Nailclipper Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 To this day I still don't get why people feel the need to rank up their Kuva weapons to level 40 and some criticized DE for that decision even though it's easier to mod these weapons because of the mechanic involved (you need less formas for a full build on them). There are only 2 possible scenarios which make sense to me: You are afraid that MR 31 and beyond would require more lvl 40 items to achieve You are a completionist I'm too dumb to see the obvious and I can't count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingDice Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 As a forma sink to make people (mostly mindless MR grinders) play the game more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Hikuro-93 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Remove the MR aspect of it, make it a simple "effort for modding freedom" mechanic, and watch 99% of complainers go silent. Also, apply this mechanic, no mastery attached, to all upgraded weapons (vandals, prime, wraith, etc), in order to make them more valuable. This second thought is unlikely due to a number of reasons, but I'd still like my Opticor and Supra Vandals to reach kuva weapon levels of modding freedom. And I somehow doubt there'll be corpus lich version of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nslay Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 If DE wants us to spend 5 forma on weapons, make more weapons that we'll naturally want to spend 5 forma on. Opticor Vandal was pretty cool... I put some forma in that! Kuva Seer... seriously? It might be a more powerful Kuva variant, but it doesn't appeal to me at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serafim_94 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Because I hate myself and want to suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)CaptainSeth5423 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 39 minutes ago, nslay said: If DE wants us to spend 5 forma on weapons, make more weapons that we'll naturally want to spend 5 forma on. Opticor Vandal was pretty cool... I put some forma in that! Kuva Seer... seriously? It might be a more powerful Kuva variant, but it doesn't appeal to me at all! Kuva Seer is actually quite good it is comparable to tombfinger. With the right build it could be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 because people normally level up things to the max rank I guess? personally I do it for the MR, and it means I won't have to put any more Forma in after rank 40 because it already has 5 which is enough for just about any weapon or build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nslay Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, (XBOX)CaptainSeth5423 said: Kuva Seer is actually quite good it is comparable to tombfinger. With the right build it could be better Sure was an extraordinarily awful experience to rank to 30. So painful, I never want to go through that again by formaing it. Battacor is like that too. That thing is absolutely awful to rank up initially when you can't fit all the mods. When it's fully forma'd and modded, it can hit like a train and feel a bit more natural. NOTE: I generally rank all weapons up solo... which means I really use them, not just keep them holstered and passively gain XP in multiplayer games. And Kuva Seer initially isn't fun to use even if it could be made powerful with significant forma investment. It's sure ugly too! Lastly, that note should hint at my perspective of formaing weapons. Why does Opticor Vandal get forma? Because you can bring an unranked minimally modded Opticor Vandal into the game and just start using it. It feels and handles great (and it looks cool!), and it actually hits hard. This is my benchmark for installing an Orokin Catalyst and forma... it's hard to bring a brand new unranked Kuva Seer into any game mode. It doesn't feel very good to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acersecomic Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Sadly just a very lame forma sink. Awesome weapons but... insanely unreasonable forma investment. I still haven't finished a single kuva weapon to 40 BECAUSE NO WEAPON NEEDS IT!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHargreav Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 The answer is that you don't have to. It's completely optional whether you level up the weapon to lvl40 or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 you don't need to. but a bar to fill was presented, and so most people will fill it regardless of if it's enjoyable to do so or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nailclipper Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 Then there's no real objection to DE putting level 40 items, isn't there? Coupled with the fact that lvl 40 rank-able items are easier to mod (because applying a forma gives you 2 more capacity, 4 with a potato installed), shouldn't we want DE to bring us more items like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)CaptainSeth5423 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 3 hours ago, nslay said: Sure was an extraordinarily awful experience to rank to 30. So painful, I never want to go through that again by formaing it. Battacor is like that too. That thing is absolutely awful to rank up initially when you can't fit all the mods. When it's fully forma'd and modded, it can hit like a train and feel a bit more natural. NOTE: I generally rank all weapons up solo... which means I really use them, not just keep them holstered and passively gain XP in multiplayer games. And Kuva Seer initially isn't fun to use even if it could be made powerful with significant forma investment. It's sure ugly too! Lastly, that note should hint at my perspective of formaing weapons. Why does Opticor Vandal get forma? Because you can bring an unranked minimally modded Opticor Vandal into the game and just start using it. It feels and handles great (and it looks cool!), and it actually hits hard. This is my benchmark for installing an Orokin Catalyst and forma... it's hard to bring a brand new unranked Kuva Seer into any game mode. It doesn't feel very good to use. pi find kuva seer quite fun except for that recoil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingDice Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 34 minutes ago, Nailclipper said: Then there's no real objection to DE putting level 40 items, isn't there? Coupled with the fact that lvl 40 rank-able items are easier to mod (because applying a forma gives you 2 more capacity, 4 with a potato installed), shouldn't we want DE to bring us more items like this? Because they're completely pointless. Not only are most of them mediocre at best, most of them don't need the extra capacity to fit an optimal build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessara1 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 32 minutes ago, Nailclipper said: Then there's no real objection to DE putting level 40 items, isn't there? Coupled with the fact that lvl 40 rank-able items are easier to mod (because applying a forma gives you 2 more capacity, 4 with a potato installed), shouldn't we want DE to bring us more items like this? My biggest issue is with how a weapon goes back to rank 0 when you forma something. I don't enjoy re-leveling an item as I find it to be rather tedious so getting something to level 40, requiring 5 formas which means you level it 6 times ... *sigh*. If all it did was simply open up the levels after 30, so you stayed at 30 and just had to get 2 levels each time I'd feel better about having more items go to level 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Shaun-T-Wilson Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Mod capacity and MR are the benefits of Rank 40 weapons, having to spend 5 forma and a dozen or so missions to level up are the price. Given theres lots of time between updates with MR stuff there plenty of time to build formas and lv'ng them up, its only a grind if you try to rush the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khazlol Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 5 forma kuva weapon's isn't the weirdest things in my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiltskillet Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 5 hours ago, Nailclipper said: To this day I still don't get why people feel the need to rank up their Kuva weapons to level 40 and some criticized DE for that decision even though it's easier to mod these weapons because of the mechanic involved (you need less formas for a full build on them). There are only 2 possible scenarios which make sense to me: You are afraid that MR 31 and beyond would require more lvl 40 items to achieve You are a completionist I think it's pretty much that simple. A lot of people are really interested in mastering everything, whether they like the the weapon or frame or not. In this case, if they don't like the weapon, it must just feel like a bunch of extra grind for no good (player-focused) reason. I do think it would be less unpopular if, like the Paracesis, the extra ranks including another small bonus besides extra capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiltskillet Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 3 hours ago, taiiat said: you don't need to. but a bar to fill was presented, and so most people will fill it regardless of if it's enjoyable to do so or not. Hah, exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiltskillet Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 hours ago, nslay said: Sure was an extraordinarily awful experience to rank to 30. So painful, I never want to go through that again by formaing it. Battacor is like that too. That thing is absolutely awful to rank up initially when you can't fit all the mods. When it's fully forma'd and modded, it can hit like a train and feel a bit more natural. NOTE: I generally rank all weapons up solo... which means I really use them, not just keep them holstered and passively gain XP in multiplayer games. And Kuva Seer initially isn't fun to use even if it could be made powerful with significant forma investment. It's sure ugly too! Not as extreme as you, but I have a similar philosophy leveling weapons. I'm gonna guess you ran into big problems with the KSeer largely because of its puny ammo reserve, especially solo. Slow RoF and projectile probably hurt too, but aren't that unusual. Did you like leveling Euphona Prime? I don't know how you felt the Battacor was in the same category though. :P That was a weapon I had an absolute blast leveling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thegarada Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 7 hours ago, Nailclipper said: To this day I still don't get why people feel the need to rank up their Kuva weapons to level 40 and some criticized DE for that decision even though it's easier to mod these weapons because of the mechanic involved (you need less formas for a full build on them). There are only 2 possible scenarios which make sense to me: You are afraid that MR 31 and beyond would require more lvl 40 items to achieve You are a completionist I'm too dumb to see the obvious and I can't count You do not. Unless you care that much about collections, you should only forma lich weapons you use, and only till you have all the mods you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deothor Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Forma & platinum sink. That's the only reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DealerOfAbsolutes Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 My biggest issue is that you can't fit a focus lens on the weapon until Rank 40. It just feels I'm wasting something if I don't have a focus lens on, though that might be different for those who had already maxed out Focus on all the trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ECCHO SIERRA Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 9 hours ago, Nailclipper said: To this day I still don't get why people feel the need to rank up their Kuva weapons to level 40 and some criticized DE for that decision even though it's easier to mod these weapons because of the mechanic involved (you need less formas for a full build on them). There are only 2 possible scenarios which make sense to me: You are afraid that MR 31 and beyond would require more lvl 40 items to achieve You are a completionist I'm too dumb to see the obvious and I can't count It takes 85 forma if im not mistaken to get all the mastery out of all the kuva weapons + paracesis. Thats almost 3 months of crafting 1 forma every day or, a lot of 35p forma bundles. And thats assuming you have that many forma blueprints or are willing to farm them My understanding is right now, at least on console, to be MR 30 you have to have *everything* fully leveled and all the 40 level weapons maxed. Yeah i know its not like we *have to be* mr 30 but still. Id gripe less if forma star came back but look how that turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Mofojokers Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 9 hours ago, Serafim_94 said: Because I hate myself and want to suffer. This we hate ourselfs and must suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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