(XBOX)Graysmog Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 minute ago, (XB1)The Repo Man151 said: I did read your post. That's why I'm asking you why you want it removed. I don't see the point of it? A very abysmal portion of the playerbase knows about it, let alone even plays it. So, keep it I guess, or get rid of it, I don't care much either way. Yet if DE put up a community vote I'd say to get rid of it, as it doesn't really have a reason to exist, like Frame Fighter. Basically, if DE's not going to invest any amount of real effort into making the gamemode worth playing, and most of the community plays this game for the PvE anyways and either doesn't know the mode exists or is literally fighting DE at every turn to make it relevant, why even bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)The Repo Man151 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, (XB1)Graysmog said: literally fighting DE at every turn How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Graysmog Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, (XB1)The Repo Man151 said: How so? Have you seen what happened with Universal Medallions? People asked for them to apply to Conclave and folks from Conclave said that wouldn't be fair, so they didn't go through with it. Previously before that DE had to keep out any way to earn Conclave rewards outside of Conclave, as people kept trying to find a way to get stuff from Conclave without running it. This is an example of making the rewards from Conclave not exclusive, and the Conclave community fights DE about it, I don't see that as an issue since there's nothing there outside of cosmetics, but the point is there. For people fighting Conclave itself, look at all the posts here and anywhere else Conclave is ever brought up. People complained quite a bit about Lunaro after it was released and DE even admitted the gamemode was a pretty bad move on their part, as it was just them trying to emulate a fad at the time (Rocket League). Remember Solar Rails and how everyone had a terrible time with it because it forced people to earn nothing running missions? That's a notorious example of people not exactly favoring PvP in general, and while it is quite a more egregious example, it helps make sense of why people hate Conclave so much, especially when a lot of the Clans focused around the gamemode aren't exactly known for being nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)The Repo Man151 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, (XB1)Graysmog said: Remember Solar Rails and how everyone had a terrible time with it because it forced people to earn nothing running missions This wasn't the case for the vast majority of nodes. Here are some screenshots that say otherwise There are some taxes listed here in this thread as well However, those don't represent the final taxes and standing of people who controlled Solar Rails. That data was from about 6 months before the end of the conflicts. I honestly expected a better argument that wasn't based on fallacy and plain ignorance. The fact of the matter is, with the bonuses on the dark sectors(which were only there to begin with because of the Conflicts), you made more money even with the taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotyke Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, (XB1)Graysmog said: emember Solar Rails and how everyone had a terrible time with it because it forced people to earn nothing running missions? T Actually, it was because of the players themselves. The rewards (credits) were fully on the Alliance/Clan to give. They could give up to 1M Credits IIRC. 1M Credits was a big deal at the time. They made a bank with, say: 10M Credits, and the reward for each run would be 1M. Which meant only 10 squads would ever get that. They coordianted with the squads of their Alliance so when they put the reward, the squad would just finish the mission and grab the money back while those who saw and didnt know of the plot, ran the mission and got squat. And there was the taxes. The Infamous message of a Mega Alliance (Alliance of Alliances made outside the game) that I do NOT know how I still remember to this day "I heard you like zeros" and put tax to 100% on ALL Dark Sectors they owned, which was almost all of them. And that is not counting the sabotages, with people of the opposite Alliance, joining the enemy one as a host and twearking their cable to force Host Migrations. Dude, earning nothing was one of the lowest reasons why DE put the permanent Armestice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)The Repo Man151 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, Kaotyke said: Actually, it was because of the players themselves. This is true. Certain groups hoarded information on the system to maintain control. Information that could have been explained by DE in a tutorial, but wasn't. 14 minutes ago, Kaotyke said: The rewards (credits) were fully on the Alliance/Clan to give. They could give up to 1M Credits IIRC The first part is true. Clans and Alliances could give way more than 1 million credits, however. 16 minutes ago, Kaotyke said: They made a bank with, say: 10M Credits, and the reward for each run would be 1M. Which meant only 10 squads would ever get that. This isn't true. It's technically possible, but it wouldn't be delivered to the squads. It would be delivered on a per-player bases. So to be more precise, the first 10 players would get their reward. 17 minutes ago, Kaotyke said: And there was the taxes. The Infamous message of a Mega Alliance (Alliance of Alliances made outside the game) that I do NOT know how I still remember to this day "I heard you like zeros" and put tax to 100% on ALL Dark Sectors they owned, which was almost all of them. No. That only happened on one Rail for a single day. They also didn't own all of the Rails. Hear is that screenshot They also weren't formed as an alliance outside of the game. 37 minutes ago, Kaotyke said: And that is not counting the sabotages, with people of the opposite Alliance, joining the enemy one as a host and twearking their cable to force Host Migrations. This only worked for the offensive side because offense hosted the match. But that isn't entirely true anyway, because the host migration would just put you in a match without any defenders so it would be very easy to complete. The real sabotage was joining on the offensive side and dying over and over again to drain lives. 39 minutes ago, Kaotyke said: Dude, earning nothing was one of the lowest reasons why DE put the permanent Armestice. I agree. To me, it is very ironic. There were significant problems with the Solar Rail systems. I am more aware of that than 99.99% of people. That isn't an exaggeration. I can count the number of people who know "everything" about the system on two hands. However, the real and systemic problems that Solar Rails had aren't the ones that get mentioned on the forums. Instead, I just read endless drivel on taxes and muh pvp bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)caoshen0625 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Queued for a match the other day, end up spending 20 mins practice parkour. Then queued for a lunaro match, got beaten by a dude with default excal skin&color...... this place SAACKs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thowed Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 DE needs to just move the skins somewhere else. It'd be new content for most of the player base to grind for given how many actually play conclave. Leave the dead game mode for the ten people that play if you must but stop holding the skins hostage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDMblue Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just combine it with steel path. We turn in the cubes get rep. Players who sat hours and hours just trading wins wins are going to have to live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihillian Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I would love to see the number of players actually playing the game mode on a daily basis. I don't see a reason to remove it OR keep it really. They can do either and I wouldn't care but the stuff in there? Well... wasted content if you ask me. Then again, not really an issue with just Conclave... there are many things in this game that is a gimmick and barely played at all. So much stuff you could scrap and almost no one but a couple people would truly care. Removing them makes the game smaller, less chances at bugs on certain things (bigger game with more code = more chances at bugs that can happen) Conclave, Frame fighter, etc... these things were fun for a bit but not something to keep in the game forever. Sometimes you gotta scrap things that just aren't played (or barely played). That makes me wonder.... does anyone really play archwing missions? (specifically Archwing only) Can barely get a match myself when I was trying to get mods so I just decided to sell a riven and buy some of the mods and transmute the boatload of mods I have at a chance for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
----Legacy---- Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 49 minutes ago, BDMblue said: Just combine it with steel path. We turn in the cubes get rep. If the issue is tying it to the game's economy somehow, Teshin should literally sell stuff like orokin catalysts, reactors again (like he used to do before PvE players cried for PvP rewards being too good), forma blueprints and all the frames and weapons available in it even if it's in the shape of blueprints and premade parts (or the resources to craft them if you want to add another timegate) since that's basically all the stuff a player may ever need to access for pvp since currently warframe's mindnumbing PvE is the only way to get most of the content enabled for pvp. Also, if that was ever done i see no reason for Teshin to not sell us steel essence for conclave standing; he's all about challenging players after all and making conclave an efficient way to get steel essence may encourage players to play it more than the current rewards since the exchange could be better than hours upon hours of seeing an automated Khora mash 1 and 4 while the entire squad runs a macro to avoid the afk detection. 21 minutes ago, Nihillian said: the stuff in there? Well... wasted content if you ask me. Ehh, do you really want to talk about how keeping some gear exclusive to "a very small group of players" turns it into "wasted content"? At least conclave rewards are just cosmetic stuff and provide no benefits nor mastery progression unlike certain warframe, certain gun and certain melee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihillian Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 True, no benefits from there besides cosmetics. Though Endgame of WF is FashionFrame :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BahamutKaiser Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 You can add me, I've been curious about Conclave for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
----Legacy---- Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Nihillian said: True, no benefits from there besides cosmetics. Though Endgame of WF is FashionFrame :) Do you realize that the meme you use to make a point was born from how warframe's gameplay is so easy and mindnumbing that its endgame is in the appearance customization screen? Btw, your double standard is lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)MAKEthemSUPPER Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Why are people using ONE guy's tweet and Steve's rediculous decision to listen to him to say that 'all conclave players' are gatekeeping? What the heck is this supposed to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)The Repo Man151 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, (XB1)MAKEthemSUPPER said: Why are people using ONE guy's tweet and Steve's rediculous decision to listen to him to say that 'all conclave players' are gatekeeping? What the heck is this supposed to be? Get used to it. There are many irrational people on the forums that are offended that Conclave even exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)MAKEthemSUPPER Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 My thing is why the hell does steve listen to one random salty guy and not the people actively wondering why DE has just decided not to balance it anymore? With the melee and aheild gating changes conclave is more fun than it has ever been before...but no one's playing it because people will show up with a rediculous amount of cheese. Like mire and tigris. And when we ask DE to balance it en masse, we get ignored. Starting to feel like the whole 'no universal for conclave' thing was set up specifically so they don't have to touch conclave again. And now we dont have frames like vauban and ember anymore, because rather than add any new frames in, they take out old one's during reworks. It's been a year sjnce DE claimed they were temporarily removing Ember, and idek wtf happened with vauban. Why not just leave their old abilities in there? You know, like with Nyx? How the heck did they put an 800 damage shotgun in there? How did the kuva bramma even make its way into conclave? Legitimately losing my hecking mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)The Repo Man151 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 10 hours ago, (XB1)MAKEthemSUPPER said: My thing is why the hell does steve listen to one random salty guy and not the people actively wondering why DE has just decided not to balance it anymore? With the melee and aheild gating changes conclave is more fun than it has ever been before...but no one's playing it because people will show up with a rediculous amount of cheese. Like mire and tigris. And when we ask DE to balance it en masse, we get ignored. Starting to feel like the whole 'no universal for conclave' thing was set up specifically so they don't have to touch conclave again. And now we dont have frames like vauban and ember anymore, because rather than add any new frames in, they take out old one's during reworks. It's been a year sjnce DE claimed they were temporarily removing Ember, and idek wtf happened with vauban. Why not just leave their old abilities in there? You know, like with Nyx? How the heck did they put an 800 damage shotgun in there? How did the kuva bramma even make its way into conclave? Legitimately losing my hecking mind. DE hasn't touched Conclave in a significant manner for 3 years now. They don't bother flagging new weapons as disabled in PvP half the time. Numerous PvE changes carry over into Conclave and destroy the mode. Personally, I have to disagree with you about this being the most fun Conclave has ever been. I'd peg the update before PoE as the most fun Conclave has ever been. Melee shouldn't be able to autoblock 100% of damage, back in the day melee only blocked %s of damage and it worked just fine. I'm generally fine with the rest of the melee changed but the blocking is too strong now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)The Repo Man151 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 13 hours ago, Nihillian said: no benefits from there Except for, you know, enjoyment of the mode. It doesn't resonate with everyone but some people enjoy playing the mode. Do you remember when people played games for fun instead of endlessly hounding after rewards like a dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES-Flinter Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 16 hours ago, (XB1)MAKEthemSUPPER said: My thing is why the hell does steve listen to one random salty guy and not the people actively wondering why DE has just decided not to balance it anymore? Because it's almost impossible to find the one with the right opinion. Even experts have differnet opinions. And then there are people who don't know what they don't know, but scream their opinion in public and others listen to them. Sadly does DE tend to listen to the loud people and not the smart ones... Actually in situation like this it's cleverer to listen to the minority. Unless the minority says something stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)The Repo Man151 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 hours ago, ES-Flinter said: And then there are people who don't know what they don't know, but scream their opinion in public and others listen to them I agree wholeheartedly. People scream incoherent things about a game mode they know nothing about and others take them seriously. It is dangerous, really. 3 hours ago, ES-Flinter said: Actually in situation like this it's cleverer to listen to the minority Especially when that minority cares deeply for the mode and genuinely wants to see it get the care it deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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