pretty much I been blocked by that one. Anyway at the time being back to the subject. That is the reason why they fear it, the reason why they are number 1 worried all the time that every earning of that plat you done trading will go to the toilet and so much hard work you work for the riven mod to get a good riven as they think it will become a nightmare like Ebay. When Ebay is illegalling selling riven mods still which I am surpised DE didn't march to Ebay and start pressing charges and sueing. Reveal hidden contents https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=warframe+riven&_sacat=0 Presenting an argument requires that argument to be understood. I was asking for clarification. Thanks for providing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)guzmantt1977 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 On 2020-09-14 at 4:22 PM, ChaoticEdge said: Ok, Thy not know yet nay ye for the thy for told for neither among understand by thou, but auction may come with thy price with another member by thy cost but causing fearing the by thy person who auction by the items of these he owe that goods. Dude seriously your posts are hard to understand, to the point that the majority of your posts are incoherent. Please just write as clearly as you can in your native language and let Google translate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockscl Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 En 13/9/2020 a las 5:16, alex51xx dijo: Nope its doesn't . You need to fly in dojo . With auction u just post an item and wait . "Double coincidence of presence" is the only thing that makes trading a social experience in warframe, automatizing the whole process would make it banal and destroy part of warframe´s culture, thats the only reason for why i have always been against auction in this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angwah Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said: You're very much welcome, and everything I described already exists. Literally. And any auction house, restricted or not, still increases the availability of supply, NOT the availability of buyers. That's the root of the problem, you see? I disagree. Saying that by increasing the number of players trading only the supply side will increase, not demand makes no sense at all. It would only change the supply-demand ratio if the current active traders are a totally different demographic than the non-traders, or, alternatively, if under the current set-up selling has way more hurdles thrown into its way than buying. The latter is not really the case in my experience. Typing WTB or WTS in trade chat is exactly the same amount of effort and making an account on warframe.market isn't exactly such an involved affair either. On top of that, selling is the side of the equation with the largest incentive. As to the former, the current percentage of players engaging in trade seems to me a large enough chunk to be relatively predictive of what the supply-demand ratio's will end up at, and it is those which will determine the prices, not the absolute numbers. Again, there is trading now. Whether it is 10, 100, 1.000, 10.000 or 100.000 traders in a pool, if the percentages of people looking for item X vs those who are offering remains about the same, than so will the price. Do you honestly believe that currently a majority who wants to buy something will enter the market and buy it from another player, while at the same time refusing to sell? Because that is what is needed to crash the market. I am more inclined to believe people either trade or they simply do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Anyway, to the main subject as we go on talking about the auction. We all easily understand auction seem a good to use and assume as good but not all players are for the auction for they still go against it because we all know they fear 1 things for that 1 thing is actually scared there will be no freedom of trading. I believed the players misunderstood auction trading is symbol good sign which we really don't need eliminate the free of trading, they will exist but it is obvious that there will be a center for players who want to do auction can do auction to see the lvl where they are at will they win big or not. I understand auction is sound bad but also sound good for there is good chose and bad chose every-time for peeling a band-aid off where the wound is already healed which by I mean the marketing is set to a limited how much time it will auction. For there could be only a 5 min of auction time for it to be sold for it isn't a bad idea for we don't want mods going wrong direction or either it raise the price too high like the event happen during the time tyrant moment where the clan did their "personal auction" they still too have to limited the plat where they are started at from 0 to the limit bar where it is being sold as to be. Players has an option to gain good plats and might break away that type of hoarding riven mods that players been holding on to until to the point recycling it for it is an upper hand for the players to gain "grofit" but assuming if DE willing to make auction which due of the DE said they have to create a 3rd party to actually sort the auction which means by bots and moderator have to check in if the auction is following correct in order and little more hazarded may grow issues for that is why DE don't want make an auction system into the game which understand your side DE making a new system auction. At the time being, DE can able make auction system but same time making 3rd party deal with the auction system may complicated things a lot further unless they got help by Tencent getting the auction system in then probably less complaining what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)guzmantt1977 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Angwah said: I disagree. Saying that by increasing the number of players trading only the supply side will increase, not demand makes no sense at all. It would only change the supply-demand ratio if the current active traders are a totally different demographic than the non-traders, or, alternatively, if under the current set-up selling has way more hurdles thrown into its way than buying. The latter is not really the case in my experience. Typing WTB or WTS in trade chat is exactly the same amount of effort and making an account on warframe.market isn't exactly such an involved affair either. On top of that, selling is the side of the equation with the largest incentive. As to the former, the current percentage of players engaging in trade seems to me a large enough chunk to be relatively predictive of what the supply-demand ratio's will end up at, and it is those which will determine the prices, not the absolute numbers. Again, there is trading now. Whether it is 10, 100, 1.000, 10.000 or 100.000 traders in a pool, if the percentages of people looking for item X vs those who are offering remains about the same, than so will the price. Do you honestly believe that currently a majority who wants to buy something will enter the market and buy it from another player, while at the same time refusing to sell? Because that is what is needed to crash the market. I am more inclined to believe people either trade or they simply do not. Disagree all you want. Supply and demand affect price, and since quality of goods isn't a factor, its the most important concern for a buyer. Selling is the side with the incentive, but it's also the side where competition is a factor, so prices drop. We see this with every single new item that is released. The price plummets within the first 24 hours for most of them. And no demand doesn't remain constant. Every buyer inevitably gets removed from that side and becomes a seller. Our gear doesn't degrade, need repair or replacement. Ever. So sellers always goes up. Buyers only goes up when we get new players. If the auction house is created, they won't have a chance to sell, in order to become buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatboyPrincess Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said: Disagree all you want. Supply and demand affect price, and since quality of goods isn't a factor, its the most important concern for a buyer. Selling is the side with the incentive, but it's also the side where competition is a factor, so prices drop. We see this with every single new item that is released. The price plummets within the first 24 hours for most of them. And no demand doesn't remain constant. Every buyer inevitably gets removed from that side and becomes a seller. Our gear doesn't degrade, need repair or replacement. Ever. So sellers always goes up. Buyers only goes up when we get new players. If the auction house is created, they won't have a chance to sell, in order to become buyers. It's ultimately good for players that the market crashes. Then they can spend more on stuff from DE, making plat a more worthwhile purchase. The buying power of each plat also increases, so whatever trades in this horrible new market world that do happen will still benefit the seller when they choose to buy a new item instead of grind for it. For the record, our equipment does effectively degrade. Balance passes (the meta change from Corrosive to Viral dictated every player spend at least one more Forma to be able to equip Primed Cyro Rounds) and power creep will demand more Forma and better equipment (more Forma). There will always be a chance to sell so long as some players are exiting the game. As long as DE is introducing new content, new markets (and respective sellers and buyers) are being created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)guzmantt1977 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gwyndolin-chan said: It's ultimately good for players that the market crashes. Then they can spend more on stuff from DE, making plat a more worthwhile purchase. The buying power of each plat also increases, so whatever trades in this horrible new market world that do happen will still benefit the seller when they choose to buy a new item instead of grind for it. For the record, our equipment does effectively degrade. Balance passes (the meta change from Corrosive to Viral dictated every player spend at least one more Forma to be able to equip Primed Cyro Rounds) and power creep will demand more Forma and better equipment (more Forma). There will always be a chance to sell so long as some players are exiting the game. As long as DE is introducing new content, new markets (and respective sellers and buyers) are being created. FFS, if the market crashes, we all lose. The F2P players won't be able to get slots, and leave, the sellers won't have any buyers, and the game as a whole will suffer. And until it vanishes from your inventory or need to be repurchased, "rebalancing" doesn't actually degrade anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markus230 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gwyndolin-chan said: It's ultimately good for players that the market crashes. Yeah, good luck making plat as a F2P player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angwah Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 48 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said: Disagree all you want. Supply and demand affect price, and since quality of goods isn't a factor, its the most important concern for a buyer. Selling is the side with the incentive, but it's also the side where competition is a factor, so prices drop. We see this with every single new item that is released. The price plummets within the first 24 hours for most of them. And no demand doesn't remain constant. Every buyer inevitably gets removed from that side and becomes a seller. Our gear doesn't degrade, need repair or replacement. Ever. So sellers always goes up. Buyers only goes up when we get new players. If the auction house is created, they won't have a chance to sell, in order to become buyers. Yes, I know, you said so before. Of course the price for new items is unstable, starting high when almost noone has had the time to acquire it, followed by a steep drop as the community catches up. You are however refusing to address my point. Supply and demand has plenty of listings on warframe.market or trade-chat rated higher than 1 platinum. If tomorrow, for some magical reason, 10 times the current number of players start actively using trade chat and warframe.market, all prices would remain in the same order of magnitude. Because unless, for an equally magical reason, those newcomers are a radically different type of player, one who would only sell stuff and refuse to use the platinum they have earned to buy things in return, nothing would change. Because that is how supply and demand works. Sure, it is not a linear function, so stuff that is cheap will become cheaper, but the stuff that is expensive will become even more expensive, but even so, it will all remain in the same ball-park. Now, you and others who predict a market crash, tell me what makes you believe this? Why do you believe that the current trading community has this completely different profile than the potential new users should the market become more accessible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)guzmantt1977 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Angwah said: Yes, I know, you said so before. Of course the price for new items is unstable, starting high when almost noone has had the time to acquire it, followed by a steep drop as the community catches up. You are however refusing to address my point. Supply and demand has plenty of listings on warframe.market or trade-chat rated higher than 1 platinum. If tomorrow, for some magical reason, 10 times the current number of players start actively using trade chat and warframe.market, all prices would remain in the same order of magnitude. Because unless, for an equally magical reason, those newcomers are a radically different type of player, one who would only sell stuff and refuse to use the platinum they have earned to buy things in return, nothing would change. Because that is how supply and demand works. Sure, it is not a linear function, so stuff that is cheap will become cheaper, but the stuff that is expensive will become even more expensive, but even so, it will all remain in the same ball-park. Now, you and others who predict a market crash, tell me what makes you believe this? Why do you believe that the current trading community has this completely different profile than the potential new users should the market become more accessible? No they wouldn't, prices are NOT stable and haven't ever been. They're in a state of slow decline. When warframe.market was introduced people whined about the rapid drop in prices. The only things that are exempt from oversupply are ultimately the unique items, like rivens, and items no longer found in the game. That's why I told you, that it's not different, just faster. That's what makes me believe this. Taking a long view, not a snapshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)The Neko Otaku Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Auction house will never happen as it takes away player engagement. The current trade chat will keeps you playing as you see intrest in other items and think well i do have lots vaulted relics i could run or i can get that mod easily that'll be quick 50p. An auction house you don't play the game at all why would any developer want that? Everyone who wants auction house doesn't want to play the game and have basically reveled how lazy they are as talking to people is just that hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatboyPrincess Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said: FFS, if the market crashes, we all lose. The F2P players won't be able to get slots, and leave, the sellers won't have any buyers, and the game as a whole will suffer. And until it vanishes from your inventory or need to be repurchased, "rebalancing" doesn't actually degrade anything. 1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said: No they wouldn't, prices are NOT stable and haven't ever been. They're in a state of slow decline. When warframe.market was introduced people whined about the rapid drop in prices. The only things that are exempt from oversupply are ultimately the unique items, like rivens, and items no longer found in the game. That's why I told you, that it's not different, just faster. That's what makes me believe this. Taking a long view, not a snapshot. wow, it sounds like you're just waiting for the inevitable crash then, and paralyzed by that fear, defend a trade system engineered to be S#&$ty and inefficient weird sounds to me like the market crash is ultimately good since then we can rip off the bandage and deal with the underlying issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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