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I know people have asked this before but I bring it up again because the defender I see the most is that the console manufacturers wouldn’t allow cross play. However it has happened with destiny 2 you can use your account from any platform with no problem. So why is Warframe any different yes maybe the updates for the game don’t always line up but they could work around that so I’m just curious and want some answers. Keep in mid everything I say is not a complaint I just want a few answer to educate myself.

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Short answer: Suits gonna suit. DE isn't big, and WF is already kind of... well, the past year hasn't been great. The release cycle has already been a nightmare this year, and multiplatform would mean simultaneous launches for EVERYTHING. And we've seen how that's turned out.

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Simple its money and technical restrictions.People seem to forget that Warframe started out as a very simple small game and while it has improved in a lot of ways its still working on the same mechanical level under the hood.Also DE is probably still under contracts with both Sony and Microsoft that probably would need to be renegotiated to allow for crossplay even if they did find a way to make it work.

Besides a change like that would probably require a lot of the team to switch their efforts from making content or bugfixing which would probably hurt the company income wise and who knows how long it would take them to do if they even can do it.

At this point its probably best to think cross play is never going to happen and just hope on cross save which DE has said they really want to do

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+1 for wanting cross platform. There are so many others that can make this work, like Rocket League, Paladins, SMITE, Dauntless, Fortnite, Minecraft and a multitude of other games. Looking at most other games that want to make it happen can do so, it comes down to not wanting to do it or not giving it high enough priority on the  things to do list. I believe cross platform would raise the popularity of the game considerably.

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3 hours ago, prodi1600 said:

In short game its old, about 10 year engine, implementing new things its way harder. Until we get wartframe 2

I do not believe the game engine is the issue holding back the cross platform implementation as the engine runs fine on the different platforms. It just needs all the platforms to unify the client versions and connect to the same backend servers. That may mean a possible few week delay in updates to ensure testing on all platforms, but the benefits would be well worth it.

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Because:

1. PC is the "beta run" on update releases. If something is critically broken, PC players can find it first and it gets patched for console releases.

2. PC doesn't have cert requirements. They can fast-track PC releases, especially for aforementioned critical breaks.

3. There's likely a mountain of a headache, not just in spaghetti code that has three layers of dust, but corporate malarky regarding platform security.

So the cost of cross-play is, likely, buggier releases on console and heavily delayed releases on PC. If they actually wanted to do it right, they'd have to undergo a pretty substantial paradigm shift, no longer treating PC as the proverbial "test bed" that they can bugger up and quick-fix at a moment's notice and either A: having a much larger and better organized internal testing team to catch things normally run through the PC test bed pipeline and/or B: fixing up a good amount of spaghetti code so that said pipeline isn't (as) necessary. That sort of thing might be required just for console companies to agree to cross-play: they don't want to let a developer brick consoles worldwide or create security problems, after all.

It's the kind of headache that, IMO, prods at some of DE's more central issues in Warframe's design philosophy. It might be better for literally everyone if they were to take on the challenge - cleaner code and better organization besides evident cross-play advantages - but when the topic pokes at pretty core flaws, few people want to approach it with a halberd and a full suit of armour.

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On 2020-10-03 at 3:02 AM, (XB1)jared9606 said:

I know people have asked this before but

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then you should also know that not DE is against it but the fault lies with mirco$oft and sony on this front - ofc, there are also some technical issues that would need to be adressed first.

beside that, yes, most people would like to have cross play.

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7 minutes ago, fr4gb4ll said:

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then you should also know that not DE is against it but the fault lies with mirco$oft and sony on this front - ofc, there are also some technical issues that would need to be adressed first.

beside that, yes, most people would like to have cross play.

Other games do have that capability, so they must have worked out these issues. 

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26 minutes ago, (PS4)thegarada said:

Other games do have that capability, so they must have worked out these issues. 

Other people have a multibillion dollar bank account, why haven't you done it? 

Seriously, think about why sometimes what applies to one person or company, doesn't apply to every other one.

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12 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Other people have a multibillion dollar bank account, why haven't you done it? 

Seriously, think about why sometimes what applies to one person or company, doesn't apply to every other one.

Warframe is not a mom and pop shop. The point was not even that, but that it can technically be done.

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17 minutes ago, (PS4)thegarada said:

Warframe is not a mom and pop shop. The point was not even that, but that it can technically be done.

Did anyone say it was? The only person making a comparison is you, by claiming that other companies with more clout have successfully bargained for their legally binding contracts to include crossplay. It's as silly as pointing out that people like Gates, Musk and Bezos have made billions of dollars in the last few months, and then saying that YOU should have done that too because you're a person.

Really, if you haven't made at least 5 billion USD this year, you're making a terrible comparison.

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I see more viable crossave than corssplay, warframe indeed its a game heavy on the update department, and I play many mmo at this moment but the only one thats always asking me for patching its warframe.

Compared to: FFXIV, No man Sky, Genshin Impact & Destiny 2.

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On 2020-10-09 at 10:03 PM, (PS4)thegarada said:

Other games do have that capability, so they must have worked out these issues. 

there aren't many, actually i can only name one: fortnite... and if you look at who has their stakes in it, you wouldn't be suprised about it. furthermore, you might want to look at the price-politics of microsoft (and in some cases sony too, though not with warframe being offered for the playstation, as far as i know) - M$ is getting money for player being able to play warframe via the xbox... now imagine that with crossplay also comes the 'one account for all platforms', which is only logical, you might have people switching to pc if they have the option and thus microsoft isn't getting their due anymore. another big reason for switching, beside the money, would be the faster contend release for pc - which accidentlally is also a major reason why cross play isn't something easy to be done.

but ofc, if you are such an expert in making deals between major corporations, maby you should offer them your help? and then solve the technical issues too while at it... you sure will get many thanks from people all over the globe after this ^^)

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Because it's a lot of work that until recently required actively trying to let Sony allow you to do so. Sony recently gave the all clear to all developers for cross play so that's not an issue anymore. But it still takes a lot of work. The game will need to surely have the same version across all platforms to be crossplay compatible. The company who owns majority of warframe was recently sold and could potentially cause problems in development for all we know and to add to the that we have a worldwide pandemic causing work to be done from home which equals less productivity and more stress to a lot of people as well as complicating things that would go smoother if everyone was in office. There are a lot of justified reasons to hold off on something as big as this before taking into consideration the recent major events. 
There are probably things I wouldn't even consider that could be holding back cross play too. 

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if one of the main problem is the contract with sony / microsoft.
DE could re-instore cross-save with pc/switch (or maybe even crossplay though unlikely) which might make the switch version a bit more popular overall (since pc players could at any given time play on the switch to play on the go for example) than the other consoles version , and ultimately this might make sony/microsoft re-think this contract part who knows.

but i don't think it's fair that crossplay or cross-save doesn't exist between pc-Switch simply because microsoft / sony might not want it as they have nothing to do between the pc-switch pair.

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because sony/microsuck dont allow DE to control the patches/updates meaning it can never work flawlessly, other bigger companys are allowed because of the sheer number of players in those games, quite often, regularly paying customers, warframe by comparison is small fry.

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On 2020-10-11 at 11:53 PM, Methanoid said:

because sony/microsuck dont allow DE to control the patches/updates meaning it can never work flawlessly, other bigger companys are allowed because of the sheer number of players in those games, quite often, regularly paying customers, warframe by comparison is small fry.

Exactly, wf isnt one of the bigger games, so you'd think that the consoles wouldnt mind the cross save, but they greedy and tryna pull every single penny

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7 hours ago, (XB1)RazorMuffin03 said:

Exactly, wf isnt one of the bigger games, so you'd think that the consoles wouldnt mind the cross save, but they greedy and tryna pull every single penny

I do however see an issue with PC that other games that have cross save probably do not have. Steam. Fortnite is on epic store, which also owns the game. Destiny 2, I am not sure. I think it is on steam. Why would steam allow cross save in a F2P game? They make money from their cut of platinum sales. If you can or do buy these somewhere else, they just taking the expense of platforming the game with no revenue?

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On 10/10/20 at 3:54 PM, prodi1600 said:

I see more viable crossave than corssplay, warframe indeed its a game heavy on the update department, and I play many mmo at this moment but the only one thats always asking me for patching its warframe.

Compared to: FFXIV, No man Sky, Genshin Impact & Destiny 2.

Yeah. Their approach to patches needs to change to make either possible. I doubt they'd ever get crossplay working without dedicated servers, which is a whole other can of worms. As far as I can tell, the devs are very dismissive about crossplay because getting there would be a huge undertaking.

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6 hours ago, (PS4)thegarada said:

I do however see an issue with PC that other games that have cross save probably do not have. Steam. Fortnite is on epic store, which also owns the game. Destiny 2, I am not sure. I think it is on steam. Why would steam allow cross save in a F2P game? They make money from their cut of platinum sales. If you can or do buy these somewhere else, they just taking the expense of platforming the game with no revenue?

No.

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On 2020-10-14 at 10:16 AM, (NSW)DracoHouston said:

I doubt they'd ever get crossplay working without dedicated servers, which is a whole other can of worms. As far as I can tell, the devs are very dismissive about crossplay because getting there would be a huge undertaking.

Totally agree with this - it rarely gets mentioned in these discussions, but the games people often hold up as examples of cross play are based on a client-server model. Warframe is peer to peer. I don't pretend to know the complexity behind the scenes, but switching from one design pattern of infrastructure to another is not something that is undertaken lightly. I think there would need to be a very robust business case to justify the expense. 

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