(PSN)Hopper_Orouk Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I've seen so many people replacing it with another ability from the helminth, or generally find it useless I mean, it's not OP but it's definitely got utility, more than what you ask for. Plus it's cool, has cool sound animations and design Probably could've been better if the rewind on death didn't stagger you though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonDragon Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 The animation and concept is cool, but the execution is a little more annoying than it's worth, imo. I would have liked to be able to drop a beacon to teleport/rewind back versus doing something for 15-20 seconds and immediately popping backwards. More PoP: Sands of Time style for a "OH CRAP" rewind ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnossosTNC Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Her 1 already does a good job keeping her alive, while her 3 already keeps her Energy well filled, especially when combined with Arcane Energize. The only thing left is the damage, and that's just too situational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_of_Psi Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I don't, I love her 4th. Guess people with motion sickness and just want her to have a press 4 to win, won't do much with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C11H22O11 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I like it but I got rid of it on the main build cause most missions is just bad to have it rewind you 6 rooms ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Sentiel Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I just don't see any good use for it. Her 1 and 2 usually keep everything dead like Mesa on steroids, so I'd rather replace it with Roar, which synergizes with her passive and gives me and my team a massive damage boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khazlol Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 what is it even good for? i never used the ability for anything practical :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firedtm Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, (PS4)Hopper_Orouk said: I've seen so many people replacing it with another ability from the helminth, or generally find it useless I mean, it's not OP but it's definitely got utility, more than what you ask for. Plus it's cool, has cool sound animations and design Probably could've been better if the rewind on death didn't stagger you though It is just not a practical skill to use, everything is dead, or it is going to die with your weapon, or your ability one or two. I have found my self more annoyed with the skill, than being useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrEkli Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 It's very useful for defense, excavation and interception missions. Basically anywhere there's a "sticky" objective that has enemies constantly attacking it. So those that don't use it, just haven't found the use for it. If there is an area that can use extra coverage or you need to wipe out a group and anchor yourself to another objective, use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Hopper_Orouk Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, khazlol said: what is it even good for? i never used the ability for anything practical :P Well for starters it makes me feel safe spraying kuva kohm's bullets without worrying about ammo efficiency It -kinda- protects me from death when her Grenade casting time is too slow I don't know, i just love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)TheMadCash Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 It hardly gets any use. Like its amazing on paper, animation is awesome but I never had a “Lemme pop this ability because I could die here” or “lemme pop this ability because I’m about to use more energy than normal”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IggySnow Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 it basically requires you to think ahead 10-20 seconds to make good use out of it. And IDK about anyone else but when im playing warframe its 99% reaction based, and not planning based Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie_mastyr Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Its not that i didnt like it, i just use it a lot less than her other 3 abilities, and it was the only ability i could see doing without Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mover-NeRo Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I like the theme and there is alot of work behind it but as was mentioned. The real usefulness is very limited. Just by replacing it with Roar for example you get buff to your other abbilities. Its the less usefull abbility from her kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Hyperion Rexx Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Who wants to go backwards in a mission ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0_The_F00l Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Its cool but its not very effective , Any ability that takes me back a few tiles is kinda a deterrent than an incentive, Even with the "abilities are effectively free" gimmick its just not worth using for me, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract7777 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 57 minutes ago, Circle_of_Psi said: I don't, I love her 4th. Guess people with motion sickness and just want her to have a press 4 to win, won't do much with her. Oh really? I was looking forward to trying that ability but now... meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract7777 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, HerpDerpy said: it basically requires you to think ahead 10-20 seconds to make good use out of it. And IDK about anyone else but when im playing warframe its 99% reaction based, and not planning based I think it would have made more sense for a more robust version of her current passive to be one of her abilities, and the Rewind to be some kind of passive that has a cooldown, but saves you from death, and takes you back to where you were a certain time/place before your death, or something like that. Basically more like an automatic savior thing and not something like makes you basically plan ahead to use a panic button ability, that would still make sense with the quest and not mess that whole thing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_of_Psi Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Tesseract7777 said: Oh really? I was looking forward to trying that ability but now... meh. Yeah, the issue with the power is that it quite legit rewinds you, so for example you bullet jump wall to wall and just jump into the air and what not, it rewinds that at like x10s the speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Graysmog Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Maybe if her 4 did something Protea's kit didn't already do, people would use it more. Clearly Energy is not an issue with Protea, and while her Passive can even affect her 4, the damage on it is quite ... awful all things considered. I would say, at the very least, her 4 should refill everything (Health, Energy, Ammo, etc) and only act as a refresh no matter the situation. It might be interesting to make it so her Energy and Ammo bar completely freeze, letting you expend as much ammo and abilities as you like. Maybe have it so the cap on her abilities is removed for the duration of the cast, and have her rewind occur much, much faster. I'd say the utility aspect of it really needs to be buffed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract7777 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, Circle_of_Psi said: Yeah, the issue with the power is that it quite legit rewinds you, so for example you bullet jump wall to wall and just jump into the air and what not, it rewinds that at like x10s the speed. Oh noes... the ability sounded really cool, but now I think about it, it would probably make me sick pretty fast... I get motion sick doing certain things in games. Witcher just destroyed me riding on the horse.... even after turning down motion blur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_of_Psi Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Tesseract7777 said: Oh noes... the ability sounded really cool, but now I think about it, it would probably make me sick pretty fast... I get motion sick doing certain things in games. Witcher just destroyed me riding on the horse.... even after turning down motion blur. Yeah..it all depends on how you get motion sickness, even if you turn down things. I don't get motion sickness but it does hurt my eyes after a while and the fact you have Zero Control over when you are rewinded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LumilSilvermoon Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 it's was easy to answer this question. If you want to use helmith, what skill you will replace on Protea. You will replace drone that help both cc,damage and recovery shield?, you will replace one of good dd skill that nice in range, damage and effi.? Or you will replace one best support ability? Or lastly one that got some useful but very hard to utilize? I don't think it's that hard to weight. actually i'm not hate that ability, it's just if i need to choose one it's was easy choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jhura Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 It just feels wrong for her kit. On some chronometer frame? Maybe, if it had good synergy, I could see it working. But with Protea, her 1 and 2 are great for damage, her 1 and 3 are great for survivability and keeping energy and ammo up, i mean there isn't a point where I want to use it. I even said when they first showed her off that I would have much preferred a bomb or exalted gun or something to the temporal anchor as it just doesn't mesh well with kit or theme. Now Vauban's tesla nervos and the augment, Wisp's bread surge, or Rhino's roar all feel a lot better and work better with her kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridian Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, HoustonDragon said: More PoP: Sands of Time style for a "OH CRAP" rewind ability. This x2. If it was like this I wouldn't play another frame ever again. Unfortunately: It's not very reliable in terms of energy regen, is it because of bugs or whatnot, but energy often doesnt regen. It's damage portion can't be relied on, since there's no actual idea how many enemies there will be at the end of it. Worst of all, casting it feels definitive. You will be at a place, which you may or may not like to be after a while and nothing can change that once you've tapped 4. It can basically only be used reliably as a survival tool. In my case I have a pretty high duration build, so a null star does exactly that, with less steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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