Is it true that migration Console > PC is impossible, no matter what?

[Kaffeebohnson]

When Warframe gets ported to new systems, there usually is a migration period for people to switch to the new platform.

There was one for PS4, XB1, and Switch. I took the last one from PC to Switch, which was a hardcore downgrade for sure, but portable Warframe is plenty impressive, convenient and (for now) works remarkably well, despite the technical limitations. 

That said, I sorely miss experiencing all the astonishing art in 1080p60 and beyond. For some time I have secretly hoped for another round of account migrations, especially with the new consoles on the horizon. (next gen Warframe is all but confirmed by [DE]Steve, as well as by common sense). But I also picked up somewhere that migration from console back to PC is absolutely impossible due to legal reasons? Does anyone know more about that?

I am not planning on getting a new console, but would love to crawl back to PC and rejoin them after a (great) stint on the weakest platform - I kinda fear I inadvertently migrated into a technological dead end??

[Dark_Lugia]

- https://forums.warframe.com/announcement/65-decommunity-faq/

 

The best you can hope for is a cross-save feature, but that's in very early shoes, so don't expect that any time soon.

And for the new consoles they might give more info once they are aviable or the game gets released.

[Eluminary]

 I I started on PS4 and moved over to PC restarting not as bad as you would think I was able to quickly catch my PC account up to my PS4 one.  Restarting not to far from a tennocon relay helps get up to speed quicker. I had around 2500 hrs on my PS4 account too so its not like I barely started there then moved.

[(PSN)I_I_Hope_I_I]

5 hours ago, Dark_Lugia said:

- https://forums.warframe.com/announcement/65-decommunity-faq/

 

The best you can hope for is a cross-save feature, but that's in very early shoes, so don't expect that any time soon.

And for the new consoles they might give more info once they are aviable or the game gets released.

But wouldn't cross save just be Account Migration in the end of the day ? I mean, pretty sure it would require them more work to Cross-Save compared to Migrations, no ?

[BahamutKaiser]

These console manufactures want to keep their content hostage, anything to bring in customers, nothing to lose customers. Unless they want to do some token virtue signaling, they aren't going to release the rights to the data. 

Stop for a second and think of how they make money, and how they could lose money if you could cross play. And then remember, it's all about the money to corporations. Corpus represent 😆

[(PSN)I_I_Hope_I_I]

Just now, BahamutKaiser said:

These console manufactures want to keep their content hostage, anything to bring in customers, nothing to lose customers. Unless they want to do some token virtue signaling, they aren't going to release the rights to the data. 

Stop for a second and think of how they make money, and how they could lose money if you could cross play. And then remember, it's all about the money to corporations. Corpus represent 😆

I mean, thats how our world works, its money or nothing, and given that DE seems to favor PC, specially whit better graphics, loading times and updates, the Consoles most likely know they would lose players if DE made possible for them to just move on to PC.

[BahamutKaiser]

Your not losing players if it's cross save or cross platform. Your also not making money if they don't want to play on your platform anymore. The issue is that it's a free to play game, so they don't want to release any of the progress you've obtained, so you'll invest in purchases on their platform. To be clear, they don't want you to play, they want you to purchase. 

[(PSN)I_I_Hope_I_I]

1 minute ago, BahamutKaiser said:

Your not losing players if it's cross save or cross platform. Your also not making money if they don't want to play on your platform anymore. The issue is that it's a free to play game, so they don't want to release any of the progress you've obtained, so you'll invest in purchases on their platform. To be clear, they don't want you to play, they want you to purchase. 

Yes, but actually no.

Chances are that they would lose more players (aka "money makers") if they just let them go to PC compared to the people leaving now, losing players is the same as losing potential costumers, therefor you are both right and wrong, they need you to purchase from their online store but for that you also have to be a player to begin whit.

If I had a good PC and DE gave me the option to take all my progress from PS4 to PC I would do it, specially because I have noticed PC has better loadings and graphics whit the downside of Tennogen, but because they dont I am sticking to PS4 because of investment, and I am sure this will apply to many others.

In the end of the day, Consoles do not want to give a backdoor for their players to leave, since that would mean they are basically losing both potential online store costumers and would also be making those players not buy their next console, specially now that every single game on existence is going to PC over time.

[(PSN)Menetius]

Let's hypothetically assume for a moment that DE has discovered a reasonable way to implement Cross-Save, as well as the below.

If players were restricted to buying Platinum on their parent platform (Warframe account that started on PS4 HAS to ALWAYS purchase plat from the PSN, even when they're playing on PC) it might be enough to sate the corporate concerns for their poor, shoestrung wallets. (Spite and sarcasm heavily intended.)

Tennogen content would have to be repurchased to satisfy contractual obligations to artists. Only fair if you're using that content on multiple platforms that the artists get their cut, as per their own agreements with DE.

As for the playerbase's fear for the Plat economy... it would probably be a significant upheaval at first, but it would stabilize again, somewhere in the median between PC and console prices (leaning towards whichever platform holds greater influence over the p2p market as a whole).

The first would require some heavy re-negotiation, and on a technical level would be difficult to say the least. I really, really want Cross-Save to be a thing, but there's a lot of hurdles to overcome. (Potential Tencent acquisition of Leyou might result in opportunity for said re-negotiation, but ehhhhh... depends on how much weight Tencent can throw around MS, Sony, and Nintendo, assuming they see any worth in the endeavor in the first place.)

[SilentMobius]

21 hours ago, (NSW)Kaffeebohnson said:

There was one for PS4, XB1, and Switch. I took the last one from PC to Switch,

There is no situation either currently avaiable or even speculatively planned to enable and migration from anywhere else to PC

...That said, last time I checked the "migration" was actually and account copy. While you may have made progress on Switch your old PC account should still be there is the same state it was in before the account copy.

[(XBOX)ShadowBlood89]

On 2020-09-26 at 7:19 PM, (NSW)Kaffeebohnson said:

When Warframe gets ported to new systems, there usually is a migration period for people to switch to the new platform.

There was one for PS4, XB1, and Switch. I took the last one from PC to Switch, which was a hardcore downgrade for sure, but portable Warframe is plenty impressive, convenient and (for now) works remarkably well, despite the technical limitations. 

That said, I sorely miss experiencing all the astonishing art in 1080p60 and beyond. For some time I have secretly hoped for another round of account migrations, especially with the new consoles on the horizon. (next gen Warframe is all but confirmed by [DE]Steve, as well as by common sense). But I also picked up somewhere that migration from console back to PC is absolutely impossible due to legal reasons? Does anyone know more about that?

I am not planning on getting a new console, but would love to crawl back to PC and rejoin them after a (great) stint on the weakest platform - I kinda fear I inadvertently migrated into a technological dead end??

the next gen consoles will not have another round of pc to console as its not a totally differnt platform added in.
As its just playstation an xbox having another system to play accounts on. users still able to sign into ps5 with there ps4 accounts, xbox series x/s can still login with there xbox accounts.

DE goes through alot of red tape to allow them to copy over the users data from pc to the platform warframe was added onto.
Doubt they would allow DE to be able to do the resevse of all that work they did to just allow for pc to console

[Kaffeebohnson]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb (XB1)ShadowBlood89:

the next gen consoles will not have another round of pc to console as its not a totally differnt platform added in.
As its just playstation an xbox having another system to play accounts on. users still able to sign into ps5 with there ps4 accounts, xbox series x/s can still login with there xbox accounts.

DE goes through alot of red tape to allow them to copy over the users data from pc to the platform warframe was added onto.
Doubt they would allow DE to be able to do the resevse of all that work they did to just allow for pc to console

I hadn't even thought about that. Guess I am stuck on Switch. Time to accept my lot in life haha

[Tesseract7777]

10 hours ago, SilentMobius said:

There is no situation either currently avaiable or even speculatively planned to enable and migration from anywhere else to PC

...That said, last time I checked the "migration" was actually and account copy. While you may have made progress on Switch your old PC account should still be there is the same state it was in before the account copy.

Yeah I am confused here. I guess I understand if the OP did the copy to switch when his pc account was young and most of his progress is on switch, but it was a copy. I have a copy of my account with a ton of progress on switch, I just almost never play it because Warframe on the switch is just... Awful.

Also when I found out the account copy didn't copy my scans for the simulacrum... Not gonna lie my motivation to play on switch was drowned in about an oceans worth of salt.

[Kaffeebohnson]

vor 6 Minuten schrieb Tesseract7777:

Yeah I am confused here. I guess I understand if the OP did the copy to switch when his pc account was young and most people of his progress is on switch, but it was a copy. I have a copy of my account with a ton of progress on switch, I just almost never play it because Warframe on the switch is just... Awful.

It's true that I still have a 300 hour PC account, but I have put an additional 300 hours into the Switch version. I think re-farming everything I got would burn me out. (I know, rookie numbers, I'm ashamed too)

I will stick it out on Switch for now (actually seriously considering getting the rumored Switch Pro exclusively for Warframe, geez), quietly hoping for Cross-save one day. I am worried that Switch will either hold the game back in the near future, or get discontinued entirely. Though you'd hope they will have a refugee program in place by that point...

The accounts are still maintained on DE's own servers though, shouldn't it be legally possible to copy my Console progress back to PC?