And what will happen to the veteran players?

[JohnnyMeta]

I think I have more than 5 years in Warframe, 8016 hours played. And over the first 3 years I've had so much fun, but these last few years, it's been a bit strange. They have left me thinking about some things.
When the daily reward was introduced, the maximum was 1000 days, now the rewards are eligible at a certain time when initially it was not.
It is obvious that now weapons can be bought back as zenith, zenistar in case you have deleted them, but what after 1000 days? , There is no new primed mod, there are no interesting things, the typical options are 50k kuva, 30k endo or boosters for a week, weapons / warframe slots or riven slots + rivens

There should be a special motivation that really motivates new and veteran players to keep coming in to really want to get a weapon or an accessory, not something that in theory a veteran for that time would already get too easy.

When I started to play a friend told me that absolutely everyone can get it playing, and it is true, and in this game there are many ways (now more) to achieve something specifically with less effort, adjusting over time, a very favorable point , but

(kuva was achieved in less than a week, the culprit was, steel essence)
 

But if today kuva siphons are practically dead, farming endo and kuva is really easy and fast and does not generate complications, why continue to receive 4k endo, anasa, 6k kuva? It is really annoying that for 2 weeks in a row (really bad luck) I had 4k endo and to break the streak, the last thing other than endo, it was an anasa. lol

The other thing is the luck of the rivens mods, sometimes for many rolls you do, no stats come out, but you try the same with another weapon and effortlessly get what you wanted.
The percentage differences%, some weapons rivens have really low percentages of differences and others very high, almost embroidering to the maximum possible limit, but what if the valence fusion was applied in the rivens??? Using rivens that you consider garbage, or you do not want, and combining or sacrificing it in your riven that you like but unfortunately got low stats percentages, and that by doing this you can raise them even more, it would be a good idea to take advantage of unnecessary or repeated rivens or of weapons that you do not want.

New things, like combination of weapons, where some primary and some secondary can be combined into one, or the ability to carry 2 primary weapons thus sacrificing the secondary, things that are crazy but in the end could be fun.

Correction of bugs, which have been in existence for more than 9 months

It is true that the game gets bigger, but the content of this one lasts little, especially for those of us who have been around for a long time, who finish everything faster, with an open world there are only few things that motivate you to visit it again, Pending things such as special unions, eidolon hunts, or farming credits for profit takers, but the rest? Technically, if this did not exist, they would never be visited, because there is no reason or something special to call you, or an alert, nothing... 

It is not just creating an open world and having it, many open world games live off their open world, but to do so they are readjusting it, in the plains of eidolon there are many interesting things that are seen in the background but that are just that, a background screen, the rest is practically the same, capture control points ?, eliminate enemies, complete resources to obtain something that you can only get breaking or mining things? It is not a good reward, it is not at all, it is not even motivating, it becomes frustrating, and something that is like that, you stop doing it, or you finish it soon and you don't come back.

The eidolon hunts have caught my attention and since the 3 eidolons exist in the plains, I have gone hunting them, but there are also problems against such as:
Bugs that have not been fixed for a long time such as:

• Arcanes with fire rate / reload speed, which stop working
• Slow speed in the vomvs
• Lures who ignore nearby vomvs because they specifically want a vomv.
• Lure they eat 1 - 2 vomv of more or more of that

Bugs not as old as:

• Incredibly high damage from grinners, who can destroy your lure eidolons quickly, or kill you without a problem
• Problems of getting stuck because of the stagger

Changing the focus, the game has really beautiful visual effects, but seeing them like this, I feel that it must feel partly realistic, why should a game as magnificent as this not have self-damage? , Would it be credible that shooting yourself in the feet with a bazooka (ogris or similar) would only be thrown into the air by the explosion? , Stagger animation is really annoying, but everything was put together for the worse, when they removed the self-dmg.

Railjack, the first thing we saw were corpus enemies, but what came to the game were grinners, since then I just feel that things have been partially determined by a possible MR30, and his future vision or maybe because something big is being worked on as an update, one day ...

The game entertains, but for someone who has already seen so much Warframe, how could they be surprised? The truth is there are many ways, really many ways in the game that can be improved, to enrich the experience NOT ONLY FOR NEW PLAYERS, but also for what we keep playing Warframe. In the approach it should not be general, considering what one is going to like, everyone will necessarily like it because it is classified as new content or something new, but it should be the most adjustable to all regardless of the time you have.
Nightwave has been around for too long, and their rewards? For a while I played in conclave, it is obvious that by alert I got vauban, and also the alternative helmets of the warframe, but the rest? They are just skins and other things.
I have more than 40 orokin reactors and 2 catalysts, so it would not be good to introduce a way to transform them ?, create mods that link weapons with the wf, or special marks where a wf "learns to better use a specifically better weapon"
In other words, "improve the knowledge of a WF, as a machine to use a weapon faster or better by some type of training or continuous use, as well as reducing recoil, reload speed, even being able to hit or push enemies using a secondary weapon or primary.
Better protect yourself from damage, or create resistance against some specific source of elemental or physical damage, not only would you have your WARFRAME and that's it, but you could also improve it, with additional things to use it, not like helminth, but it would also be interesting

[Lored]

Welp, life doesn't end on Warframe. There are many other entertainments or games.

[JoJoshuee_DesK]

Are you aware that there are other games besides warframe?

Have you tried to get a life outside warframe?

[JohnnyMeta]

il y a 24 minutes, JoJoshuee_DesK a dit :

¿Sabes que hay otros juegos además de warframe?

¿Has intentado tener una vida fuera de Warframe?

Yes and yes. I've been in warframe for a long time but it doesn't mean that I breathe warframe day and night

[SpiritTeA]

For more than 6 years I barely have 1500 hours played and not even 300 days in daily reward (Most of time I’ve played before daily reward introductions). Just I don’t understand, why are you complaining now? I took my time and every time I play Warframe I enjoy it. I like licches, Railjack, Deimos, Arbitrations, rivens, Nightwave (but not eidolons, this is plain garbage content imo). Try spend your time on other things rather than “Burnout everything  possible” and than wait for medal from developers for this.

[Luciole77]

59 minutes ago, JohnnyMeta said:

I think I have more than 5 years in Warframe, 8016 hours played. And over the first 3 years I've had so much fun, but these last few years, it's been a bit strange. They have left me thinking about some things.
When the daily reward was introduced, the maximum was 1000 days, now the rewards are eligible at a certain time when initially it was not.
It is obvious that now weapons can be bought back as zenith, zenistar in case you have deleted them, but what after 1000 days? , There is no new primed mod, there are no interesting things, the typical options are 50k kuva, 30k endo or boosters for a week, weapons / warframe slots or riven slots + rivens

There should be a special motivation that really motivates new and veteran players to keep coming in to really want to get a weapon or an accessory, not something that in theory a veteran for that time would already get too easy.

When I started to play a friend told me that absolutely everyone can get it playing, and it is true, and in this game there are many ways (now more) to achieve something specifically with less effort, adjusting over time, a very favorable point , but

(kuva was achieved in less than a week, the culprit was, steel essence)
 

But if today kuva siphons are practically dead, farming endo and kuva is really easy and fast and does not generate complications, why continue to receive 4k endo, anasa, 6k kuva? It is really annoying that for 2 weeks in a row (really bad luck) I had 4k endo and to break the streak, the last thing other than endo, it was an anasa. lol

The other thing is the luck of the rivens mods, sometimes for many rolls you do, no stats come out, but you try the same with another weapon and effortlessly get what you wanted.
The percentage differences%, some weapons rivens have really low percentages of differences and others very high, almost embroidering to the maximum possible limit, but what if the valence fusion was applied in the rivens??? Using rivens that you consider garbage, or you do not want, and combining or sacrificing it in your riven that you like but unfortunately got low stats percentages, and that by doing this you can raise them even more, it would be a good idea to take advantage of unnecessary or repeated rivens or of weapons that you do not want.

New things, like combination of weapons, where some primary and some secondary can be combined into one, or the ability to carry 2 primary weapons thus sacrificing the secondary, things that are crazy but in the end could be fun.

Correction of bugs, which have been in existence for more than 9 months

It is true that the game gets bigger, but the content of this one lasts little, especially for those of us who have been around for a long time, who finish everything faster, with an open world there are only few things that motivate you to visit it again, Pending things such as special unions, eidolon hunts, or farming credits for profit takers, but the rest? Technically, if this did not exist, they would never be visited, because there is no reason or something special to call you, or an alert, nothing... 

It is not just creating an open world and having it, many open world games live off their open world, but to do so they are readjusting it, in the plains of eidolon there are many interesting things that are seen in the background but that are just that, a background screen, the rest is practically the same, capture control points ?, eliminate enemies, complete resources to obtain something that you can only get breaking or mining things? It is not a good reward, it is not at all, it is not even motivating, it becomes frustrating, and something that is like that, you stop doing it, or you finish it soon and you don't come back.

The eidolon hunts have caught my attention and since the 3 eidolons exist in the plains, I have gone hunting them, but there are also problems against such as:
Bugs that have not been fixed for a long time such as:

• Arcanes with fire rate / reload speed, which stop working
• Slow speed in the vomvs
• Lures who ignore nearby vomvs because they specifically want a vomv.
• Lure they eat 1 - 2 vomv of more or more of that

Bugs not as old as:

• Incredibly high damage from grinners, who can destroy your lure eidolons quickly, or kill you without a problem
• Problems of getting stuck because of the stagger

Changing the focus, the game has really beautiful visual effects, but seeing them like this, I feel that it must feel partly realistic, why should a game as magnificent as this not have self-damage? , Would it be credible that shooting yourself in the feet with a bazooka (ogris or similar) would only be thrown into the air by the explosion? , Stagger animation is really annoying, but everything was put together for the worse, when they removed the self-dmg.

Railjack, the first thing we saw were corpus enemies, but what came to the game were grinners, since then I just feel that things have been partially determined by a possible MR30, and his future vision or maybe because something big is being worked on as an update, one day ...

The game entertains, but for someone who has already seen so much Warframe, how could they be surprised? The truth is there are many ways, really many ways in the game that can be improved, to enrich the experience NOT ONLY FOR NEW PLAYERS, but also for what we keep playing Warframe. In the approach it should not be general, considering what one is going to like, everyone will necessarily like it because it is classified as new content or something new, but it should be the most adjustable to all regardless of the time you have.
Nightwave has been around for too long, and their rewards? For a while I played in conclave, it is obvious that by alert I got vauban, and also the alternative helmets of the warframe, but the rest? They are just skins and other things.
I have more than 40 orokin reactors and 2 catalysts, so it would not be good to introduce a way to transform them ?, create mods that link weapons with the wf, or special marks where a wf "learns to better use a specifically better weapon"
In other words, "improve the knowledge of a WF, as a machine to use a weapon faster or better by some type of training or continuous use, as well as reducing recoil, reload speed, even being able to hit or push enemies using a secondary weapon or primary.
Better protect yourself from damage, or create resistance against some specific source of elemental or physical damage, not only would you have your WARFRAME and that's it, but you could also improve it, with additional things to use it, not like helminth, but it would also be interesting

move on...others games exist.

I have more than 3.5k hours, almost 1100 days, lots of endo and kuva too. Play others things is good. Try monster hunter, grim dawn, path of exile, battlegrounds, resident evil games....a lot of good options. Warframe its dying...

[Marine027]

Games end one day, people need to learn it, Warframe is at least a game i can come back mostly when i want to, even if certain things driven me away even now or things like battlepasses trying to make you come back forceful.

Every game has a end, may it shut down or you archieving all you wanted or having all. People need to realize this, you can't aks for content forever or things to do for old players to do all day.

Maybe why i prefer single player games still, i not feel forced to play, i can play trough and be done with, move to the next, it is in a games nature, only that you can repaly them like rewatching a movie, while modern online games if the server and game is gone the game is gone for good. Enjoy it what you have and move on, come back another time and see if you like new things or not.

Edit: Also why i not like Skyrim or so, it feels way to big for its own good. Open world games in general i not like because they tell you to stay forever which is not healthy and i personaly not want.

[SneakyErvin]

Everything ends one day in games (well and life obviously), the reasons are many. Having more content for vets doesnt always help, I quit WoW after 7-8 years and an absurdly unhealthy amount of hours with plenty of things to do and me loving the game. I found myself at the crossroads and it was simply time to travel down a different path, which branched into several other paths, some very familiar to WoW and some very different. One of them finaly led me to the right devil, which made me end up in WF.

I've only felt massively let down one single time and that was when Marvel Heroes got executed by the Mouse in order to erradicate a pervert CEO and some of his friends at Gaz. Mickey does not wear silk gloves, he wears space marine issue power fists. I guess Mickey and his obnoxious laughter was my crossroads demon that led me here.

[Felsagger]

1 hour ago, Lored said:

Welp, life doesn't end on Warframe. There are many other entertainments or games.

Indeed. 

 

Cyberpunk 77: To be released. 

PS5 exclusive games and the PS5.

PC game: Squad

 

[HoustonDragon]

Same thing that happens in any MMO? People move on, some come back, and new players continue to play as well.

 

If you're looking for a "end", stick to single player games.

[Luciole77]

48 minutes ago, Felsagger said:

Indeed. 

 

Cyberpunk 77: To be released. 

PS5 exclusive games and the PS5.

PC game: Squad

 

Dont forget diablo IV

[EmberStar]

I'm a little surprised by the "hours played" versus "length of time" here.  I'm a founder (which doesn't matter other than to highlight when I started playing.)  And I've only got about 2500 hours of in game time according to the game.  Steam says about a thousand higher than that, but Steam gets confused because it counts any time that the game or launcher is running.

[NecroPed]

I really hope they never add any more special items to daily rewards. I'd tolerate cosmetics but prefer it honestly just be the packs they offer now, maybe just increase how much you get. 

I'm a founder with over 2,000 hours and less than 500 days recorded (Played a lot before this system was implemented) and I really don't want logging in every day as motivation. I want to play the game and enjoy it and it would be nice if they tried to motivate people to play it with good content rather than systems that drag you back every day regardless of if you want to play it or not.

While I've been there with logging in for daily rewards in games, I really hate that it's become such a big part of games to log in for rewards. Logging in every day doesn't feel rewarding and it doesn't even necessarily reward me for playing the game at all. It's a big no from me for any more specialty items in daily logins. Unless MR 30+ ranks give a milestone skip token to pick a reward from the available milestone lists or something like that I wouldn't want any special items added. And even then preferably not.

[(PSN)Mofojokers]

I agree with pretty much everything you said. Also to the lads saying OP needs to stop playing Warframe... bugger off. I've been around for five odd years off and on and my time is not near his and i can 100% agree to all of this. You should want what he has said above regardless because you will get there in time no matter what.

[Myscho]

End game for vets: log in - log out

Im playing that way right now, because im really hooked on Borderlands 3 and Horizon Zero dawn

[(PSN)robotwars7]

4 hours ago, JohnnyMeta said:

There is no new primed mod, there are no interesting things, the typical options are 50k kuva, 30k endo or boosters for a week, weapons / warframe slots or riven slots + rivens

I don't mind Boosters, especailly affinity Boosters, makes Forma'ing go quicker. they stopped adding Primed Mods and weapons for logins because people complained about it, as usual.

4 hours ago, JohnnyMeta said:

what if the valence fusion was applied in the rivens???

yeesh, like the Riven Market isn't already busted enough..

4 hours ago, JohnnyMeta said:

New things, like combination of weapons, where some primary and some secondary can be combined into one, or the ability to carry 2 primary weapons thus sacrificing the secondary, things that are crazy but in the end could be fun.

combining weapons would be interesting, but probably not beneficial enough for the amount of work it takes. being able to take multiple weapons of the same type though, sure that would actually be quite fun.

4 hours ago, JohnnyMeta said:

because there is no reason or something special to call you, or an alert, nothing... 

I see that veiled attempt at wanting alerts back.. no. more events would be nice though, we don't get them often enough and I'd be fine if they just brought back old events, like another Proxy Rebellion (this time with the new Corpus Proxies form Fortuna and Juno Corpus).

4 hours ago, JohnnyMeta said:

why should a game as magnificent as this not have self-damage? , Would it be credible that shooting yourself in the feet with a bazooka (ogris or similar) would only be thrown into the air by the explosion? , Stagger animation is really annoying, but everything was put together for the worse, when they removed the self-dmg.

really, you actually liked self damage? oof. you're definitely in the minority there pal. it wasn't THAT bad IMO, but then Kuva Bramma occurred and it was a bit ludicrous. god, imagine the Trumna's alt fire if we still had self damage lol... it was removed because it was annoying, whereas staggers can be relieved with mods. we're void powered space ninjas, we shouldn't have to answer to physics, so yeah, not being killed by your own explosions is fine.

honestly, you just need to take a break. if you try and force yourself to play the game when there's nothing else it's going to make you hate it. my advice: find a new game to occupy your time, at least until the next update, because like it or not, the content can only come so often, and we're still in for a little wait. I'm taking this approach myself, trying a new game and seeing if it will hold my interest until our next update.

 

 

 

[EmberStar]

2 hours ago, (PS4)Mofojokers said:

I agree with pretty much everything you said. Also to the lads saying OP needs to stop playing Warframe... bugger off. I've been around for five odd years off and on and my time is not near his and i can 100% agree to all of this. You should want what he has said above regardless because you will get there in time no matter what.

I don't even slightly want what was described above.  It sounds hellish.  I've been playing Warframe since Founders access was available, and feel that I probably play it too often.  The OP has nearly three times as many in-game hours as I do.  I would suggest that maybe the OP could afford to take it easy for a bit and find something else to do for a while.

[WindigoTG]

6 hours ago, JohnnyMeta said:

I've been in warframe for a long time but it doesn't mean that I breathe warframe day and night

Uh-huh

7 hours ago, JohnnyMeta said:

I have more than 5 years in Warframe, 8016 hours played.

It is more than 4 and a half hours a day, my dude. Most people do not have this much free time at all, let alone can afford to spent it playing a single video game.

[AzureTerra]

Wont somebody think of the bittervets!!!111 (because that's what its really about, the "veterans" who need a compulsion to play)

[ReddyDisco]

easy fix, get a girlfriend

[Hypernaut1]

End game for vets is a huge dojo vanity project dedicated to yourself. 

[Aldain]

You will literally never find what you're looking for in this or any other game.

[Emolition]

Nice numbers I played sence 2013 and im no where near that much sitting at around 100k kuva , 70k endo , 13mil credits. But then I allso got alot of games im juggling between to keep me busy.

[bad4youLT]

People who tell to others to leave instead of suggesting to DE how to potentialy address isues in the game are part of the games problem .

[BahamutKaiser]

I hope to God they never introduce another log in exclusive item, it already time gates signification content away from new players. Rather, I'd like them to make log in mods tradable and offer veterans duplicate primed mods every hundred days, so veterans can sell duplicates for plat, and new players can access game changing mods like Primed Sure Footed.