Choice, Reward Aside.

[ToeSama]

Big clans don't flip flop. Do you know how hard it is to get the message "Hey guys, we're running Grineer now" out to just 200 members? Groups with 1000+ members would have even more trouble. You come to a decision as a clan and stick by it. And that Clan swag (all but guaranteed with any event) is what motivates big clans to choose a side and stick to it. This coupled with the first thing I said make it highly unlikely that the first battle payment had anything to do with the general outcome of this event. As for Marti, I chalk that one up to a overwhelming decision in Corpus' favor on the part of those not in clans or those who are 'mercenaries'. As I have said, if all those not vying for top of the leaderboards and all those not in clans swapped to the Corpus, the Corpus would probably win.

 

I still hear nothing to disprove the battle pay from being a deciding factor where much of the excess of the whole game's community to go in favor of Grineer. The clans and those in it for the leaderboard positions are still few out of a markedly larger whole, even with the big clans in the picture. The rewards STILL had a big pull in it, and it's STILL BS that it did. With the landslide advantage, changing now would be a fruitless effort, and the Corpus aren't even offering up a worth while prize in attempts to sway those still in it for the goodies. The rewards are too one sided and it has caused those with focus on the return more than anything else to stick with the winning side for no reason other than the gains.

 

Even if the clans running for top make up a total 50% of the player base, the other 50% still had an active drive in tilting the scales, and there isn't anything you can say to the contrary that will disprove that the battle pay was not the most significant part of their allegiance in any of the battles to date.

Edited October 25, 2013 by ToeSama

[Llokii7]

What about the grineer battle pay of credits versus corpus handing out cells? If it's still going how it was, the battle pay's been flipped(Credits vs. Resources) and the Grineer are still leading. It may have switched though, I've been off an hour or two.

[Katakuna]

I did read it. Most people wont. I replied exactly to what he was talking about telling him to get over himself and live in reality. Truth hurts.

 

I don't think people with your mindset belong in discussions like these.

 

Believe it or not, some people enjoy these kinds of moral and ethical debates.  Even if the lore in this game is minuscule, we'll work with what we have.

[Bakim0n0]

I don't think people with your mindset belong in discussions like these.

 

Believe it or not, some people enjoy these kinds of moral and ethical debates.  Even if the lore in this game is minuscule, we'll work with what we have.

The ethical debate really boils down to:

Help the guy that wants to profit any way he can at my expense, who is, by the way, planning on ripping apart my sleeping brothers and sisters to try and figure out how we work and sell off the parts.

or

Help the genocidal, racist maniac who wants to enslave or destroy everything in the galaxy that isn't Grineer.

Both of which have a track record of supporting whole-sale slaughter and capture of tenno.

Again, where's the "kill them all" option?

[Guest]

If not for the Wraith Machete I would have been on the side of the corpus

[SIDESTRE4M]

Opening post [...]

 

I hope you see the joke about this all, because it's like the super man dilemma from the old movie... Two rockets fly in opposite direction, one will kill your girlfriend, the other lots of people. In the end he saved all by traveling back in time literally duplicating himself and thus beeing able to chose both options at the same time.

 

As we are numerous Tenno, I think there could be a backup plan by Lotus. (Plot Twist: Not, and we've got collateral damage deluxe)

 

So the true Tenno wouldn't be satisfied with only one option, because they are both the wrong ones on their own. (I assume we are the good guys in this story.)

 

As we base our moral positioning on what we know, it is not possible to chose one choice without attending to the other one.

 

I'm in favor of assisting the Grineer. 

 

There's one point that I feel many people are missing. Once we save our buddies from the Corpus labs, we can do whatever we want. We could very well up and start wiping out the Grineer just as we have been doing for a year now. And we have been doing very, very well. One Tenno can take out an entire base on their own. If we so choose, we could go and help the colonists that are supposedly in danger. This "war" is a 7 day rescue mission. The real war doesn't end in six days.

 

This was my thinking as well, because that was the best I came up with to chose something based on morals.

 

Some of you are so enveloped in the game, its rather sad. STOP ACTING LIKE YOU ARE A TENNO, wake up and realize it's just a game. Who even cares about the moral fiber of Warframe? That's like trying to assign morals to Grand Theft Auto. 

 

You can say I ignored what you wrote, but that's because 99% of people will or already did. People are going grineer for the rewards. They could care less what happens in the end. Why? Because Warframe is a game. A dying game at that. If this is what Warframe considers 'Lore' they are sadly mistaken.

 

Stop trying to think about it so much. Who cares? Why would you side with either of the tenno's enemies anyways?? If you ask me, a true tenno would kill Alad V, go get the f_cking tenno he found, and return to killing both factions. Who cares if grineer and corpus want to fight? Let them kill themselves. Then take out the remaining one. 

 

Partypooper... But well, that makes decisions easy to make... and I would do it exactly like you suggested in the last part of your post.^^

[SolidSp33d]

Nice try but it's all about the rewards since there is NO Lore.. just some small scribbles explaining why this event happens.. that's it.

 

Choice:

 

If you don't want to fight still (after many threads for nerfing them) overpowered heavy units like the Napalm or the lately insanely buffed Flamer.. go Grineer. Otherwise Corpus.

 

If you want better rewards.. go Grineer. Otherwise Corpus.

 

If you want more players to play with.. go Grineer. Otherwise Corpus.

 

If you wan't to be on the winning side when the Event ends.. stay Grineer. Otherwise you lose... as Corpus... and of course don't get any Corpus weapons because the reward system is just brilliant.

 

Choice.. that's what's this Event is all about.

I don't think you quite grasp what lore and story are.

[Aggh]

Some of you are so enveloped in the game, its rather sad. STOP ACTING LIKE YOU ARE A TENNO, wake up and realize it's just a game. Who even cares about the moral fiber of Warframe? That's like trying to assign morals to Grand Theft Auto. 

 

You can say I ignored what you wrote, but that's because 99% of people will or already did. People are going grineer for the rewards. They could care less what happens in the end. Why? Because Warframe is a game. A dying game at that. If this is what Warframe considers 'Lore' they are sadly mistaken.

 

Stop trying to think about it so much. Who cares? Why would you side with either of the tenno's enemies anyways?? If you ask me, a true tenno would kill Alad V, go get the f_cking tenno he found, and return to killing both factions. Who cares if grineer and corpus want to fight? Let them kill themselves. Then take out the remaining one. 

A dying game that peaks at 15k on steam on a daily basis.  'Kay.

[Valentine_Grim]

I replied exactly to what he was talking about telling him to get over himself

Yeah, the nerve of me...

[TennoSimons]

I disagree with this bit. That would make the choice for greed driven players even easier. Choice Side A) Get Machete and Brakk, Side B) Get Prove and Detron Side C) Get Machete, Prova, Brakk, and Detron. But the Brakk and Detron don't come pre-built with a slot and potato.

 

Ignoring Lore I'd chose side C in a heartbeat.

 

 

...except that if you chose A) or B), you would ALSO get millions of credits, several orokin catalysts and reactors and other goodies. Remember that those who chose C) would be opting out of the contract rewards. I think most people would chose A) or B). Heck, I have never before had close to as many credits as I do now. i can finally afford to fuse all my fusion cores and max my mods. And I may have credits to spare to afford transmutation once I am through.

[OblivionNecroninja]

Based on the VERY limited lore we have so far, I sided with the Grineer on the basis that stopping Alad V from starting any more system-wide fights is a great step towards (what I assume is) our goal of bringing peace to the Solar System.

[SquirmyBurrito]

...except that if you chose A) or B), you would ALSO get millions of credits, several orokin catalysts and reactors and other goodies. Remember that those who chose C) would be opting out of the contract rewards. I think most people would chose A) or B). Heck, I have never before had close to as many credits as I do now. i can finally afford to fuse all my fusion cores and max my mods. And I may have credits to spare to afford transmutation once I am through.

 

I guess I'm in the minority as far as wanting to get as many exclusives as possible.

[TheJagji]

I'm sorta ok with this concept of picking sides so long as they give us the option to pick the side of the Tenno.

 

You don't get it, do you... the Tenno are not there own side. They are like Jedi, they are there to keep the peice. In this case, it is more complex, with both sides being bad and good, in terms of our comes.

[TennoSimons]

I guess I'm in the minority as far as wanting to get as many exclusives as possible.

 

 

I wonder. I really care about exclusives.... but, seriously, I am amassing tonnes and tonnes of credits and other goodies. I think this rivals even that period when the drop table was messed up in our favour and it was raining rare resources in terms of how much it feels like Christmas. I do care about exclusives but giving up all these generous mission contract rewards or getting a couple exclusive weapons.... that would be a real dilemma (especially if going the exclusive route ratcheted up the difficulty and inestment of time needed).

[EnzoVulkoor]

But of course, the choice to help at all is strongly incentivized, which sucks, because REALLY, it is very morally unpallatable to me to side with either side.

 

The Grineer are basically interplanetary Nazis, bent on genocidal, nay, speciesidal aims.

 

The Corpus are cut-throat profiteering capitalists on crack. Think drug cartels and arms dealers.

 

 

It's worse then that. The corpus are a race of Josef Mengele's : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele

 

The Grineer at least will die out thanks to their own poisoned genetics from cloneing.

 

 

You don't get it, do you... the Tenno are not there own side. They are like Jedi, they are there to keep the peice. In this case, it is more complex, with both sides being bad and good, in terms of our comes.

 

Neither side has a good point about them though... They are both evil, dangerous, gluttonous savages.

Also it's Peace...

Edited October 26, 2013 by KuzmaVolkov

[Alkirin]

There were at least two cases where rewards were equal or slightly favored the Corpus - and the Grineer crushed them.  Popular favor falls with the Grineer.

 

For me, the choice was simple: Don't abandon your own.

 

There is no real 'lesser evil' between Grineer and Corpus if you understand what either of them are and consider just how populated the Mars region would be.  Just a simple fact that Alad has the cryopods and is willing to see his assets burn in order to keep them.

 

So he'll burn.

[W4RH3AD]

Really well thought out! Though, I would like to think of my own Tenno as a 'Merc' who does not care about his fellow Tenno as long as he profits.. Regardless, I sided with Grineer, well, cause, I think it would benefit the Tenno more.

 

My reasoning was that, in the long run, the Grineer would slowly decay because of their weird cloning practises while the Corpus would continue to earn profit and even unlock new technology. Despite being a big and mean empire, the Grineer would slowly become easier to kill, while the Corpus would become harder. Imagine mass-producing Hyenas, and Raptors... Experiments on fellow Tenno would also not bring favourable results to all Tenno everywhere.

 

Bigger threat = Corpus.

This event = Get rid of Corpus first

Best faction to side with = Grineer.

[Valentine_Grim]

Really well thought out! Though, I would like to think of my own Tenno as a 'Merc' who does not care about his fellow Tenno as long as he profits.. Regardless, I sided with Grineer, well, cause, I think it would benefit the Tenno more.

 

My reasoning was that, in the long run, the Grineer would slowly decay because of their weird cloning practises while the Corpus would continue to earn profit and even unlock new technology. Despite being a big and mean empire, the Grineer would slowly become easier to kill, while the Corpus would become harder. Imagine mass-producing Hyenas, and Raptors... Experiments on fellow Tenno would also not bring favourable results to all Tenno everywhere.

Good point! The whole affair was designed as struggle between equals, where Tenno involvement shifts the balance to either side (effectively making it not Grineer vs Corpus, but Tenno vs Tenno, but it is more of a real world gameplay feature). With Corpus being more "promising" in terms of future menace, aiding their advancement seems rather unfavourable.

By the way, my reasoning had similar notions - I'm doing this not because I have undying loyalty to Lotus, other Tenno as a whole or a particular group of them. Cold calculus and smoking remains of personal "code of honour". Saving captives mattered, but wasn't a deciding factor.