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FrostedMike Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 So I decided to do a small research before commenting something wrong. I came to the conclusion that the Stadia is slowly gaining more popularity. Very slow, but growing. I'll define it as "not dying". It was dead on release but not out of the competition. Coming from a background in game development and having an idea in marketing and monetizing video games, I'll say it's a very risky move to invest supporting a Stadia version as of now. The Stadia is growing too slow to be a good investment, but I wouldn't throw the option out of the window as there is a chance it will succeed and be a strong competitor in the industry in the future. The current number of active users also isn't large enough to be worth it these days. While I didn't find how many active users there are currently, I found that the Stadia reached a million registered users last April which is barely anything for a F2P game. If we take the pandemic into account for boosting the Stadia's popularity more, I'll take a generous guess and say the Stadia currently have 3 million registered users which is still not a lot. Fun fact about F2P games: F2P games on avarage have only about 5% of their player base buying something from their shop using premium currency/real money on the regular. Not a meaningful number of players bought something just once. Take a guess how many of the 3 million registered users will open Warframe at least once and how many of them will actually stay. A quick Google search found that Destiny 2 barely reached 20k registered players (both active and none active) on the Stadia which is nothing for a F2P game. How many active user there are from those 20k? I heard about 3k but I'll be generous and say 7k active because the source I found is outdated. 5% of 7k is 350 people who buy something and support the game, this is enough for about 350 workers to buy a single T-shirt once a month or about 50 workers food for a single week which is awful. I believe Warframe will suffer the same fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, FrostedMike said: A quick Google search found that Destiny 2 barely reached 20k registered players (both active and none active) on the Stadia which is nothing for a F2P game. To further illustrate this point. The lowest part of Destiny 2's Steam Charts, which was almost certainly an error because it was way lower than the entries immediately before and after, was 30,000 concurrent players. In other words, D2 Steam's lowest point would have more people in the game at a single moment than everyone who has ever had Destiny 2 on Stadia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)isbergen Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Loza03 said: It would likely cost DE a pretty penny to make a Stadia edition, and it's unlikely to be a pretty penny they'll get back too many times over. Unless Google pays them to port it, like they have quite a few other developers to try and get interest in Stadia. In never seemed to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minininja77 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 The idea of playing P2P on stadia would turn me off alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)CI shadow2397 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 3 hours ago, kcpz said: Hi there— Stadia's coming out with Destiny 2 as a free to play game this month. What's the likelihood we can get Warframe on Stadia? Is DE looking into it now? If not, here's my request. Any other Stadians here? Thanks the day DE put out warfare for that glorified space heater, I'll give away 1,000 plat to someone for free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heiven Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 From what i remember back when Stadia just came out people were asking non stop if DE is considering of porting the game to it. And there answer was "that they aren't considering it at the time". But looking at how things are with the platform i don't think its going to be a thing, ever! Also so what if D2 is going to be free on Stadia? Its the only major title they have and its a year old game that just locked a huge part of its content for no reason at all. Also also even if they port it why would people bother playing a free to play game on a subscription based platform as Stadia? Especially when most of its features aren't implement even after a year!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfchild07 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Who wants to wait 2 weeks for a patch after it's actually ready to ship? And then another 2 weeks for fixes? Cause that's how Stadia operates. Elder Scrolls Online is having this issue now. They released an update, it was full of bugs. Everyone waited 2 weeks for the patch, which didn't work. Now we might have to wait another 2 weeks for a patch that might not work. Stadia messes with update and patch releases/fixes, cause companies have to give them 2 weeks notice about their updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvid Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Heiven said: just locked a huge part of its content for no reason at all. Not even locked, outright removed. Unless I'm mistaken, a F2P player in that game doesn't get much (if anything) in the way of story content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodofWiFi Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 15 hours ago, kcpz said: I don't know what metrics you have that you're saying it's doing poorly. Honestly, it seems like you're just a troll looking at this and your other replies in the thread. Saying that the hate to Stadia is "baseless" or that people are "lying" about it. Unless you've been living under a rock on the dark side of Pluto, then you should know that literally 99% of people are saying the Stadia is....under-achieving to put it politely and have written it off as a lost cause, and it is. Google couldn't even give the damn platform away for free to Chromecast subscribers and actually had to petition (beg) their their customers to use it. If people aren't taking a product even when its free, you know that product is not doing well. DE's not going to waste time porting the game onto a platform that barely has anyone using it. My advice; do something more productive than trolling on the forums by claiming how great Stadia is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisvek Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 @FrostedMikeis the only one who gave you a decent answer, sorry about the others. Stadia probably isn't yet successful enough for DE to target as a platform. It's only been out for a year, first entry into the gaming market by the company, and with a novel approach at that. Disclosure: I'm predominantly a PC gamer, but I own the Xbox consoles and subscribe to Xbox Game Pass Ultimate. I've also subscribed to Stadia Pro since launch and participated in their Project Stream beta test prior to that. Game streaming is interesting to me, and I have a fast fiber connection to play on, so I'm an ideal candidate. 99% people were crapping on Stadia before it even released, so the continuation of people crapping on it now is really just confirmation bias on their part. Most of those people haven't even tried it, and it's obvious that most of the commenters in this thread haven't either. OP's original post was simple and straight-forward, contained no trolling. Yet the trolls came. There are many major, new games on the platform like Assassin's Creed: Valhalla, Borderlands 3, Mortal Kombat 11, Baldur's Gate 3, Doom Eternal, Marvel's Avengers, Watchdogs: Legion. It will have Hitman 3, Humankind, and Cyberpunk 2077. About 150 games total so far. You do not need to subscribe to use Stadia. Subscribing gets you games each month, plus access to the 4K streaming and such. Without subscribing, you would be able to just buy a game and play right away at 1080p from their browser or phone, no need for a console. For a lot of people, that's not a shabby deal. Stadia has received a steady and consistent stream of updates and feature additions since release. Could Stadia be doing better? Probably, sure, its a tough business to break in to and I have no doubt Google would love to have millions of players already. But they don't yet. Still, the new releases keep coming, the platform updates keep coming, and I have no doubt that they intend to upgrade their backend to keep up with all the pretty RTX shenanigans on the new consoles. Is it possible for Stadia to ultimately fail? Sure. But it's just getting started right now, so most of the doom-and-gloom is silly naysaying from fanboys, trolls, and haters. Just like Sony fans were trashing on the original Xbox a couple decades ago. My two cents? I hope Stadia does well, I'd like to see another major player in the field and I think the technology has promise. HOWEVER... I personally think Microsoft is positioned to play some hard ball this generation. Game Pass Ultimate is one of the best deals in gaming, Xbox All Access appears to make sense. They're making some big studio purchases. And of course, they're not ignoring the potential of game streaming. Neither is Sony, for that matter. If the two giants are expanding in to game streaming, then I think it makes a lot of sense that Google would start there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostedMike Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I already stated my possition but I just to adress it. I agree with @krisvek here. The Stadia is around and it seems like it's here to stay and improve, and I sure hope so because more competition will improve the market in general. Google offeres something unique with Stadia and they are currently the best in video games streaming simply because barely anyone else tried streaming video games. Their issue is that they are the first to release a product capable of doing it so they have no reference or proper competition in terms of streaming service as of now. I heard XBox are experimenting with streaming. Also remember that Google are new to the gaming industry and for their first "console" they are doing fine at least in terms of service. Another issue with streaming in general is that there aren't many people with amazing internet. Most countries doesn't even have the infrastructure to support high speed internet. I heard someone one time complaining that one of the new updates to Warframe was downloading content too slowly as about 50 MB/S instead of the usual 100 MB/S he gets, and I just replyed with: "You download faster than 1 MB/S?". If the avarage person download at about 10 MB/S than Google seems to make this technology too early to be viable. Their advantage now is that they know what their doing so hopefully "Stadia 2" if it happens will be much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthK3v Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 No, Stadia's main problem is the fact you don't have the game physically on your system. It's a streaming service. That game could disappear at any moment and you'd have no control over it. Their terms of service could change and all those games you "paid" for are suddenly gone along with your money. Yeah, there would be major uproar if it happened, but it's the fact people don't trust companies that's working against it. To be fair, I'm one of those people who simply can't take advantage of Stadia because of my situation. My ISP is notoriously unreliable in my area, with regular internet blackouts without prior warning. And due to inter-company contracts it's also my only option, so I'm stuck with it. I'm not even in a rural area, so I'm hardly the only person even just around me who wouldn't be able to take advantage of Stadia. Maybe you're right and Stadia is simply ahead of its time. I for one would love to live in a world where I can trust the companies that are selling me things. But the way the world is going? I don't see it on the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heiven Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 17 hours ago, krisvek said: Stadia probably isn't yet successful enough for DE to target as a platform Are you for real? Even before Stadia was released it was hyped like it would be next big thing in the tech industry and even then DE weren't thinking of porting to it. When i think about it very few studios were thinking to port for the platform, were they also "probably" thinking in the same way!? Also google had novel approach with each and every program from the "google List" and yet they all didn't live very long. 17 hours ago, krisvek said: 99% people were crapping on Stadia before it even released The "crapping" was for the internet requirement and how even if you had it your connection may not keep up with the load. Also the main criticism was that you needed to re-buy the games you wanted to play and buy them AT FULL price!? If that by your own accord is the so called crapping i feel sorry for you. The real s..t show came when people found that many of the promised features won't be ready at day 1 or even in the first quarter. And even after a year many of those weren't still done. So did Stadia finished them yet or are they still on "to do list"? 17 hours ago, krisvek said: About 150 games total so far Many of which are small indie games that you wouldn't bother to play on a platform such as Stadia. Also every game at Stadia released was at full price!? 2 year old game 60 bucks. 3 year old game 60 bucks, Did it reduced the prices from then? Geforce Now does a farrrrrrrrrrrrr superior job at this front than Stadia and many asked for the same option as with "Now" about the games. 17 hours ago, krisvek said: plus access to the 4K streaming and such Sept very few games offer 4K. As for the rest from Stadia said that it was because the developers didn't make the games run at it even if titles such as Red dead did support it on PC. Btw does the newest chromecast support Stadia yet? When it went for sale it didn't support it at all for some reason, making people ask them self's if google is pulling the plug on the platform. Overall many people forgot all about the platform even those with the year subscription just because it didn't life to the hype. If the platform manages to stay alive an keep up, good to it but they must do some next level advertising and improvements in order to revive it because it's very close to the graveyard. 1 hour ago, DarthK3v said: Their terms of service could change and all those games you "paid" for are suddenly gone along with your money. From what ive read, when google pulls the plug on its services( any of those from the google dead list) the clients do get all of there money that they have invested in. Similarly Stadia returns the players money if the game they paid for is added in the subscription category as a free title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)CordingMoon7789 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 But also, don't they have a kind of exclusivity of countries for the moment? I remember hearing and seeing in their page that they only have stadia services on around 14 countries. Of which they don't include any latinamerican countries nor asian countries. https://support.google.com/stadia/answer/9566513?hl=es this is the page in which i found this stuff. If this is outdated then ignore it. This is probably also a reason for why DE won't port Warframe to Stadia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)CI shadow2397 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 17 hours ago, krisvek said: @FrostedMikeis the only one who gave you a decent answer, sorry about the others. Stadia probably isn't yet successful enough for DE to target as a platform. It's only been out for a year, first entry into the gaming market by the company, and with a novel approach at that. Disclosure: I'm predominantly a PC gamer, but I own the Xbox consoles and subscribe to Xbox Game Pass Ultimate. I've also subscribed to Stadia Pro since launch and participated in their Project Stream beta test prior to that. Game streaming is interesting to me, and I have a fast fiber connection to play on, so I'm an ideal candidate. 99% people were crapping on Stadia before it even released, so the continuation of people crapping on it now is really just confirmation bias on their part. Most of those people haven't even tried it, and it's obvious that most of the commenters in this thread haven't either. OP's original post was simple and straight-forward, contained no trolling. Yet the trolls came. There are many major, new games on the platform like Assassin's Creed: Valhalla, Borderlands 3, Mortal Kombat 11, Baldur's Gate 3, Doom Eternal, Marvel's Avengers, Watchdogs: Legion. It will have Hitman 3, Humankind, and Cyberpunk 2077. About 150 games total so far. You do not need to subscribe to use Stadia. Subscribing gets you games each month, plus access to the 4K streaming and such. Without subscribing, you would be able to just buy a game and play right away at 1080p from their browser or phone, no need for a console. For a lot of people, that's not a shabby deal. Stadia has received a steady and consistent stream of updates and feature additions since release. Could Stadia be doing better? Probably, sure, its a tough business to break in to and I have no doubt Google would love to have millions of players already. But they don't yet. Still, the new releases keep coming, the platform updates keep coming, and I have no doubt that they intend to upgrade their backend to keep up with all the pretty RTX shenanigans on the new consoles. Is it possible for Stadia to ultimately fail? Sure. But it's just getting started right now, so most of the doom-and-gloom is silly naysaying from fanboys, trolls, and haters. Just like Sony fans were trashing on the original Xbox a couple decades ago. My two cents? I hope Stadia does well, I'd like to see another major player in the field and I think the technology has promise. HOWEVER... I personally think Microsoft is positioned to play some hard ball this generation. Game Pass Ultimate is one of the best deals in gaming, Xbox All Access appears to make sense. They're making some big studio purchases. And of course, they're not ignoring the potential of game streaming. Neither is Sony, for that matter. If the two giants are expanding in to game streaming, then I think it makes a lot of sense that Google would start there. well owned a stadia so I feel like I have the right to crap on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IIDMOII Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Stadias business model is too big of a hurdle plus No one wants to pay for access to imaginary hardware thats less powerful than a new console. Cheaper and a better investment to continue buying hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamazuki Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 2020-11-17 at 11:58 AM, minininja77 said: The idea of playing P2P on stadia would turn me off alone DE actually said before that if Warframe were on Stadia the servers would be hosted by Google. Although, in that same post, it was said there were no plans for Warframe being on Stadia. Either way, unless you had Stadia servers near your location, the experience isn't really that great. Although, I guess that also depends on how sensitive you are to latency and quality. I participated in the beta before Stadia's release, and even though I lived fairly close to a server I personally found the quality to be too low, especially given I already have a good enough PC anyways, and latency was noticeable at times, as I live in an area that only offers standard cable internet. I personally didn't find the latency to be any better than using Steam to play a game on my phone through mobile data (not even wifi) that was running on my PC, and the image quality was also roughly the same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoriSei Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 On 2020-11-17 at 5:54 PM, kcpz said: I'd appreciate we keep the Stadia hate off of this thread, thanks. Stadia is not dying, and is not desperate. The platform's doing fine and I enjoy using it, which is why I'm asking DE to consider it. Sry lad thats how they make themselves feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BahamutKaiser Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Who has Stadia and not access to another avenue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Tormex_ Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 On 2020-11-18 at 10:22 PM, krisvek said: @FrostedMikeis the only one who gave you a decent answer, sorry about the others. Stadia probably isn't yet successful enough for DE to target as a platform. It's only been out for a year, first entry into the gaming market by the company, and with a novel approach at that. Disclosure: I'm predominantly a PC gamer, but I own the Xbox consoles and subscribe to Xbox Game Pass Ultimate. I've also subscribed to Stadia Pro since launch and participated in their Project Stream beta test prior to that. Game streaming is interesting to me, and I have a fast fiber connection to play on, so I'm an ideal candidate. 99% people were crapping on Stadia before it even released, so the continuation of people crapping on it now is really just confirmation bias on their part. Most of those people haven't even tried it, and it's obvious that most of the commenters in this thread haven't either. OP's original post was simple and straight-forward, contained no trolling. Yet the trolls came. There are many major, new games on the platform like Assassin's Creed: Valhalla, Borderlands 3, Mortal Kombat 11, Baldur's Gate 3, Doom Eternal, Marvel's Avengers, Watchdogs: Legion. It will have Hitman 3, Humankind, and Cyberpunk 2077. About 150 games total so far. You do not need to subscribe to use Stadia. Subscribing gets you games each month, plus access to the 4K streaming and such. Without subscribing, you would be able to just buy a game and play right away at 1080p from their browser or phone, no need for a console. For a lot of people, that's not a shabby deal. Stadia has received a steady and consistent stream of updates and feature additions since release. Could Stadia be doing better? Probably, sure, its a tough business to break in to and I have no doubt Google would love to have millions of players already. But they don't yet. Still, the new releases keep coming, the platform updates keep coming, and I have no doubt that they intend to upgrade their backend to keep up with all the pretty RTX shenanigans on the new consoles. Is it possible for Stadia to ultimately fail? Sure. But it's just getting started right now, so most of the doom-and-gloom is silly naysaying from fanboys, trolls, and haters. Just like Sony fans were trashing on the original Xbox a couple decades ago. My two cents? I hope Stadia does well, I'd like to see another major player in the field and I think the technology has promise. HOWEVER... I personally think Microsoft is positioned to play some hard ball this generation. Game Pass Ultimate is one of the best deals in gaming, Xbox All Access appears to make sense. They're making some big studio purchases. And of course, they're not ignoring the potential of game streaming. Neither is Sony, for that matter. If the two giants are expanding in to game streaming, then I think it makes a lot of sense that Google would start there. I played the Humanity open dev on stadia. It was kinda annoying to be forced to play on google chrome since I normally use chrome for work and firefox for entertainment/not work stuff. Other than that, it was nice to load into a game fast. The line between game and browser got blurred a bit for me (I was multitasking and only partially paying attention), but stadia seems like a cool concept! Not something I'd wanna pay for personally, but I try not to pay for anything unless I'm going to play it for a while and I have limited free time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridian Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Is Stadia still a thing? I thought it was sent to keep Google+ company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisvek Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 @DarthK3vThe all-digital, all-online aspect of Stadia isn't much different than how Netflix, Spotify, etc. work today, yet those services have millions and millions of subscribers. The business model has been around for many years, and has been accepted by many paying customers. Of course, you and others aren't obligated to partake. @HeivenNot sure if you misunderstood me or not, I'm having a hard time understanding your reply in the context of what I said. I said that Stadia probably IS NOT successful enough YET for DE to consider as a platform. Also, I think @(XBOX)BRUHck Obamahas a good point, Stadia isn't yet available broadly enough to reach DE's usual target markets. Regardless, internet is essentially a requirement for any modern gaming system. Likewise, with the new consoles just released, you will need to be buying new games as well. Expecting Stadia to play the games you bought for Xbox or Play Station is a little silly, isn't it? Nobody ever seriously complains "why doesn't my Xbox play the God of War title I just bought?!?!". New platform, new games, but some of it is alleviated by the perks of a Stadia Pro subscription. GeForce Now is an interesting model too, an yes, it does things differently. There are pros and cons to weigh between the two, but I think Stadia is going for more of a "game console" environment where Nvidia is clearly going for more of a "stream your PC games" experience. IMO, GeForce Now is a cool service, but it is a lot clunkier to use than Stadia and I really don't see Nvidia prioritizing it. All of the game systems have titles ranging from big budget to small indie. Thus, Stadia has those as well. That fact doesn't negate the presence of the big titles. @(XBOX)CI shadow2397Not sure what owning "a Stadia" implies. @IIDMOIIAs I mentioned previously, the business model is very similar to something like Netflix, HBO Max, Spotify, that many millions of subscribers already use. Stadia came out a year ago. Now that the new consoles are out, there is some expectation that Stadia's backend will be upgraded to support the fancier graphics as well. Until then, this is a fair point, albeit one that only became available this month. @BahamutKaiserStadia's games can be played on devices that the other consoles' games cannot. Some people have had a hard time finding the new consoles in stock. People have had a hard time finding the newest GPUs in stock. If I want to play Cyberpunk 2077 at release and I haven't been able to find anyone who has the console or the GPU I need (that cost hundreds of dollars), I can play the game on Stadia at cost of the game alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvid Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 59 minutes ago, krisvek said: The all-digital, all-online aspect of Stadia isn't much different than how Netflix, Spotify, etc. work today, yet those services have millions and millions of subscribers. The business model has been around for many years, and has been accepted by many paying customers. The difference with Stadia is that you have to buy your games again just to play them, on top of the service subscription and the price of the hardware. In most of the examples you gave, the subscription is the only cost you need to pay to access all (or at least the majority) of their content. That's also not getting into the fact that shows and music aren't interactive media formats, and thus don't suffer as much from latency problems. You can buffer a video in advance, you can't do that with a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BahamutKaiser Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I mean, any GPU will work right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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