A Chance To Make It Right

[ChewyMilk]

Throw in those visors of yours, along with Orokin Reactor and Catalyst blueprints, AND that... dog... robot... robot dog? Robot dog... Thing.... And I MIGHT fight for the Infeste- I mean Corpus... No, my Volt was NOT zapping that flying blue bird thing that seemed to zap other Corpus units with blue lightning that gave them shields... Yes, Loki does look like a samurai with a hammer head shark's head. ... Well this was a sort of long and useless post... I'm gonna get those dislike things for this, aren't I?

[icedcoffee394]

I will serve you whether we're winning or failing. I have no problem fighting for you.

[Love2Camp]

The Grineer and the Corpus are but meat for the grinder. We will grind that meat regardless of who is the larger faction.

When the sleeping Tenno are safe, even the Grineer will feel the butcher's cleaver.

[SCP_682]

Long live alad v

[SSC-47]

Why not just destroy both the Grineer and Corpus fleets? We have the resources to do it and it would free the Tenno and cripple both the Grineer and the Corpus permanently.

[Felblood]

Every faction is a warmongering, unsympathetic machine. Because of how bad the writing is at DE, they had to flat out tell us the Tenno were the good guys. Like thousands of other people, after hearing "You have amnesia, but you should totally trust me" I was wary of the Lotus' intentions. The writing for this game is akin to  a Saturday morning cartoon and that is just sad to see. The Tenno are murderous thugs, they garner no sympathy. But NOW~! We gotta stop the Grinner from spreading...into what? The only 3 factions that consist of humanoids are the only 3 that matter. There are no civilians that we know of, we are not trying to bring balance or peace. Lotus uses us like mercenaries for hire, we end up helping both sides all the time.

 

So this entire lazily done event has presented two options.

 

1. Help the Corpus and fail to uphold the only purpose given to the Tenno by DE, which is to save Tenno.

2. Help the Grineer and get our fellow Tenno back. Then use the awakened Tenno to fight back the Grineer.

 

A Tenno is worth 20,000 Grineer or Corpus, maybe more. If every single mission is extermination or whatever the Corpus missions are (I wouldn't know since I am not a traitor), this event is a bust. There is nothing to these missions. I don't know what I was expecting, but it was more than single mission runs. Have large flowing fights, Have you fight along side a Champion like Vor/Kril or a pack of Hyenas/Jackle. Have some interactions with Vor to show the uneasiness between us, that he vehemently hates us for foiling the Sling-Stone operation. Maybe have some Fomorian ship missions to get the Infested involved in some capacity. There is no reason this event could not have been a combination and expansion of concepts and ideas previously explored. I was hoping for more free-form choice driven levels, having multiple objectives; to interact with the enemy. You know, have it go all out. This event is reward heavy, but light on content. You know, the stuff that matters. It introduces no new concepts for game modes/the way we play, just more needless grind.

 

I will say it again. If you create compelling and fun gameplay, you don't need 1000 weapons or 300 Warframes. The ideas here were nice, the delivery of information was botched and the logic is just stupid. This coupled with the fact it is the same game being played, just with window dressing. This event does not create or give off the feeling of being "epic" (hate that word). It is just a means to show off new content(4 weapons) and does nothing to promote creating player-driven choices that resonate in the gameplay. It is still running up and down the same interchangeable hallways killing the same enemies. This event shows off how stupid the A.I. is. Instead of moving as a unit with them, they all just cluster F*** around. I was picturing boarding parties, squads of structured/diverse units, you know make it seem like it wasn't just the A.I. being dragged along by a sting. I was expecting to maybe encounter Vor in the field. If you are working with the Grineer, he pelts you with scathing remarks, but asks your team to take out a generator and gives you some men and a bomb to do so. Then you return to him for a final push. Break up these more structured missions with the samey rushed oriented crap and you got yourself a truly grand event in scope. The allied Corpus/Grineer are not even helpful. It is a novelty at best. They get in the way and the number of enemies present do not warrant the number of Tenno or allied faction present. So you have a "huge battle" happening within the same confined areas all other missions take place in, yet you jam more people in there (a majority of which you cannot shoot); the number of enemies does not require so many allied soldiers like I stated. If you were to spawn with a boarding party or a Champion unit and a party, then proceed to work through the level with a clear objective in mind; that would be way more compelling and something actually different(granted not much different, but still). You would have less clutter and a more directed flow to the mission.This event wreaks of laziness or lack direction/imagination, maybe both.

 

To break this down into being about telling your story for the sake of telling your story, that is not the way to approach this. You are only looking to create means to an end in which you tell the story of the Berserker; which will become stale if it is presented in a similar way the current lore is. To run through a level and hear the same dialogue over and over and over again sucks, it lessens the impact of what is said. If we have to grind for Berserker prints and a story is attached to the levels in the form of "words words words words words" of the same 5 or so lines of dialouge, you have screwed something up.

 

If you are only focused on telling one story, focusing on what is best for your story; you are doing it wrong. You need to tell your story in the best way possible for the good of the product as a whole. If that means compromising your story to let the players make a choice, so be it. If you are going to game the system to try and force a Corpus victory to tell the story of the Beserker, again that is dumb. This sudden interest in lore is just that. Instead of taking the time to think this out and present it a compelling way, you rushed it out the door. You had to change the stipulations at the last second to make the event even make any kind of sense, which it still doesn't.

 

This has become an extension of the grind with window dressing and not the awesome event it was made out to be.

 

 

Okay, I can respect the emotional place this is coming from, but I have to disagree with a lot of your points.

 

Bringing in the other boss characters would really take the spotlight off of these guys, who haven't really had any before. I'm sure they'll get their time to shine at the end, like the new enemies in the Corpus Void Event.

 

If the same characters who featured in the last two events show up, it makes it look like General Ruk can't get anything done without Captain Vor, and Lieutentant Kril, and that would make his forces look small and make the world seem small. Those guys need to go on the back burner, before they get even more overexposed. (Vor in particular, should keep far away from any operation where an alliance with Tenno who care about their frozen brothers are involved. Even if the others are allowed to be somewhat sympathetic, he should always be the guy we hate.)

 

That said, it would be nice if there had been more tiles in the asteroid area, that could be combined in more interesting ways. Still, this is a test of our ability to speenrun the existing Corpus and Greneer tiles, and it would be silly if most of the map wasn't familiar territory for veteran players to rack up laps in. In an F2P game like this, a good designer rewards players for taking the time to hone their skills.

 

 

As to your issue with the weakness of the story, I have to disagree with you entirely. The writing isn't bad, it is simply absent. The most common, english adjectives used in the little writing we do get are "mysterious" and "cryptic". We are literaly at the beginning of this tale, and like our characters, we cannot remember anything that happened before this.

 

This might seem like the writers weasiling out of doing thier job, but actually it's a way to open up the possibility of events like this one. Events where players vote (by playing the game) to determine what the motivations of the player faction are.

 

The question we are asked today is, "Do the Tenno value their fellow Tenno's interests above the good of the common people?" Do we follow the cause we were given at the outset, or do we sally forth like knights errant, to do noble deeds at great cost to our own people? Granted, this would be a better question if we had any kind of information about the common people of this system, and whether being a Greneer slave is measurably worse than being a Corpus slave, but it is an interesting nod toward allowing the players to tell their own story, and present their own perspective to the developers.

 

Giving different badges to players who supported either side, regardless of the winner was an inspired move. I expect to see players from the losing side wearing theirs with far more pride than the winners (and not just because the Corpus badge is much better looking ;P).

 

Overall, considering the medium they're working in (heavily instanced, randomly generated dungeons for an action RPG) this is some really good environmental story-telling. However, the scale of this world was constructed from the get-go to tell the story outside of the levels where possible, becasue there is only so much you can do with a random level generator. By making the world so large and mysterious, they give themselves the leeway to tell you that something happened far from you, and that's why you didn't see it. You might not appreciate this particular piece of artifice, but I have to admit, it's quite clever.

 

Overall, I think the story in this game is fine for what it is, and what it is is "not the point of this game." The point of this game is murdering hundreds of dudes with your parkour-ninjitsu, and looting their bodies to feed your skinner-box addiction. You can invest yourself in the story if you want, nd lord knows I have, but for most players, this event is just another way to farm potatoes.

[jasons445a]

Pfffftt, I see that knife behind your back!

 

But, maybe if you give us your pet's blueprints...

you wish

[Mephiste]

Well, well. Look brothers! Pleading assistance to an enemy and alleged "lab rats". I thought you were too superior for MY kind, Alad? Why should we help those who experiment on our brethrens? The Grineer may gain power through your strategic losses, but in the end, Tenno will always prevail against the Grineer, for they lack vision and wisdom. You on the other hand, no, we cannot let our technology fall into the wrong hands, especially not you.

 

We will destroy you first. First.

 

I'd rather be experimented on than my kind enslaved and slaughtered like animals.

[Edradicator]

We will flight with you as long as you help us save the tenno from the Grineer and don't do anything surpious to your warframe pods, for now though....death the the GRINEER PURGE THEM ALL

[SSC-47]

I take it that nobody here thinks in terms of strategy or tactics and are merely seeing who can sound more epicly awesome then the last one:p

[Erysium]

I think we should still fight for the grineer because 5 orokin cells aren't that hard to get

[Mephiste]

I'm okay with Alad V keeping the pods.

Besides, It will probably help the Corpus understand us better and we'll maybe get some cool Corpus Upgrades.

While the Grineer is probably just USING us to gain control of yet another system.

 

The Queens can go burn in the dephts of this universe. Long live the Corpus.

[Mephiste]

I think we should still fight for the grineer because 5 orokin cells aren't that hard to get

 

I find your loyalty to the treacherous dogs pathetic, Tenno.

[zorgpro2013]

if you give me detron i.m change side

[Fortyforty]

sure "why" not

[YotomoKistari]

Tenno, I see it is difficult to persuade you. You are smart, I know this, help me take back Quirinus from the oppressive Grineer, for there is no telling what horrors they’ve done to the innocent!

Nope not a chance Alad V i will elp save my tenno brethen no matter what, riches mean nothing as your word means nothing. I will help grineer in this war whatever it takes to dispose of you and your puppets and save my brothers and sisters and when it is all said in then we WILL do the same to the Grineer! i Impore all tenno fight for Grineer save our brothers and sisters we will bring alance back to the universe! 

                                                                                                                                                                          Sincerely, YotomoKistari

[Ivanourz]

Seems not fair

[Keetsune]

Corpus is the only rational choice.

Only few know what sacrificing for a greater good means.

 

Dont give up hope so soon  - Our most feared enemies are fighting themself. Let`s take advatage of this.

 

The Grineer dogs wont stand against Alads brain combined with our Tenno power.

 

Be smart and stick with the smart ones.

You should die for your crimes against Tenno.

[Muminidas]

if you give me detron i.m change side

Dear Sir, first you have to help Corpus supporters achieve their goals. There's no pay for easy way. 

Grineer supremacy over Mars will be stopped. 

Tenno's purpose is to keep balance, make forces of both factions in the Solar system equal. If Grineer spread over another planet we can't be certain we will stop them. 

This goes for our captured Brothers too, they will fulfill their purpose by Sacrafice. 

[DELTORA15]

boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[(NSW)Erudin]

:D Buy Me Pizza Alad V

[SSC-47]

Corpus is the only rational choice.

Only few know what sacrificing for a greater good means.

 

Dont give up hope so soon  - Our most feared enemies are fighting themself. Let`s take advatage of this.

 

The Grineer dogs wont stand against Alads brain combined with our Tenno power.

 

Be smart and stick with the smart ones.

Why sacrifice anything when we can just destroy both of them now?

[SoulConnector]

Tenno, I see it is difficult to persuade you. You are smart, I know this, help me take back Quirinus from the oppressive Grineer, for there is no telling what horrors they’ve done to the innocent!

Alad V, I see that you are not as smart as we do, you still try to persuade us with those greedy words. You give us worthless rewards to sacrifice for our kind. Either you give us a supreme rewards for each battle(like a hundred potatoes.) , or explain and stop your Zanuka Project and give us a those worthless rewards. Then we will reconsider. For now, we shall continue crushing the greedy milk out of your heads.

 

Tenno

Edited October 26, 2013 by SoulConnector

[NeusDK]

I gonna make you feel the pain that you caused to my brothers.

[spysweeper242]

I will agree to help you Alad , but in trade I wish to have the glaive in return for leaving grinner.