32768 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I've got a riven saying "kill 6 dargyn pilots before they fall to the ground" (loose translation). To unveil this riven i had to go to the plains, shoot dargyns mid flight and while pilots were falling down i had to shoot them. Just like skeet in competitive shooting. Does anyone think this is OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Graysmog Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 It's a videogame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevoisvevo Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Dont you usually sell rivens with those kinda crap challenges lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevek7 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, 32768 said: Does anyone think this is OK? The obvious answer is "They're not real people, it's just a game." But I think we all understand that, so I assume your question to be from a Lore perspective, i.e.: given what we know about the Tenno, is this behaviour expected / acceptable? I think the answer is yes. Tenno have been known to board Grineer ships on the orders of other mysterious people, and then proceed to exterminate all the Grineer on the ship, with no evidence that this violence serves any purpose. Clearly, the Tenno are violent and don't hesitate to kill when ordered to. But Tenno have also been known to summon already killed Grineer back from the dead in the "simulacrum" just to kill them again, simply to "test" their weapons. This is violence that doesn't even really serve a purpose, although Simaris does insist that these re-summoned enemies cannot feel anything. Again the Tenno take that statement to be true without proof. Certainly, the story quests make it seem like Tenno are honorable warriors who are fighting reluctantly only to ensure peace. But I think the evidence is really pointing more towards the Tenno being extremely violent and uncontrollable. Based on that understanding, I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that the Tenno would kill for sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzerkules Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Yes. Grineer genocide is not only ok it's fun. After a couple million kills I'm not going to think twice about killing 6 more to unlock a riven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Deeceem Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CdG-Zilchy Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I thought that's what I was doing? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aadi880 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 You've killed millions of grinner my literally melting, slicing, crushing, burning alive, killing with disease, hypothermia, corroding, irradiating and in every painful way possible, and THIS is what gets into you? Not to mention you trapped hundreds more into the simulacrum for exactly the same torture for "testing". You've been killing grinner for sport for a long time. Why stop now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C11H22O11 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Rivens don't exist lore wise, remove them from your inventory to be part of the lore friendly society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 The Tenno have referred to their actions as hunting on at least two occasions, both post TSD. So, if nothing else, they certainly have a bit of a (somewhat earned) superiority complex over the Grineer and Corpus. It wouldn't terribly surprise me if they killed at least partially for sport. Spoilers from here on out Spoiler Additionally, there's some reason to believe that Wally embodies repressed elements of the individuals they're manifesting through. Rell didn't outwardly show his self-loathing, insecurities and lack of confidence, but the messages writ in blood - which refer to him in third-person, as if from a separate entity - as well as the boss fight dialogue indicates that Wally has these traits. Albrecht also makes it clear that he's not going into the void for any kind of discovery or interest, and it's probably the most directly interested Wally has ever been about crossing worlds himself (If he has any care the rest of the time, it's fairly low-key). And what's one of his main traits when inhabiting the Player Tenno? Sadistic pleasure. Seems to indicate that the Tenno maybe don't actively kill for sport... but secretly, they enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)guzmantt1977 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, 32768 said: I've got a riven saying "kill 6 dargyn pilots before they fall to the ground" (loose translation). To unveil this riven i had to go to the plains, shoot dargyns mid flight and while pilots were falling down i had to shoot them. Just like skeet in competitive shooting. Does anyone think this is OK? Pull! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Tactless_Ninja Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 There's a Cephalon inside the Riven machine that dictates these things. If you had issues watching people disintegrate while screaming for Semaris, then this is more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yggranya Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 What is the point of playing a game that is about fighting and killing, and then pretending to be surprised about the fighting and killing? Or is it only about the fact that someone might enjoy it and/or find it hilarious? Need to pretend to be "honorable" and all that BS to not feel bad about it, am i right? To answer your question: Yes, it's OK. Maybe pretending to be "honorable" is the way the tenno keep themselves in check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lollybomb Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Should we kill a violent genocidal military race hellbent on exterminating all life that isn't them for no further reason than "they're not us" for sport? Yes. Yes we should. You might have a bit more of an argument if you were asking about the Corpus, but the Grineer? No regret. Near as I can tell there aren't even any civilians in the Grineer. It's genocidal military from top to bottom. Corpus at least seem to have civilians. Horribly oppressed civilians, but civilians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 6 hours ago, 32768 said: Just like skeet in competitive shooting. yep, and it's great! for maximum immersion be sure to use a Tigris of some kind and shout "Pull!" every so often. bonus points if you also train a Kubrow to run and fetch the corpse back to you like a Gundog... as someone who does Skeet Shooting IRL it's a lot of fun, though lockdowns prevent my shooting club from converging until December, so I guess I'll just have to keep practicing on those Pesky Dargyns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHargreav Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 We already do that so yeah I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thegarada Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 8 hours ago, 32768 said: I've got a riven saying "kill 6 dargyn pilots before they fall to the ground" (loose translation). To unveil this riven i had to go to the plains, shoot dargyns mid flight and while pilots were falling down i had to shoot them. Just like skeet in competitive shooting. Does anyone think this is OK? If killing Graineer is against your believe it is time to put down the Tenno mantle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 6 hours ago, (PSN)Lollybomb said: You might have a bit more of an argument if you were asking about the Corpus, but the Grineer? No regret. Near as I can tell there aren't even any civilians in the Grineer. It's genocidal military from top to bottom. According to Harkonar's lore and the existance of Tengus, Vey Hek and Tyl Regor, there are, but they seem entirely dedicated towards fuelling the war machine and are by and large happy to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeM Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 The Grineer prey on the weak, but we prey on the Grineer. (Operator quote ^^ ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 13 hours ago, 32768 said: Does anyone think this is OK? 1. They're part of an army trying to "annex" the town of Cetus. It's not for sport, it's closer to an act of war 2. It's a job from Cephalon Samodeus. Why he wants it, we don't know, but it's not for sport. It's closer to an assassination contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surbusken Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 The only way to make the story fit, is being a mercenary. Sword for hire. You aren't saving the princess or doing charity work, you are killing for money, resources, items etc. Would you do it if they didn't pay you, no? What are you then. Which also fits the reality of the situation, playing a f2p game, because you get something out of it. Was is that old budha saying, there is no altruism, because even wanting to self-sacrifice and be helpful, is still wanting something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReddyDisco Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DroopingPuppy Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Well, they are the enemy of the humanity. The more dead Grineer means the less dead human. It is not the matter of sport; it is the matter of protect the weak. And, meanwhile, it is not a bad thing to hone your skill during your fight for the humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Madurai-Prime Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Humans are still tribal animals. Us vs them is unfortunately ingrained in us. I'm under the impression the grineer are bad so I'm just gonna roll with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DroopingPuppy Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Also, Grineer civilians DO exists. You have seen a lots of them on Ceres, working on the factory. Grineer were the worker and low ranked soldier caste of Orokin Empire. Still both branches are live as the backbone of Grineer Empire. Although I do killing them, but usually I try to avoid them because they are basically not the warriors. I can't help my area skills and weapons are killing them, though, for they makes the weapons to kill the human and it is sure that they are the enemy as well, and it is true that many factories I had detonated was burn with countless Grineer civilian, but still, I try to avoid killing them intentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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