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The overreaction to plague star's cancellation for this year really shines a light on certain parts of this community


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Mainly the ridiculous overreaction from the community and how extra these people are.

Whether it be for certain (well warranted) nerfs, or content removals, the way this community responds is that of a spoiled child

Plague Star is not coming back this year, but that does NOT mean the event is cancelled FOREVER. 

Seriously this type of hyper excessive anger and cynicism is so vitriolic that its disappointing.

What's even worse is the assumptions and conspiracies going around that because de is under a new company that they are somehow influencing the game. Now i don't know how people are gullible enough to fall for such fearmongering nonsense, or the fact that people are spreading this rumor around without any factual evidence or sources, but when you have content creators that spread such false rumors and bad faith criticism, the question of how people can fall for this really turns into whos dumb enough to not look into the source to see if DE themselves have said plague star is not coming back indefinitely. 

Its incredibly frustrating to see people reciting dishonest claims and inaccurate sources when "calling out DE" and it doesn't stop with this whole plague star controversy, ive witnessed numerous times where people use the incorrect citations when talking about the legitimate wrong doings that DE has done. I want DE to properly be critiqued because they are FAR from perfect or any of that crap, but if your one of those people that use bad faith criticisms or the endless insufferable "DE bad" crap then you should not be asking or wondering why DE does not listen to us when you over filter places like this with such innane prattle.

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2 minutes ago, (PS4)ChaosTheNerd said:

Mainly the ridiculous overreaction from the community and how extra these people are.

Whether it be for certain (well warranted) nerfs, or content removals, the way this community responds is that of a spoiled child

Plague Star is not coming back this year, but that does NOT mean the event is cancelled FOREVER. 

Seriously this type of hyper excessive anger and cynicism is so vitriolic that its disappointing.

What's even worse is the assumptions and conspiracies going around that because de is under a new company that they are somehow influencing the game. Now i don't know how people are gullible enough to fall for such fearmongering nonsense, or the fact that people are spreading this rumor around without any factual evidence or sources, but when you have content creators that spread such false rumors and bad faith criticism, the question of how people can fall for this really turns into whos dumb enough to not look into the source to see if DE themselves have said plague star is not coming back indefinitely. 

Its incredibly frustrating to see people reciting dishonest claims and inaccurate sources when "calling out DE" and it doesn't stop with this whole plague star controversy, ive witnessed numerous times where people use the incorrect citations when talking about the legitimate wrong doings that DE has done. I want DE to properly be critiqued because they are FAR from perfect or any of that crap, but if your one of those people that use bad faith criticisms or the endless insufferable "DE bad" crap then you should not be asking or wondering why DE does not listen to us when you over filter places like this with such innane prattle.

Couldn't agree more.

Just look at that one post someone made picking on DE because the forums didn't show "Warframe" at the top left.

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I wish this community would make more of an effort to look for the source of the information they keep repeating or are even being upset about.

 

For years people repeated stuff like:

"No Warframe will be Primed after Vauban" Made up Source: Devstream I didn't watch so I can't tell you the #number, but totally happened.

 

Instead of just believing something some rando on region (or even your favorite youtuber), ask for the source.

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2 minutes ago, (XB1)The Neko Otaku said:

People are only mad cause the built forma and eh i just do a day of relics get a bunch of forma bp and build daily, forma isn't that big of a issue to get and i can't muster to play plauge star to bother getting the forma due to it being the worst mission in the game.

But DE never said they will remove forma from Plague Star

They only said "Plague Star is not coming back THIS YEAR, but we will add some rewards from it elsewhere."

Thats it. I saw people saying DE removed forma from Plague Star, I saw some other people saying that Plague Star was being removed from the game...

This community became one of the worst in like 5 years. I remember when it had like 20k players on Steam and was considered the best

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13 minutes ago, (XB1)The Neko Otaku said:

People are only mad cause the built forma and eh i just do a day of relics get a bunch of forma bp and build daily, forma isn't that big of a issue to get and i can't muster to play plauge star to bother getting the forma due to it being the worst mission in the game.

On top of what the OP said, this highlights another problem about the community: They don't care about actually playing the game at all. They only care about what they get for playing the game. 

Sure, it's a looter; loot is a key component of the experience. But if the reason why those  people are upset boils down to "I won't get free stuff this year" then they are way past the point of finding enjoyment in the game itself and maybe should move on from Warframe.

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I will be honest, I ran the event a few times, but even the build forma didnt make me play it beyond 5 Forma at most.

I have this feeling the Plague Zaws and the Arcanes will be going to Deimos.

But the event itself? Even Ghouls is more dynamic, having variated objectives like the normal bounties and mixing things up.

Plague Star didnt have that and that was the biggest issue I had with it. It was always: get to cave, grab toxin, do Defence, use Catalyst and Pharalixis, Find Drone, escort drone, fight a RESKIN of Lephantis.

It was those same steps over and over, no variety.

When it returns, I hope there is some mixing things up. I dont mind ending with fighting the Boil Baws (as long as its not Lephantis reskin), but some avriety in-between would be nice.

Also, to this day, I dont know if we can re-start the PS bounty in the plains, because everyone runs to the door when they finish the Baws.

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33 minutes ago, --F--NerevarCM said:

But DE never said they will remove forma from Plague Star

They only said "Plague Star is not coming back THIS YEAR, but we will add some rewards from it elsewhere."

Thats it. I saw people saying DE removed forma from Plague Star, I saw some other people saying that Plague Star was being removed from the game...

This community became one of the worst in like 5 years. I remember when it had like 20k players on Steam and was considered the best

I never said it was being remove permanently, i know that it isn't coming this year and honestly i hope it could gets reworked

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1 minute ago, Jarriaga said:

On top of what the OP said, this highlights another problem about the community: They don't care about actually playing the game at all. They only care about what they get for playing the game. 

Sure, it's a looter; loot is a key component of the experience. But if the reason why those  people are upset boils down to "I won't get free stuff this year" then they are way past the point of finding enjoyment in the game itself and maybe should move on from Warframe.

Game maker's toolkit did a video discussing  this:

Spoiler

 

Tl;Dw there was a study done a while back which suggests that extrinsic rewards can actually dull a person's intrinsic desire to engage with an activity, especially in more open ended experiences.

 

Obviously, it's a bit late by this point for Warframe to just put on the breaks in terms of Loot, but it's an interesting thought to be aware of.

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Permanent or not the fact that DE doesn't understand the events popularity as evidenced by the response reguarding forma, is just another mark showing how out of touch with their player base they have gotten.

Additionally everyone pointing out "this year" often forget that DE has outright removed content on numerous occasions despite clear benefit and interest in that content. 

There are people who have been around long enough to see promises broken and turned back on time and time again. Can you really blame people for this response to a unexplained absence of a otherwise reguarly scheduled event?

Forma is the biggest time gate for upgrade progression, dojo building, and mastery rank. Newer players might never seem to have a use for it but any player above mr16 is too many uses.

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30 minutes ago, Kaotyke said:

I will be honest, I ran the event a few times, but even the build forma didnt make me play it beyond 5 Forma at most.

I have this feeling the Plague Zaws and the Arcanes will be going to Deimos.

But the event itself? Even Ghouls is more dynamic, having variated objectives like the normal bounties and mixing things up.

Plague Star didnt have that and that was the biggest issue I had with it. It was always: get to cave, grab toxin, do Defence, use Catalyst and Pharalixis, Find Drone, escort drone, fight a RESKIN of Lephantis.

It was those same steps over and over, no variety.

When it returns, I hope there is some mixing things up. I dont mind ending with fighting the Boil Baws (as long as its not Lephantis reskin), but some avriety in-between would be nice.

Also, to this day, I dont know if we can re-start the PS bounty in the plains, because everyone runs to the door when they finish the Baws.

Oh but that's not true at all! Sometimes it was in a different cave, and the defense point used to move, then the drone used to go in different paths, and sometimes it got stuck, and then baby lephantis would sometimes get stuck too! Lots of variety!

 

But really I enjoyed doing the runs, I found it fun, in the same way the summer beach games are fun or razorback, or Balor Fomorian is fun. It's different, and something to do.

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They indeed said that it was not planned this year, understandeable since they launched Deimos recently and im pretty sure there will be soon an Operation relating to it.

Did Plague Star on january, it was my first time and I just picked zaw parts and mods. Not even farmed the formas, mission was too repetitive and well I didnt really know at that time what was forma anyway.

And now well I run relics from time to time and have almost a forma building every day.

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Just now, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Oh but that's not true at all! Sometimes it was in a different cave, and the defense point used to move, then the drone used to go in different paths, and sometimes it got stuck, and then baby lephantis would sometimes get stuck too! Lots of variety!

 

But really I enjoyed doing the runs, I found it fun, in the same way the summer beach games are fun or razorback, or Balor Fomorian is fun. It's different, and something to do.

Different tastes, I guess.

But I would prefer more variety of missions in the "there's more than 1 way to scramble eggs" method.

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52 minutes ago, (XB1)The Neko Otaku said:

People are only mad cause the built forma and eh i just do a day of relics get a bunch of forma bp and build daily, forma isn't that big of a issue to get and i can't muster to play plauge star to bother getting the forma due to it being the worst mission in the game.

While that's understandable, I don't see why DE just can't add more Forma to other modes.

Plague Star is great for Forma, but maybe it shouldn't be the only real Forma farm outside of Relics. Maybe Steel Path could have some as rewards too, I know I'd play it more often if that was the case.

I'll agree that it is a bit of an overreaction, but I also can't say I like losing out on a decent Forma farm when we got a LOT of stuff this update that just eats Forma for breakfast.

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1 hour ago, (PS4)ChaosTheNerd said:

Mainly the ridiculous overreaction from the community and how extra these people are.

Whether it be for certain (well warranted) nerfs, or content removals, the way this community responds is that of a spoiled child

Plague Star is not coming back this year, but that does NOT mean the event is cancelled FOREVER. 

Seriously this type of hyper excessive anger and cynicism is so vitriolic that its disappointing.

What's even worse is the assumptions and conspiracies going around that because de is under a new company that they are somehow influencing the game. Now i don't know how people are gullible enough to fall for such fearmongering nonsense, or the fact that people are spreading this rumor around without any factual evidence or sources, but when you have content creators that spread such false rumors and bad faith criticism, the question of how people can fall for this really turns into whos dumb enough to not look into the source to see if DE themselves have said plague star is not coming back indefinitely. 

Its incredibly frustrating to see people reciting dishonest claims and inaccurate sources when "calling out DE" and it doesn't stop with this whole plague star controversy, ive witnessed numerous times where people use the incorrect citations when talking about the legitimate wrong doings that DE has done. I want DE to properly be critiqued because they are FAR from perfect or any of that crap, but if your one of those people that use bad faith criticisms or the endless insufferable "DE bad" crap then you should not be asking or wondering why DE does not listen to us when you over filter places like this with such innane prattle.

I agree with you...

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7 minutes ago, Kaotyke said:

Because we would have people complaining about that anyways.

Also, Veil Missions have a chance to get Forma BP.

Let me rephrase that to "add more reliable ways to farm Forma from other modes".

Veil does drop Forma BP's ... at a 2.5% drop rate. That's not even worth the effort.  The Defense mission on the Derelict also has a higher drop rate of 22.56% and it hardly drops from there either.

If you're worried about complaints, just add it to the Steel Path store. Now people have more of a reason to farm it, along with Riven Slivers. 

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Just now, (XB1)Graysmog said:

Let me rephrase that to "add more reliable ways to farm Forma from other modes".

Veil does drop Forma BP's ... at a 2.5% drop rate. That's not even worth the effort.  The Defense mission on the Derelict also has a higher drop rate of 22.56% and it hardly drops from there either.

Wait... did that change with Deimos? Because if it didnt, I need to farm some.

And Mutagem Samples ARE raining from the derelicts now.

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14 minutes ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

 

No, no. I'm asking you what THEY said, not what SOMEONE ELSE said they said. That's rather the point that people are making on this thread, you see:

 

1 hour ago, 16Bitman said:

I wish this community would make more of an effort to look for the source of the information they keep repeating or are even being upset about.

For years people repeated stuff like:

"No Warframe will be Primed after Vauban" Made up Source: Devstream I didn't watch so I can't tell you the #number, but totally happened.

Instead of just believing something some rando on region (or even your favorite youtuber), ask for the source.

 

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1 hour ago, (PS4)ChaosTheNerd said:

Mainly the ridiculous overreaction from the community and how extra these people are.

Whether it be for certain (well warranted) nerfs, or content removals, the way this community responds is that of a spoiled child

Plague Star is not coming back this year, but that does NOT mean the event is cancelled FOREVER. 

Seriously this type of hyper excessive anger and cynicism is so vitriolic that its disappointing.

What's even worse is the assumptions and conspiracies going around that because de is under a new company that they are somehow influencing the game. Now i don't know how people are gullible enough to fall for such fearmongering nonsense, or the fact that people are spreading this rumor around without any factual evidence or sources, but when you have content creators that spread such false rumors and bad faith criticism, the question of how people can fall for this really turns into whos dumb enough to not look into the source to see if DE themselves have said plague star is not coming back indefinitely. 

Its incredibly frustrating to see people reciting dishonest claims and inaccurate sources when "calling out DE" and it doesn't stop with this whole plague star controversy, ive witnessed numerous times where people use the incorrect citations when talking about the legitimate wrong doings that DE has done. I want DE to properly be critiqued because they are FAR from perfect or any of that crap, but if your one of those people that use bad faith criticisms or the endless insufferable "DE bad" crap then you should not be asking or wondering why DE does not listen to us when you over filter places like this with such innane prattle.

I was on the dark about all of this, only heard rumors about plague star, the forma reward, etc. But thanks to you, and a few videos I saw on the matter, I now have a more clear view of the situation, and personally, let me praise your very good use of words.

Yes, Plague Star wont be coming back, THIS YEAR. I did re watched the HomeTime stream, and never I heard Pablo or Reb saying that plague star was canceled forever, only a few remarks about the Forma reward, and some possibly new rewards they have on plan.

Kind of funny, seeing a lot of the videos out there from Warframe content creators, use click bait titles such as "Plague Star Canceled" or "No more Plague Star?" and all i hear are just speculations on what seems to be, not enough evidence to prove their point, only the words of Pablo and Reb during that 20 second segment of HomeTime#25.

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