About Kavat genetic codes.

[(PSN)SentientSword234]

Alright not to be an e-karen or nothing but like. This is outright unacceptable, you're telling me that a 25% drop chance on an item I need ten of that requires something  outside of normal acquisition methods is intended?

You aren't even expected to get enough for a SINGLE kavat(est 5-10 codes) after scanning the 50 or so kavats in the sands of intros. The farm is so abysmally  bad that the best advice is to not interact with this content at all, and instead to go farm stuff to sell for plat. 

 

Like. I can expect at least one Kubrow egg in 5 missions. I cant even expect one kavat genetic code  in 5 missions.

The disparity between Kubrow time to get and kavat time to get is infuriatingly not ok. You guys remember when the kubrows came out and the response was "oh S#&$ we made a slot machine" and then you removed the feature whole sale?

 

Yeah can we get that energy back? Because if I have to spend 130 plat give or take to guarantee the kavat im after Or spend (according to my own estimates im no mathematical wizard) upwards of 50 hours smashing my brain into deimos to have a totally random chance of getting just.  A kavat. Is not acceptable 

And no. Before anyone says anything, smeetas loot doubling is not powerful enough to warrant this absolute nonsense.

 

Now I'm not one to point out problems without offering solutions  so here we go. Big galaxy brain time: to solve this problem you dont gotta change drop rates, get methods none of of that. All you gotta do is make it one genetic code, hell maybe two if you wanna keep that hell grind mood to it and suddenly its a reasonable  amount of time to spend on what is essentially  a chance to get what you want. 

[Steel_Rook]

Agreed. I've said as much myself. It feels like DE slapped Kavats together when initially releasing them and just threw a placeholder acquisition mechanic to get them out the door. In typical DE fashion, they never went back to actually improve it, so now we're stuck with trying to take pictures of lolcats as our sole means of acquisition. Well... That or buying Genetic Samples with money. The VERY least DE can do is shift the Genetic Sample away from photographing the cats to a drop for killing them. And yes, I realise I just advocated killing cats, but FFS! This game's scanning mechanic is NOT compelling enough to lock so much crap behind!

Or how about this. How about we get 1 Kavat Genetic Sample for a Perfect Capture on a Vasca Kavat? Or maybe I'm being too greedy. How about a 25-50% chance of getting a Genetic Sample from a Perfect Capture on a Vasca Kavat? How about anything that we can pursue deliberately, rather than loading into maps, hoping RNG gives us cats in the first room and abandoning if not?

[FueledByPotatoes]

If you farm kavats on the steel path, with a sleeping ability like Equinox's rest, you can get them pretty easily, I got few of them with booster, once you farm them farm a lot of them, they're not that hard to get.
 

Take equinox max range max duration max efficiency, or just infuse this ability on another warframe (maybe loki), and sleep whole rooms, take the scanner out, take the widest frame you can and wait for that thing that highlights all enemies in green and look for a kavat.. it's easy no need to buy them ever again.

[Aldain]

1 minute ago, -Potato-13 said:

If you farm kavats on the steel path, with a sleeping ability like Equinox's rest, you can get them pretty easily, I got few of them with booster, once you farm them farm a lot of them, they're not that hard to get.

That is not a solution, if anything that outlines the problem even more.

There are literally 3 qualifiers in that post before the "easy" factor comes in, Steel Path (starchart completion), a specific Warframe, and a booster.

For something as simple as getting scanned resources for a pet there shouldn't be a three step program to get them with any consistency.

[(PSN)SentientSword234]

3 hours ago, Steel_Rook said:

Agreed. I've said as much myself. It feels like DE slapped Kavats together when initially releasing them and just threw a placeholder acquisition mechanic to get them out the door. In typical DE fashion, they never went back to actually improve it, so now we're stuck with trying to take pictures of lolcats as our sole means of acquisition. Well... That or buying Genetic Samples with money. The VERY least DE can do is shift the Genetic Sample away from photographing the cats to a drop for killing them. And yes, I realise I just advocated killing cats, but FFS! This game's scanning mechanic is NOT compelling enough to lock so much crap behind!

Or how about this. How about we get 1 Kavat Genetic Sample for a Perfect Capture on a Vasca Kavat? Or maybe I'm being too greedy. How about a 25-50% chance of getting a Genetic Sample from a Perfect Capture on a Vasca Kavat? How about anything that we can pursue deliberately, rather than loading into maps, hoping RNG gives us cats in the first room and abandoning if not?

Yeah  there's a ton of possible solutions to this its a really simple problem

 

3 hours ago, -Potato-13 said:

If you farm kavats on the steel path, with a sleeping ability like Equinox's rest, you can get them pretty easily, I got few of them with booster, once you farm them farm a lot of them, they're not that hard to get.
 

Take equinox max range max duration max efficiency, or just infuse this ability on another warframe (maybe loki), and sleep whole rooms, take the scanner out, take the widest frame you can and wait for that thing that highlights all enemies in green and look for a kavat.. it's easy no need to buy them ever again.

Yeah to quote the other guy that just really outlines the problems. If I'm a fresh new account and want to have an even remotely  tolerable farm I have to complete the star chart x 2 , get a really specific build, a resource booster, and a steel path worthy load out? We're talking months realistically. That's asinine. Like trust me I understand that the grind is the appeal of warframe,  I agree ffs I play runescape still but when your game is over 5 years old and has been getting regular updates of new content you GOTTA take the time too make sure everything is achievable on a reasonable timescale. And let's just be honest here, the in game economy is so utterly #*!%ed on console that unless you're getting god riverns regularly youre not making any plat

 

It totally #*!%s over f2p pure accounts and forces them into one of the worst grinds in game!

[FueledByPotatoes]

3 hours ago, (PS4)SentientSword234 said:

Yeah  there's a ton of possible solutions to this its a really simple problem

 

Yeah to quote the other guy that just really outlines the problems. If I'm a fresh new account and want to have an even remotely  tolerable farm I have to complete the star chart x 2 , get a really specific build, a resource booster, and a steel path worthy load out? We're talking months realistically. That's asinine. Like trust me I understand that the grind is the appeal of warframe,  I agree ffs I play runescape still but when your game is over 5 years old and has been getting regular updates of new content you GOTTA take the time too make sure everything is achievable on a reasonable timescale. And let's just be honest here, the in game economy is so utterly #*!%ed on console that unless you're getting god riverns regularly youre not making any plat

 

It totally #*!%s over f2p pure accounts and forces them into one of the worst grinds in game!

You're right. I didn't keep these in mind, since I can already do everything in the game I find it harder to put myself into beginners' shoes. Yup, kavats are weird and DE needs to change them.

[(PSN)SentientSword234]

57 minutes ago, -Potato-13 said:

You're right. I didn't keep these in mind, since I can already do everything in the game I find it harder to put myself into beginners' shoes. Yup, kavats are weird and DE needs to change them.

Cheers bud, always good to see someone their viewpoint 

[fr4gb4ll]

true, in comparison to kubrows kavats are more of a pain to farm for (even if you take the 'old' amount of eggs instead of what we have nowadays) but in reality, farming  the dna isn't much harder to do if you do it with one of several set of frames, equipment and locations (meaning steel path here)... add a certain mindset to it of how to do it, and you can get the dna for one cat in two or even one solo run any derelict mission except defense.

[Traumtulpe]

On 2020-09-24 at 2:49 AM, (PS4)SentientSword234 said:

25% drop chance

Double on the Steel Path, so 50%. You think that is low? How about a 0.2% chance from a boss enemy that takes half an hour to even get to (and is not affected by Steel Path)? That's Necramech Streamline by the way.

[quxier]

On 2020-09-24 at 8:16 PM, (PS4)SentientSword234 said:

Yeah to quote the other guy that just really outlines the problems. If I'm a fresh new account and want to have an even remotely  tolerable farm I have to complete the star chart x 2 , get a really specific build, a resource booster, and a steel path worthy load out? We're talking months realistically. That's asinine. Like trust me I understand that the grind is the appeal of warframe,  I agree ffs I play runescape still but when your game is over 5 years old and has been getting regular updates of new content you GOTTA take the time too make sure everything is achievable on a reasonable timescale. And let's just be honest here, the in game economy is so utterly #*!%ed on console that unless you're getting god riverns regularly youre not making any plat

If you are new then you won't even have incubator (for raising kubrows/kavats). Afair the earliest planet you can earn Nanospores (needed for incubator) is Saturn or once a week (not allways) from Maroo's sculpture hunt. So you are 1/2 of the Starchart. That's not a new player. You should have a frame that let you freeze or slow down kavats. You probably have the Frost or maybe even the Limbo (not sure about it).
You don't need to complete starchart. You don't need boosters. [Hek], you may not even need specific frame. Even more, you may even kill kavat and scan it (I'm not sure, I haven't tested it for a long time).

For solo players (probably more for a team) you get probably 4-6 kavats per DerelictDeimos node. It should get's you 2-3 per run. You just need to get a widget from Cephalon Simaris for 25k standing that doubles the scans (40-ish % chance). Sure, it requires some effort at first (even more for low MR). The problem is if you want one item then it's horrible experience. Like new Helmint system. You need to rank 3 levels in a new syndicate in order to buy the System. It takes some time. However each level offers you some weapons. However if you don't need them.... that would be bad.
 

On 2020-09-24 at 2:49 AM, (PS4)SentientSword234 said:

You aren't even expected to get enough for a SINGLE kavat(est 5-10 codes) after scanning the 50 or so kavats in the sands of intros.

That's RNG for you. Sometimes you need to beat a boss 20 times, sometimes 3 (1 time for each part). That's the general problem, not only related to kavats. (Probably) many people asked for "less random" RNG (trading parts, increase of chance after each try etc) but I don't see a change.

[xombob89]

I had to farm 10 for khora again, for helminth, and after about 15 missions of scanning those kavats I got ZERO codes... So I just bought all of them with plat. 

Sometimes I feel like they make these extremely tedious in purpose so youd spend more plat... I mean cosmetics for plat, great, but single resources like this? Greedy. 

[Grey_Star_Rival_Defender]

The initial grind's pretty bad, yeah. But then if one combines the scanner improvements and boosters, it becomes a 50% chance for 2 to 4 codes from a Kavat, and there's around 4-6 Kavats per exterminate mission. Paying money leads to having more codes than one knows what to do with, but not paying money leads to abysmal grind. It's, questionable, and I don't really know what to say considering how easily codes can be acquired in late game but so annoying early game.

[xombob89]

2 hours ago, Grey_Star_Rival_Defender said:

The initial grind's pretty bad, yeah. But then if one combines the scanner improvements and boosters, it becomes a 50% chance for 2 to 4 codes from a Kavat, and there's around 4-6 Kavats per exterminate mission. Paying money leads to having more codes than one knows what to do with, but not paying money leads to abysmal grind. It's, questionable, and I don't really know what to say considering how easily codes can be acquired in late game but so annoying early game.

I have the upgraded gear and still got none. Maybe its bugged. 

[Grey_Star_Rival_Defender]

8 minutes ago, xombob89 said:

I have the upgraded gear and still got none. Maybe its bugged. 

Well, I define upgraded gear as 1. Maxed Simaris scanner 2. An easy, spammable stun for Kavats 3. A melee capable of one-shotting Infested in Steel Path and 4. Booster abuse.

If you have both resource boosters on Steel Path, it's 100% chance for 2 Kavat Codes, which can double from the Simaris scanner. The 4-6 Kavats that spawn then translate to 1 Kavat per mission, roughly, with maximum booster abuse. Without the boosters though, code rate decreases terribly.

[quxier]

7 hours ago, xombob89 said:

I have the upgraded gear and still got none. Maybe its bugged. 

Are you sure that you are scanning wild (feral?) kavats in the DerelictDeimos not-open-world nodes? Scanning kavats from Hyeka master won't get you genetic codes.
If you are doing it correctly then you may be one of those people with bad luck (bad RNG). They should make everything (not specific to the genetic codes) achievable in reasonable time. Hence, things like you mentioned should appear.

[(PSN)SentientSword234]

On 2020-09-26 at 4:14 PM, Traumtulpe said:

Double on the Steel Path, so 50%. You think that is low? How about a 0.2% chance from a boss enemy that takes half an hour to even get to (and is not affected by Steel Path)? That's Necramech Streamline by the way.

I mean. Look there's a difference between a one time mod drop and a 10x grind  but that is pretty ass ngl

 

On 2020-09-26 at 2:58 PM, fr4gb4ll said:

true, in comparison to kubrows kavats are more of a pain to farm for (even if you take the 'old' amount of eggs instead of what we have nowadays) but in reality, farming  the dna isn't much harder to do if you do it with one of several set of frames, equipment and locations (meaning steel path here)... add a certain mindset to it of how to do it, and you can get the dna for one cat in two or even one solo run any derelict mission except defense.

I mean that's fair tbh but in a game this grind intensive i really can't justify THIS intense of a grind

21 hours ago, Grey_Star_Rival_Defender said:

Well, I define upgraded gear as 1. Maxed Simaris scanner 2. An easy, spammable stun for Kavats 3. A melee capable of one-shotting Infested in Steel Path and 4. Booster abuse.

If you have both resource boosters on Steel Path, it's 100% chance for 2 Kavat Codes, which can double from the Simaris scanner. The 4-6 Kavats that spawn then translate to 1 Kavat per mission, roughly, with maximum booster abuse. Without the boosters though, code rate decreases terribly.

And we return to the awful realization that I shouldn't need to spend plat (or more realistically get lucky from a sortie) to have a tolerable grind as opposed to an awful hell grind

[_Anise_]

I built khora and maybe 4 or 5 cats before when you needed to build keys to access this place and build myself a second khora for helminth after they removed the key requirement.

protips

if you summon a ghost of the kavat you can scan it again via the ghost. odds upto 50% per cat (this is mentioned on the wiki)

if you have the scanning widget you can chance get double scans. potential 4dna per kavat

if you bring a smeeta you can get double drops on your double scans potential 8 dna per kavat ?

can bring the chances up even more running it on steel path all without spending anything

[(PSN)SentientSword234]

15 hours ago, _Anise_ said:

I built khora and maybe 4 or 5 cats before when you needed to build keys to access this place and build myself a second khora for helminth after they removed the key requirement.

protips

if you summon a ghost of the kavat you can scan it again via the ghost. odds upto 50% per cat (this is mentioned on the wiki)

if you have the scanning widget you can chance get double scans. potential 4dna per kavat

if you bring a smeeta you can get double drops on your double scans potential 8 dna per kavat ?

can bring the chances up even more running it on steel path all without spending anything

Thats not how percentages work

[_Anise_]

9 hours ago, (PS4)SentientSword234 said:

Thats not how percentages work

, I had 8 items proc from 2 drops before, when I expected 4... not sure it knows how percentages work either... whatever, I was just trying to help, take it or leave it