Curiousity

[(PSN)Calibrijade65]

Hello my name is Calibijade0206 aka Cali been playing a while and was curious as to why some things are available and others are not?? case in point why do you have certain relics available when and if you have a warframe or weapon that might needs parts that only certain relics can provide?? Also why vault them when people might still need parts? 

My curiosity bothers me to no ends because you have a lot of people who play this game daily and spend a lot of money here I think personally if you consider that instead of appeasing the complaints of lazy players things would be ok but if you keep doing things this way trust me players will leave. But please answer the  top question because I would like to know that answer.

 

Thanks😊

[Dhrekr]

6 minutes ago, (PS4)Calibrijade0206 said:

Also why vault them when people might still need parts? 

Well, that's kind of the point, isn't it.

Now, back in the day, before the first Vaulting ever (Frost Prime, by the way), all parts could be gotten for any warframe. That had several effects that DE didn't like.

1) The older Primes, as they were still available to be farmed, started selling for extremely cheap. I think I bought a full set of Mag Prime for 10 plats. DE did not like that - they need people to put money into the game, and a good way to do that is having high prices for Primes: a newer player will buy 200 plats or so, and then trade a couple of Primes, and the veteran who gets the money probably buys some cosmetics, so that the money lands in DE's pockets.

2) While the first reason is only for DE's benefit, it has also to be said that the effect on us was also quite bad. If there are literally 300 relics that can be obtained in the game, and any relic you open can give you a part from 15 warframes and 40 weapons or whatever, then... the chance of you obtaining the relic you want is ridiculously small. Today, when DE releases a new Prime, you have a fair chance of getting all the relics, and you'll have a good chance of meeting many people who open relics for that new frame.

I mean, can you imagine the frustration if Vaulting didn't exist, and you wanted to get Nezha Prime when he comes out, and you farmed 50 relics, and every single one of the relics you farmed happened to be for a Warframe you have already seven spare copies of and who sells for 8 plats on the market? Nobody wants that.

Vaulting is a bit unfair for the newer players, but to be honest, in the long run, I agree with DE that it is better for them and for us. I like selling my Ash Prime for 150 plats. I like not having twenty copies of Mag Prime ready to be sold and nobody wants them because everyone and their mother has already bought a copy for 8 plats. I like it that when DE gives us a new Warframe I can get relics already on the first day and I don't have to wait two days for the first relic because all I get are relics that contain Mag Prime who sells for 8 plats.

[(PSN)Calibrijade65]

But it still doesnt help any if I need a certain part or parts and its vaulted, its hard enough dont you think??

[(PSN)Hikuro-93]

56 minutes ago, (PS4)Calibrijade0206 said:

But it still doesnt help any if I need a certain part or parts and its vaulted, its hard enough dont you think??

I don't. I agree with what @Dhrekr said mainly because it's the way DE found to monetize their game without being too harsh on the community.

To be clear, the parts are never vaulted, just their relics. Which means you can still get them by trading, relics included. Just not by farming them the traditional way. In fact, most of the stuff this game has to offer has usually 2 acquisition methods:

• Farm it directly by playing and obtaining the item itself;
• Farm/buy platinum and then trade it for the actual things you need.

Either strategy is valid. Specially the second one, on some items with heavy rng such as Legendary Cores, which if you want one you're really better off just buying it from someone else than to hope for one to be awarded to you.

There are many things that turn players away from the game, as it is not perfect. But I find this system to hardly be one of them. Specially now that unvaultings are permanent and cyclic, unlike a few years ago, when you had only 1-2 unvaultings per year.

[Dhrekr]

11 minutes ago, (PS4)Calibrijade0206 said:

But it still doesnt help any if I need a certain part or parts and its vaulted, its hard enough dont you think??

"Doesn't help"? How do I know? What question is this?

You asked why Vaulting exists.I explained, to the best of my reckoning and guessing, why DE might have thought this would be good for them and for part of the playerbase.

You asked for reasons, not for help, and I gave you reasons, not help.

 

Anyway, if you want a piece of advice, here's two of them. This should help.

1) Be patient. Many of these items, especially Prime Weapons, you do not need right now. You don't need at all, most of them are quite old and you wouldn't use them compared to other super-powerful weapons that are out nowadays. You can afford to wait.

2) Become an expert in farming new Primes, try to farm Nezha Prime the day he comes out, and sell him for 300 plats to a rich veteran who's eager and doesn't want to grind. Then, with those 300 plats or whatever, buy yourself your Mag Prime or whatever it is that you want.

[Steel_Rook]

Vaulting exists to manufacture artificial scarcity and drive the Plat prices for Prime parts up. That's really the long and short of it. Make things arbitrarily hard to get, make them easier temporarily to restock supplies, then make them scarce again. It's a manipulative way to pretend that virtual goods have value so that people will overpay for them.

[(PSN)haphazardlynamed]

26 minutes ago, Steel_Rook said:

Vaulting exists to manufacture artificial scarcity and drive the Plat prices for Prime parts up. That's really the long and short of it. Make things arbitrarily hard to get, make them easier temporarily to restock supplies, then make them scarce again. It's a manipulative way to pretend that virtual goods have value so that people will overpay for them.

This guy gets it.

Since you're new here OP, I'll let you in on a secret: "free to play" and "pay to win" are complementary concepts. Even if the latter is downplayed for PR reasons.