Archguns in Atmosphere Inconsistency?

[(NSW)Larena]

Note: This is not a legitimate criticism of complain, it's just a funny thing I realized (that may actually make total sense, I'm not a scientist)

So Archguns. You use em in space, they're huge and ridiculous and probably weigh more than Rhino's entire mass plus the Archwing itself. To use em in Atmosphere, you have to install a special device on them, a gravimag. Makes sense, usually you can only use them because they're weightless in space, so you use some weird techno magic to make it so they aren't too heavy in a planets atmosphere. Unless... You go underwater. Sharkwing allows instant and free use of your equipped Archguns even if they don't have a gravimag, and you don't have the Archguns deployer. That's kinda weird. Does being underwater create the same weightlessness as being in space? I would expect the pressure of the water (which can be pretty deep in certain Uranus tiles) to weigh them down more if anything.

Scientists can we solve this problem?

[DoomFruit]

With regards to supporting weight, NASA actually use gigantic swimming pools to crudely simulate a zero-G environment. Anything which has a similar density to water is going to float neutrally and not be pulled up or down. I've actually used this myself a year ago when I broke my arm. I went swimming and let the broken limb float freely in the water. Because gravity was effectively cancelled out, there was very little net force exerted on my arm and all the pain completely vanished. I suspect this accelerated the healing process as well (no stress on the bone, everything's lined up - all of which would be obstacles to proper healing).

However, archguns are made of metal. They're heavier than water. They would still sink, though you wouldn't have to put as much force into holding them up (the effective weight is the weight of the object minus the weight of the fluid which it displaces). The other issue is that water is extremely viscous compared to air. Imagine swinging a frying pan in the air and underwater. You'd have to do a LOT more work to move it around underwater than you would do on the surface (or in a vacuum).

[Fl_3]

My theory is this.

Archwings use gravimetric drives which push against the nearest gravity/mass to provide propulsion, that's why they don't seem to have visible thrusters.

One of the side effects of this drive is that it effectively cancels out the weight of anything close to the unit (this is why the archwing naturally hovers without control input). So, when you have your Archwing equipped the weight of its Archgun and more importantly the ArchMelee (because look at the size of those things!) is cancelled out. 

Note, that's the weight (the force exerted on an object by gravity), not the mass (a measure of an objects inertial properties) so your massive hammer can still crush your foes into oblivion and have a really slow swing and recovery time.

Because your using your Archwing underwater as well, the same theory applies to the use of Archweapons underwater, but when your equip your Archgun in a mission, there is no Archwing gravimetric drive to support it's weight, so you need a gravimag, a suspensor unit to reduce the apparent weight but again, not the mass which is why your movement is reduced while your carrying it. 

This is why we don't have archmelee, even with a gravimag, the sheer mass/inertia of it when swung would pull your warframe off straight it's feet, or, at best stagger you until you could recover.

All this is of course totally non canon.

[Corvid]

1 hour ago, DoomFruit said:

However, archguns are made of metal.

Bear in mind that this is a setting where lighter-than-air metals are a thing.

[DoomFruit]

1 hour ago, Corvid said:

Bear in mind that this is a setting where lighter-than-air metals are a thing.

I was about to say something about oxium's usage in archguns, but then I went and looked up the grattler's recipe.

Regardless, even if they have neutral buoyancy, you're still swinging a large object through a liquid. There has to be some kind of power assist to let you turn as easily as in space. And magic flow dampening, otherwise you'd be able to smash everything around you by simply swinging your gun around and not need a melee weapon.

[SpiritTeA]

[Deadoon]

4 hours ago, (NSW)Larena said:

Unless... You go underwater. Sharkwing allows instant and free use of your equipped Archguns even if they don't have a gravimag, and you don't have the Archguns deployer. That's kinda weird. Does being underwater create the same weightlessness as being in space? I would expect the pressure of the water (which can be pretty deep in certain Uranus tiles) to weigh them down more if anything.

Bouyancy. It exists regardless the medium. In air you can demonstrate it with light gasses in balloons. In water you can demonstrate it with yourself normally.

The mass and recoil impulse may remain the same. Archguns can have their recoil impulse countered by archwings already and some of it is likely transfered into the water as well as into you. The rest of the force can be used to maneuver through the water freely, but the water resistance is much higher than space hence you move slower.

All the archwing has to do is counter the force of gravity(which is somewhat diminished due to the water), the recoil impulse of the archgun(which some is dispersed into the water), and have enough remaining power to move you around(which is harder due to the water resistance).

You can move really big things through water reasonably easily, but they may not move very fast or be as maneuverable.