curious but how heavy are warframes?

[Mephane]

On 2020-11-30 at 9:39 PM, Corvid said:

Unless I'm mistaken, one could potentially calculate a proper weight by their acceleration and terminal velocity when in freefall (if one were to, for example, travel up to the flight ceiling on the Plains of Eidolon, it would be fairly simple to measure both).

Terminal velocity is a function of the object's mass, gravity, and air friction, which in turn is a function of the current velocity, the shape of the object, its orientation, and its surface material(s). So yeah, it gets very complicated and is not really a practical way to determine the mass.

[SneakyErvin]

3 hours ago, (XBOX)CI shadow2397 said:

Then fat asses would crack almost any surface they landed on. I don’t think any frame would weight a ton. However in do think at the very heaviest they would weight 300lbs.

They probably should. I think most of the bigger frames would weigh 300lbs before accounting for their armor given that they are made up of purely muscles more or less. Now if they were wearing/infused by alloy armor and not ferrite the weight wouldnt increase that much ontop of their "natural" body weight. But ferrite is mostly based on iron.

The easiest thing to think about in comparison to larger and more bulky frames would be modern day bikes, since you get about the same space occupied by the outer mass. Bikes however have alot of hollow spaces in them aswell as large amounts of plastics and light weight metals. A bike can still reach a weight of over 400kg. Frames dont have alot of hollow spaces in them, it is all densly packed muscles infused with some form of iron/steel. Grendel may look like a fatty, but that space is all occupied by muscles in the end along with ablative armor ontop.

Now obviously the lighter frame weigh far less because they have less space to be occupied by muscles and they dont wear nearly as much ablative armor. Though someone like Hildryn or Atlas is probably somewhere in the 180-200kg range before the ferrite armor/infusion is added, with a total weight of 550-600kg, since I'm quite sure the ferrite they wear or that is part of their system would weigh about as much as a not so very dense modern day bike. Then Rhino and Grendel that have far more mass or can turn themselves into a walking stick of ferrite probably reaches the 1000kg range, which would explain how both of them can make damaging shockwaves with their body, Rhino through landing and Grendel when turning into a ball and bouncing.

[(XBOX)CI shadow2397]

6 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

Frames dont have alot of hollow spaces in them

Laughs in Xaku 

6 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

Rhino through landing and Grendel when turning into a ball and bouncing.

So just like my uncle

[(XBOX)CI shadow2397]

2 hours ago, DarthK3v said:

I think the actual range in weights is likely to be small. Most Warframes probably weigh very similar to each other, with the sole exception of Zephyr. I also think their weights are closer to that of average Grineer and Corpus troops. There are a few factors leading me to this conclusion:

• Every Warframe (except Zephyr) has a consistent rate of acceleration in free fall across all maps. Therefore their weights must be close in value if not identical. In my limited testing, enemy units seem to share the same free fall acceleration.
• Every Warframe can balance on ziplines, which limits their maximum weight otherwise they'd snap the line. Even assuming the line is made from some super strong material, we have to consider pulling the anchors from their housing in rock faces, and the fact the cables can still sag proving they cannot be made of something too dense.
• Every Warframe (except Atlas due to his passive) can be knocked over by various enemies roughly the same size as us. If Warframes weighed much more than them, this would run counter to Newton's third law; for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. No matter how strong a being is, trying to knock over something heavier than them without some kind of counter-balance would cause an opposite force negating all of their effort. Note even Grineer Shield Lancers are capable of knocking a Warframe over with a simple shield bash.
• EDIT: Adding to the previous point, Even Grineer Scorpions can drag us to them, meaning they must have a similar or greater mass to a Warframe. Otherwise they would be pulled to the Warframe instead.
• Forces such as explosions or shockwaves which can knock over both Warframes and enemies tend to throw both roughly the same distances. This would only be true if every individual being thrown weighed roughly the same amount.

Admittedly, this can also be explained by Warframe's own physics being relatively simple to cut down in the math being done by the engine during gameplay. But since we have no basis with which to compare Warframes to real life, this is all we have to go on from a scientific basis. We can try to draw comparisons between Grineer or Corpus troops and existing analogues in real life, but with no way to confirm how true those guesses might be. However, we can still use the points above to assume Warframes generally weigh the same as each other and as other units in the Warframe universe. To go further we'd need a canon weight on something in the universe so we could attempt to extrapolate from there.

Zephyr is probably made from oxium which maker her light. 
rhino is probably heavier than everyone else.

And atlas.... just never skipped leg day.

[Jorak_Falconstar]

not exactly relevant to the conversation of weight, but size..

 

I recall one of the dev's saying in a dev stream when they were working on The Second Dream quest Mag was used as a place holder for when the warframe was carrying the operator as she is the shortest of the warframes, or was at that time.

 

I'd love to see some kind chart showing the height of each warframe with their default helmet so we have sense of scale for things

[(XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom]

4 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

Though someone like Hildryn or Atlas is probably somewhere in the 180-200kg range before the ferrite armor/infusion is added, with a total weight of 550-600kg, since I'm quite sure the ferrite they wear or that is part of their system would weigh about as much as a not so very dense modern day bike.

Warframes don’t have ferrite armor.

[Birdframe_Prime]

On 2020-12-03 at 10:50 PM, (XBOX)CI shadow2397 said:

Hah 6,7”

Then you claim superiority over not just my height, but every Warframe that doesn't wear a hat.

[TheKurtiStryke]

On 2020-11-30 at 9:18 PM, Berzerkules said:

They are actually a lot lighter than you think

grendel: allow me to introduce myself

[Berzerkules]

On 2020-12-05 at 2:52 AM, TheKurtiStryke said:

grendel: allow me to introduce myself

We've met. Didn't like the guy so I fed him to this infested alien mouth thing in my space ship. Good riddance. 

 

[Aadi880]

I think most weighted would be grendel or rhino now around 300Kg.

Least weighted would be Zephyr, whose weight would be around 3 Kg whilst filled with helium.

In case of Titania, whatever her weight is, will not change even if she shrunk to pixie form if her shrinking mechanism involves increasing her density as an independent variable.

[SneakyErvin]

7 hours ago, (XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom said:

Warframes don’t have ferrite armor.

Yes indeed they do or did when tenno still had weaknesses. It is also used in the majority of frames in their system or chassis along with alloy. 

We have certain things to go on in the game, which is as close to canon we can get regarding what the frames are made up of. Or we can make something up and call it void metal (oh that sounds like an awesome subgenre) that has no connection to the info we have access to in the game.

So since ferrite is used in blueprints and we used to have ferrite specific weaknesses, warframes definently have ferrite armor, and some quite large amounts of it.

[(XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom]

13 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

Yes indeed they do or did when tenno still had weaknesses. It is also used in the majority of frames in their system or chassis along with alloy. 

We have certain things to go on in the game, which is as close to canon we can get regarding what the frames are made up of. Or we can make something up and call it void metal (oh that sounds like an awesome subgenre) that has no connection to the info we have access to in the game.

So since ferrite is used in blueprints and we used to have ferrite specific weaknesses, warframes definently have ferrite armor, and some quite large amounts of it.

And they don’t have ferrite weaknesses anymore. So it’s not canon they use ferrite armor now. And just because they use ferrite as a building component doesn’t mean they have ferrite armor. Some warframes don’t even have ferrite as a crafting component.

[(XBOX)CI shadow2397]

3 hours ago, Birdframe_Prime said:

Then you claim superiority over not just my height, but every Warframe that doesn't wear a hat.

Hah I am the ultimate warframe

[rushari]

Rhino is a little problematic in this area from his passive to ultimate. He either has too much mass or he can manipulate gravity.

[SneakyErvin]

9 hours ago, (XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom said:

And they don’t have ferrite weaknesses anymore. So it’s not canon they use ferrite armor now. And just because they use ferrite as a building component doesn’t mean they have ferrite armor. Some warframes don’t even have ferrite as a crafting component.

And that doesnt change anything since it was simply a QoL change "for now". If we are to go by the logic that they dont use ferrite now, their armor is made of nothing at all nor do they actually have any form of body since they have no weaknesses from either health type class, they also dont have an actual shield. So in short, Warframes dont exsist at all.

No one has said they all have ferrite as crafting components either, but they still all have certain amounts of ferrite armor, even if that is just a shoulder plate or some thin chest plates. And the weight I was talking about was regarding some very specific frames.

And to put the ferrite into perspective. Steel, which the finalized ferrite armor likely is, has a weight of about 1lbs per 3 square inches.

[(XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom]

10 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

And that doesnt change anything since it was simply a QoL change "for now". If we are to go by the logic that they dont use ferrite now, their armor is made of nothing at all nor do they actually have any form of body since they have no weaknesses from either health type class, they also dont have an actual shield. So in short, Warframes dont exsist at all.

Complete non-sequiter. Just because it has no weaknesses doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. By this logic, Vay Hek had no health at all since he had no weaknesses. Ghouls still have flesh armor then, since the change to ferrite was just “qol”

[SneakyErvin]

3 hours ago, (XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom said:

Complete non-sequiter. Just because it has no weaknesses doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. By this logic, Vay Hek had no health at all since he had no weaknesses. Ghouls still have flesh armor then, since the change to ferrite was just “qol”

Obviously it does since you say it is no longer ferrite simply because the negatives are removed. It is still the same ferrite/alloy mix since those materials are used in the frames and it derives from the orokin era and the first frames. The stretch we can make is that it is simply better made compared to that of the grineer and corpus, just like the frame shields are also better. It doesnt change what it is made of, since there are only so many materials used when the frames are built. Same with the Railjack that is also considered to have "Tenno Armor" now, it still has the same old Orokin made hull and not some mystical tenno cook-up.

Like I said, we can make something up like void metal, but it wouldnt actually be a thing since it isnt made by the tenno, it was made for the frames and later also the tenno by the orokin from the materials obtainable in Sol. As for the ghouls, that was an oversight since they still have the cloned flesh health class and flesh isnt an armor type.

[(XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom]

6 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

Like I said, we can make something up like void metal, but it wouldnt actually be a thing since it isnt made by the tenno, it was made for the frames and later also the tenno by the orokin from the materials obtainable in Sol

Warframe armor is literally their hardened flesh. The Orokin didn't make it for warframes, nor did the Tenno. Their armor is a byproduct of the helminth strain transforming the victim.

6 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

It is still the same ferrite/alloy mix since those materials are used in the frames and it derives from the orokin era and the first frames.

Hildryn/Nidus/Trinity Prime have no alloy or ferrite components required to make. Do they still have ferrite/alloy armor?
 

6 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

As for the ghouls, that was an oversight since they still have the cloned flesh health class and flesh isnt an armor type.

Nice 2.2 year oversight. Tusk Thumpers must've been an oversight too. Deliberately set to have Alloy Armor health in U24.7, but come U27.4 it suddenly changes to machinery.

[ChaoticEdge]

weigh the male only, don't weigh the women frame the reason why you'll active the raging women group and they'll be really super mad at you

[(XBOX)CI shadow2397]

18 minutes ago, ChaoticEdge said:

weigh the male only, don't weigh the women frame the reason why you'll active the raging women group and they'll be really super mad at you

Boooo

[DarthK3v]

7 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

Obviously it does since you say it is no longer ferrite simply because the negatives are removed. It is still the same ferrite/alloy mix since those materials are used in the frames and it derives from the orokin era and the first frames. The stretch we can make is that it is simply better made compared to that of the grineer and corpus, just like the frame shields are also better. It doesnt change what it is made of, since there are only so many materials used when the frames are built. Same with the Railjack that is also considered to have "Tenno Armor" now, it still has the same old Orokin made hull and not some mystical tenno cook-up.

Like I said, we can make something up like void metal, but it wouldnt actually be a thing since it isnt made by the tenno, it was made for the frames and later also the tenno by the orokin from the materials obtainable in Sol. As for the ghouls, that was an oversight since they still have the cloned flesh health class and flesh isnt an armor type.

I would actually argue Warframes do not have armor made of solid iron simply because Operators have the same armor class. So Warframes may use ferrite/iron in their construction, but their armor is clearly a special alloy of some sort. An alloy which may include iron in its construction, but is not pure iron. If it were pure iron, do you think these scrawny kids could run around while wearing it?

And when you consider the fact Operator armor is determined completely independently from their cosmetics, that lends credence to the idea Warframe/Operator armor really is some sort of "void metal" as you yourself suggested. Some sort of metaphysical force that's only sorta there but fully capable of resisting blows. Additionally, iron is useful in many ways besides armor plating. It's conductive, meaning it can be used in wiring, so any Warframe using ferrite as a crafting material might not even be using it for armor. Copper would be better, but we don't have a copper crafting material. Coprun from PoE is more of a copper-zinc alloy.

In turn, this means Warframes might actually be much lighter than we think, if their armor is a magical force rather than physical toughness.

[SneakyErvin]

18 minutes ago, (XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom said:

Warframe armor is literally their hardened flesh. The Orokin didn't make it for warframes, nor did the Tenno. Their armor is a byproduct of the helminth strain transforming the victim.

Hildryn/Nidus/Trinity Prime have no alloy or ferrite components required to make. Do they still have ferrite/alloy armor?
 

Nice 2.2 year oversight. Tusk Thumpers must've been an oversight too. Deliberately set to have Alloy Armor health in U24.7, but come U27.4 it suddenly changes to machinery.

In some cases it can be their hardended flesh, that still doesnt mean it isnt a mix of ferrite and alloy. The helminth works as the infestation and can produce whatever material is needed, which is why Boilers can fart out "fresh" infested grineer or robots without needing an actual host. Other frames simply have it as an ablative armor, or in some cases they have both. You can see it clearly on Umbra that there is an actual layer of armor ontop his biological inside. And you can see on Xaku that the helminth can create a metal based framework/chassis without needing much in the way of alloys or metals.

Yes those frames would have it too since helminth would be able to create it. The materials needed in the process could very well be what helminth actually needs or well needed at the time the frame version was initially created. Which would make sense given what we know now about Helminth.

[SneakyErvin]

25 minutes ago, DarthK3v said:

I would actually argue Warframes do not have armor made of solid iron simply because Operators have the same armor class. So Warframes may use ferrite/iron in their construction, but their armor is clearly a special alloy of some sort. An alloy which may include iron in its construction, but is not pure iron. If it were pure iron, do you think these scrawny kids could run around while wearing it?

And when you consider the fact Operator armor is determined completely independently from their cosmetics, that lends credence to the idea Warframe/Operator armor really is some sort of "void metal" as you yourself suggested. Some sort of metaphysical force that's only sorta there but fully capable of resisting blows. Additionally, iron is useful in many ways besides armor plating. It's conductive, meaning it can be used in wiring, so any Warframe using ferrite as a crafting material might not even be using it for armor. Copper would be better, but we don't have a copper crafting material. Coprun from PoE is more of a copper-zinc alloy.

In turn, this means Warframes might actually be much lighter than we think, if their armor is a magical force rather than physical toughness.

You forget one thing though, the Railjack has the same armor aswell, which has no connection to neither the Warframes or the Tenno when it comes to its origin or time of creation. The 3 have 3 different types of armors unified under a single name for the sake of game system mechanics. Warframes are made up of heavy metals, alloys, crystals and gases, along with unknown nanite materials derived from the infestation that can turn into pretty much anything. The spookshow babies have gods know what to protect them and the railjacks use "standard" metals and so on.

It cannot be some "void metal" since the timeline just wouldnt allow for it since there were frames prior to the kids and the tenno made frames are created from very regular materials through assembly in a machine (and the railjack pre-dates them both and is still classified as "Tenno Armor" now). Regarding the wiring thing, that would be a possibilty up until we got our hands on Xaku, but after seeing Xaku we know that frames dont have normal wiring. So that leaves the ferrite and other metals/alloys to be either helminth food or something for helmith to bond with in order to strengthen "muscles" or the chassis structure inside, or to represent the outer protective shell on certain frames. Though I'm fairly sure Helminth creates what is needed, just like the infestation, aslong as it is sustained with materials to break down, assimilate and recreate through its bio-nanites.

[(XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom]

32 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

The helminth works as the infestation and can produce whatever material is needed, which is why Boilers can fart out "fresh" infested grineer or robots without needing an actual host. Other frames simply have it as an ablative armor, or in some cases they have both. You can see it clearly on Umbra that there is an actual layer of armor ontop his biological inside. And you can see on Xaku that the helminth can create a metal based framework/chassis without needing much in the way of alloys or metals.

 

So now we’re hand waving away the need for ferrite and alloy components. So warframe armor might as well be void armor while we’re handwaving. After all, Helminth can just fabricate entirely new substances.

So again, no real evidence that warframes have ferrite armor. Previous armor classes that have been used have been retconned away, like Thumper’s health class and ghoul’s armor class.

[ChaoticEdge]

1 hour ago, (XBOX)CI shadow2397 said:

Boooo

try ask them of their weight in real life, you'll get the beating.