shootaman777 902 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 11 Link to post Share on other sites
Katinka 7,071 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 The costs are randomly generated. 1 Son Token will cost 1-4 tags from two common animals and 2 Son Tokens will cost either 2-4 tags from two common animals or 2-3 common tags & 1-2 uncommon tags or 1-2 tags from two uncommon animals. If you don't want to pay 4+4 for a single token then don't and wait for the next cycle when they might be cheaper. 6 Link to post Share on other sites
(PSN)isbergen 149 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Katinka said: The costs are randomly generated. 1 Son Token will cost 1-4 tags from two common animals and 2 Son Tokens will cost either 2-4 tags from two common animals or 2-3 common tags & 1-2 uncommon tags or 1-2 tags from two uncommon animals. If you don't want to pay 4+4 for a single token then don't and wait for the next cycle when they might be cheaper. And you view this as accepted and normal? No it's BS. RNG BS. 17 Link to post Share on other sites
Jem991 472 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, (PS4)isbergen said: And you view this as accepted and normal? No it's BS. RNG BS. Yes it's normal 10 Link to post Share on other sites
(PSN)sister-hawk 848 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) Yeah like, idk what point you’re trying to make. Debt bonds worked the same way. All the other tokens work the same way. It’s nothing unique to the son. What I do have a problem with is that you can gain some of the required materials for everyone else just by doing isolation vaults. You get resources for father, ores and gems for otak, and fish parts for daughter, as well as mother tokens. The only family member missing from this reward pool is son (with the exception of grandmother but she’s different anyway). So in order to get son tokens you HAVE TO do conservation. Now I don’t mind conservation, but there are so few call points on Deimos you constantly have to extract and come back if you want to gather a good amount of tags. And the amount of tags he wants for some of the rarer animals, for so few tokens, feels really unfair. His tokens are way more trouble than they are worth and could use an economic rebalancing. Edited October 15, 2020 by (PS4)sister-hawk 8 Link to post Share on other sites
Katinka 7,071 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I pretty much do see it as normal, yeah. All the Entrati tokens are clearly requiring variable resources, as have items from some other open world hub vendors (Teasonai, Nakak, Ticker). 3 Link to post Share on other sites
TARINunit9 10,550 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, (PS4)sister-hawk said: Yeah like, idk what point you’re trying to make. Debt bonds worked the same way. All the other tokens work the same way. It’s nothing unique to the son. What I do have a problem with is that you can gain some of the required materials for everyone else just by doing isolation vaults. You get resources for father, ores and gems for otak, and fish parts for daughter, as well as mother tokens. The only family member missing from this reward pool is son (with the exception of grandmother but she’s different anyway). So in order to get son tokens you HAVE TO do conservation. Now I don’t mind conservation, but there are so few call points on Deimos you constantly have to extract and come back if you want to gather a good amount of tags. And the amount of tags he wants for some of the rarer animals, for so few tokens, feels really unfair. His tokens are way more trouble than they are worth and could use an economic rebalancing. The best source of son Tokens is actually grinding Weakened Predasites. This costs a lot of fish parts, but a couple rubs of Hydron (or, for some reason, Veil Proxima) will crank that little infested pet up to level 30 for ten entire Son Tokens I've sold Son more pets than I've actually gilded, and I'm sitting on plenty of tokens 7 Link to post Share on other sites
(PSN)robotwars7 19,910 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 it's not the numbers that bother me, it's the fact that Conservation WAS optional before, but was forced into the progression for Deimos, and I hate that. I hate that god awful minigame a hundred times more than fishing or mining and I would axe it totally and replace it with something else if I could. yes, we can agree that many of the changes to Son Tokens were good, but they were solutions to a problem that should never have actually been a problem in the first place. still need Crescent Vulpaphyla, but f**k if I'm going out of my way for the rarest cat spawn. Panzer's way better and we'll all be able to hit MR30 regardless anyway so pbbbt! 7 Link to post Share on other sites
Her_Lovely_Tentacles 159 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) His 1 or 2 Token deals are never worth it. I only ever buy the 4 or 5 ones, sometimes the 3-token-deals. Son Token economy is pretty bad, not gonna lie. Edited October 15, 2020 by Her_Lovely_Tentacles 2 Link to post Share on other sites
KosmicKerman 475 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I have 100 Son tokens from just flying around the edge of the map and capturing whatever I saw. I've never really understood what all the complaining is about since DE rebalanced the exchange rate from 10 tokens to 2 tokens. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
(PSN)guzmantt1977 7,089 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, shootaman777 said: You know Son Token pricing is BS when You figure out how to get 10 son tokens from a single tag yet? Try to figure it out. (Hint @TARINunit9 actually told you a couple of posts above this one, but I'm pretty sure you will manage to miss it.) 2 Link to post Share on other sites
(PSN)guzmantt1977 7,089 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Katinka said: The costs are randomly generated. 1 Son Token will cost 1-4 tags from two common animals and 2 Son Tokens will cost either 2-4 tags from two common animals or 2-3 common tags & 1-2 uncommon tags or 1-2 tags from two uncommon animals. If you don't want to pay 4+4 for a single token then don't and wait for the next cycle when they might be cheaper. LOL, no. 10 tokens from a single "weakened" tag. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
taiiat 28,283 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, (PS4)isbergen said: And you view this as accepted and normal? No it's BS. RNG BS. yes, i do. if there was no reason to make any sort of cost benefit analysis on the things you're buying, why have the offerings at all instead of just one buy button that you button mash on. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
(XBOX)GearsMatrix301 12,501 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Katinka said: The costs are randomly generated. 1 Son Token will cost 1-4 tags from two common animals and 2 Son Tokens will cost either 2-4 tags from two common animals or 2-3 common tags & 1-2 uncommon tags or 1-2 tags from two uncommon animals. If you don't want to pay 4+4 for a single token then don't and wait for the next cycle when they might be cheaper. And you see no issue with this structure in the slightest? At all? In no way shape or form? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
(PSN)sister-hawk 848 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 hours ago, TARINunit9 said: The best source of son Tokens is actually grinding Weakened Predasites. This costs a lot of fish parts, but a couple rubs of Hydron (or, for some reason, Veil Proxima) will crank that little infested pet up to level 30 for ten entire Son Tokens I've sold Son more pets than I've actually gilded, and I'm sitting on plenty of tokens Imma keep it real with you chief. I’m not gonna waste all my time mindlessly grinding affinity in the same boring activity over and over again just to earn tokens. That’s dumb af. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
(PSN)guzmantt1977 7,089 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, (PS4)sister-hawk said: Imma keep it real with you chief. I’m not gonna waste all my time mindlessly grinding affinity in the same boring activity over and over again just to earn tokens. That’s dumb af. Ahhhh.... See before you were whining about "having" to do conservation: 3 hours ago, (PS4)sister-hawk said: So in order to get son tokens you HAVE TO do conservation. And claiming that the small number of call points is the problem (although you don't need to use the call points at all). But given what you wrote, it's now obvious that you are just whining about having to play the game at all. Carry on. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
XRosenkreuz 2,559 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Imagine bothering with conservation for Son tokens when level 30 revivified preds and vulps that you return to the wild net you 10 each. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
TARINunit9 10,550 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 hours ago, (PS4)sister-hawk said: Imma keep it real with you chief. I’m not gonna waste all my time mindlessly grinding affinity in the same boring activity over and over again just to earn tokens. That’s dumb af. The way this is worded, it sounds like your problem is with Warframe itself for having grind in it in the first place 2 Link to post Share on other sites
(XBOX)TyeGoo 9,219 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 What I find more bullS#&$tery is that there's never tokens for 1 common animal. I've got dozens of tags from some animals but magically those always require rare tags too.. (I finished Deimos and got 60 extra tokens but my point still stands.) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Drachnyn 7,339 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I wish conservation on deimos was as good for standing gain as it is on fortuna and plains. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
(XBOX)InductiveBag46 253 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 At this point it's not even warframe, just a S#&$ty 'animal' hunting simulator 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Corvid 8,748 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I mean, I've got everything (or at least have access to everything) from both syndicates, and I've only done 2 conservation sessions (one for the Avichea tags, and one for a Panzer Vulpaphyla). Everything else has been passively acquired (as in "Oh, there's an animal wandering around over there, I'll just tranq it and be on my way"), so I really don't see how people can think that it's overshadowing the rest of the activities. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Galuf 529 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) Don't sleep on them, obviously you should skip at least some but there are few that are absolutely worth it Edited October 16, 2020 by Galuf Link to post Share on other sites
-CdG-Zilchy 8,517 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 23 hours ago, (PS4)sister-hawk said: Now I don’t mind conservation, but there are so few call points on Deimos you constantly have to extract and come back if you want to gather a good amount of tags. And the amount of tags he wants for some of the rarer animals, for so few tokens, feels really unfair. His tokens are way more trouble than they are worth and could use an economic rebalancing. You're making the mistake of using the call points. And yes I realise this goes against their initial design. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
-CdG-Zilchy 8,517 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 14 hours ago, XRosenkreuz said: Imagine bothering with conservation for Son tokens when level 30 revivified preds and vulps that you return to the wild net you 10 each. Bothering with conservation is a hell of a lot faster. Link to post Share on other sites
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