Should most of conclave be removed?

[redkunaz]

Or at least make it only 2 gamemodes, lunaro team and team death match?

 

why this post?

 

Conclave barely has a playerbase.

The players it has are tryhards that just want to flex on people destroying any new players and making any new player want to avoid conclave,

the whole environment is toxic

It's extremely hard to find a game , expecially a "fair" one that at least has 4 members in each team.

 

I would prefer if conclave rewards were available to have in different ways and conclave just was removed all together we wouldn't lose much on a PVE game. I understand conclave has a small player base of dedicated players, but i think making millions of players happy would be better than making the small minority of conclave players happy that just want other players to suffer in the game mode.

 

Conclave is a waste of engine resources, it's horrible to level up there , it's horrible to play and the devs clearly don't want to bother with it.

 

Personally i would prefer to put onions on my eyes than play conclave. I feel like uninstalling the game every time i try conclave.

Don't worry i suffered too, they removed trials , the thing i loved the most about the game.

[trst]

So remove it because you think the environment is toxic? Might as well remove pubs as well since they have toxic environments as well. Gonna need a far better reason to remove content than that.

And yes before it's brought up Trials did have genuine reasons to be removed in addition to having few players and an often toxic environment.

[redkunaz]

8 minutes ago, trst said:

So remove it because you think the environment is toxic? Might as well remove pubs as well since they have toxic environments as well. Gonna need a far better reason to remove content than that.

And yes before it's brought up Trials did have genuine reasons to be removed in addition to having few players and an often toxic environment.

I don't think it should be fully removed , just part of it so finding games is easier for everyone.

"Or at least make it only 2 gamemodes, lunaro team and team death match? "

What i really want is just to not be forced o play it because most prime weapons don't have skins outside the conclave ones.

[(XBOX)YoungGunn82]

DE should move mods and skins over to Steel Path and then leave conclave for those that want it.

[trst]

8 minutes ago, redkunaz said:

I don't think it should be fully removed , just part of it so finding games is easier for everyone.

"Or at least make it only 2 gamemodes, lunaro team and team death match? "

What i really want is just to not be forced o play it because most prime weapons don't have skins outside the conclave ones.

Games are hard to find because it's incredibly unpopular. Remove modes and chances are the that some regular conclave players will outright quit entirely thus making the problem worse. Also condensing the modes available wouldn't do a thing for toxicity.

And wanting skins for prime weapons isn't a problem with Conclave but a problem with cosmetic options. Just having more weapon skins made or having more models available for Tennogen artist is a better solution than stripping out parts of Conclave. Also if you just want to play Conclave in the first place just join the community Discord and form groups from there.

[Okami_Amaterasu]

"I don't like it so it should be removed"

No thanks, there's still a playerbase in Conclave. It's not eating up any kind of 'resources' because there's none being dedicated to it in the first place. Conclave hasn't gotten an update in like a year now and is in a pretty sad state. If you don't like Conclave, simply don't play, nobody is forcing you.

[Tesseract7777]

I don't see conclave going anywhere.

The fact of the matter is that there IS a dedicated base of people who still play it, and overall it just really doesn't take up much but the occasional passing attention of the devs time. They don't need to babysit it or do a lot of coding.

So there's literally no reason to remove it right now. They would just upset a dedicated group, even if it is only a few thousand, whose only crime is enjoying an underplayed gamemode, let em have it. 

Trials were removed because the amount of dev work to keep them even barely functioning versus the amount of time players actually spent playing them was not even close in terms of dev time efficiency. They required far, far more effort than conclave ever has or will, were constantly slowing them down with costly and gamebreaking bugs, and it was very hard to get the community to try them due to how many people expected voice chat near the end, and how toxic it became if you weren't already experienced. It wasn't worth all the development time so it was removed, at least in the form it was in. 

Don't ask for conclave to be taken away just because your toys were taken away. If my parents took away my bike as a kid for being bad, I don't go try to break other kids bikes... I try to convince my parents to give me my bike back. 

[DrivaMain]

Just let it rot. They can have their dead gamemode.

[CaptainMinty]

I gave conclave a shot a while back. Got to the last rank specifically for the skins. I'm a fan of PvP. Warframe was clearly not designed with PvP in mind. It needs to go, or be redone entirely. PvP in warframe was, and still is terrible, save for one exception. Only one part of PvP in Warframe is actually good. Lunaro. Namely because Lunaro has a good set of rules, and mechanics designed around Warframe's movement system. It works because the Warframe becomes solely a fashion choice, everyone is on the same playing field, there is no gear that makes you better or worse, it is all skill.

To counter the argument that Conclave isn't hurting anything else, I will say it is gating some very cool cosmetics behind putting a good amount of time in conclave. I personally think that putting such nice cosmetics in there is kind of a bummer, matchmaking is pretty much nonexistent and I have to imagine that when someone well experienced in conclave walks in against those who aren't because the matchmaking doesn't care, it must suck for those folks on the lower bar who just want to get through it to get skins.

If you guys in the PvP realm really want to keep it, fine. But take those skins and dump them elsewhere. Take all those Conclave unique items and dump them elsewhere in the game. Baro maybe? Other syndicates? Other places. I'd like to see it cut to trim some fat off of Warframe (and I very much love Lunaro and miss playing it dearly but finding a match when I want to play it? Impossible) and Conclave is just an utter mess. The only difference is that unlike trials, Conclave doesn't break every update. And I'm betting that's the sole reason it's still around. If Conclave broke each major update, I'm sure they'd have cut its life support long ago, just like the Trials.

[BahamutKaiser]

I'm still waiting for a Nightwave objective to remind me that conclave exists. I just don't feel compelled to try it when they have a completely different load out, and every attempt to learn more only teaches me how awful it is. 

[Yakhul]

Conclave should be turned into Necramech Battle Arena, and Teshin should change jobs to mechanic to fix our Necramechs after each fight.

[AConfusedBird]

ive attempted conclave a couple times in my time playing warframe, and every time my experience has been "this isnt fun at all". all the work ive put into making myself tough is completely erased. matchmaking is impossible because the only people who play are playing at the higher level, so i can take off my training wheels and get smeared across the wall, or i can leave training wheels on and not find anyone to play with. the way to get points SEEMS to be completing mini missions inside the battles, but when i have managed to drag a clanmate into trying it with me, i satisfied the conditions of several mini-goals and didnt get the requisite points, and i dont know if that's because they're broken, or because i didn't win the match so of course all my points are forefeit, because thats fair, obviously.

and i tend to play videogames to have fun... so i'm probably never going to touch conclave. it sucks cos theres a lot of neat stuff locked away behind conclave rewards.

never going to forgive that one tenno who pitched such a fit that steve took the UNIVERSAL medallions functionality away from conclave ...

[(PSN)psycofang]

3 hours ago, redkunaz said:

The players it has are tryhards that just want to flex on people destroying any new players and making any new player want to avoid conclave,

 

Why do people use projections as if they are valid examples? They arent. 

[0_The_F00l]

I want the skins though .... i kinda am stuck at hurricane level cause i cant find squads to play with.

They should add some of the obvious competitive but non warframe mobility game modes to the conclave like K drive racing , operator / mech /Transference only deathmatch.

I actually enjoyed the snowball fight they had done .... many years back.

[844448]

Sorry to say, conclave doesn't take any significant resources to keep and there are people who like the conclave and my only gripe is the minuscule standing gain compared to exp gained from playing it (500 exp per kill and 1000 per objective and you only get up to 100+ on one match)

And being unpopular doesn't make it reasonable to remove game modes to only 2. If any, DE should add more. What we have currently are

- Free For All (pretty self explanatory)

- Team Deathmach (pretty self explanatory)

- Cephalon Capture (Capture The Flag)

They should add more like

- Area Control (Domination) with attacking and defending side

- Escort (Objective escort)

- Interception

etc

[Marvelous_A]

Just leave it as is, I mean yes obviously the many game modes just serve to dilute its already pathetically tiny playerbase, and obviously having fewer game modes means players will be easier to match other players, but in the current situation any change to the Conclave will only be considered a disrespect to the players. Sure they are the relative minority here but they are also a vocal one. I doubt the effort to make changes will be worthwhile at all DE probably don't even bother to think of it.

At least if DE doesn't do anything those players get to enjoy whatever they are enjoying and the situation will not worsen further.

[Aadi880]

Its better to make the mode more popular than removing game-modes to reduce wait times (it doesn't even have that many game modes to begin with for it to suffer mode saturation)

In PvE, the maps (updated ones) mixes well with the parkour, which mixes well with the gunplay damage. In conclave, you have maps meant on parkour 1.0 running on 2.0, which in-turn made the gunplay lackluster and forcing to use extremely specific weapons and even exploits just so players can hit zipping players.

I think just increasing the weapon damage 3x higher would do much better. Its already not possible to one shot because of shield gating unless if you hit the head.

[(XBOX)NoTownGhost]

Yes. Virtually no one plays it, the people who do are so toxic they make TF2 players seem genuinely polite,it can never be properly balanced and it goes against the apparent warframe philosophy of squad warfare against hordes of enemies...not each other.

 

Not to mention the whole p2p multiplayer system DE uses is not conducive to pvp...

[Kontrollo]

4 hours ago, redkunaz said:

Should most of conclave be removed?
Or at least make it only 2 gamemodes, lunaro team and team death match? ...

No thanks.

If only I had a dime for every time i see someone...

• call for the removal of something some of us enjoy playing
• namecalling (although "tryhard" is rather ordinary, might want to be more creative next time 🙄)
• then turn around and blanket labelling it toxic

Yeah, talk about cognitive dissonance there.

 

Here's a hot take, though: instead of removing more game modes, how about having one dev invest the one day it'd take to address the worst offenders they introduced with past PvE updates? That'd make for a much better experience for everyone and more people willing to play it (again), to boot.

By the way, they already removed a game mode (and never brought back the mini events). Ironically enough, these were the easiest to get into because they were independent of Warframe stats, weapons and mods. In the interest of everyone, I'd rather they add those back into the game again.

 

Now here are a few tips to find games:

• First, know how matchmaking works:
  • There are hard separations of queues between game modes (obviously), Recruit Conditioning on/off, and regions.
  • It's possible to start restricted games, make sure your normal matchmaking is set to public, and not solo or friends/invite only. There's also another toggle for Clan/Alliance only in the Conclave screen.
  • Maybe you need to adjust your ping limit.
  • Full lobbies are obviously not showing up, might have to try again later.
  • PC has player hosted dedicated servers, regular matchmaking as fallback.
• You're most likely to find games in the respective evenings of the EU and NA regions, and of all the modes most likely in Annihilation.
• Simply put people you like to play with in your friends list, and join their games. Not everyone is playing public games (although for standing, that's a must).
• There's the Community Discord (invite link) that can help with it, too. Lunaro has one as well, but it's small.

 

1 hour ago, AConfusedBird said:

matchmaking is impossible because the only people who play are playing at the higher level, so i can take off my training wheels and get smeared across the wall, or i can leave training wheels on and not find anyone to play with. the way to get points SEEMS to be completing mini missions inside the battles, but when i have managed to drag a clanmate into trying it with me, i satisfied the conditions of several mini-goals and didnt get the requisite points, and i dont know if that's because they're broken, or because i didn't win the match so of course all my points are forefeit, because thats fair, obviously.

Yes, easiest way to get standing is completing the daily and weekly challenges. Make sure you're playing in public games, though, and play a round to its end. If you're certain you did all that, sounds like a case for support.

Feedback asking for better matchmaking (ideally it would be skill-based) goes as far back as 2015, and all that was ever implemented is Recruit Conditioning. Did a quick summary of that in another post:

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On 2020-08-10 at 9:53 AM, Kontrollo said:

Here's a small part of the timeline for Conclave 2.0 (current implementation). Got introduced in spring 2015, and there were some calls for better matchmaking already in that year. Here's what Joe said in the roadmap thread in autumn 2015 (that was in a time where some devs actually read this subforum):

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About 6 months later we got Recruit Conditioning pretty much in its current form:

• Progression entirely based on Syndicate rank-up
  • Which also means we've had squatters who refuse to rank up ever since (e.g. read through other thread).
  • It's still entirely possible to be someone completely new to the game and face someone with hundreds of hours of PvE, and there's nothing that would change that experience for you unless you only play against friends, because there's only either RC or non-RC, no better way of matchmaking.
• Hard separation between RC and non-RC
• Gold mods disabled in RC
• No proper explanations

Some of the things written in this thread sound like it's somehow the players' fault that for whatever reason the devs put this -- and only this -- particular solution in place instead of something better.

[AConfusedBird]

so i'm forced to play publicly, with random people instead of friends, if i want to gain standing? that... sucks. :( pub matches in PvE are tolerable, because we're all working toward the same (or at least a similar) goal. pub matches in PvP has so much potential for bad feelings that it's not even worth it, for me personally.

sigh. 

[Circle_of_Psi]

Eh, PvP has no place in games like this.

 

Good riddance to it, if it gets removed

[Fl_3]

It was suggested that a PvP mode based on Dog Days should be added, basically whatever frame you picked with no abilities and skills and fixed hit points using super soakers to squirt each other all in the name of good old fashioned fun.

Of course, since this suggestion came from the player base it was totally ignored.

Bit of a pity really, it would have worked really well.

[(PSN)Lollybomb]

When raids were removed, didn't they have a larger playerbase than conclave?
Although I do understand that the reason raids were removed was because they had a tiny playerbase, and they required unique tweaks any time anything else changed in the game.  Conclave on the other hand just sits and goes all but unplayed, but at least doesn't demand extra work.

[HeartPurity]

I am alright if DE wanna bulldoze the whole conclave and put the conclave rewards in the arbitration store/ teshin steel path store. The conclave lobby is dead anyway.

[(XBOX)YoungGunn82]

On 2020-09-14 at 8:07 PM, DrivaMain said:

Just let it rot. They can have their dead gamemode.

I want those delicious mods for PvE tho?! 🥰