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4 minutes ago, Yrkul said:

Annexing neigboring territories, slavery and indentured servitude, putting ethnic and religious minorities as well as political dissidents in concentration camps, involuntary organ harvesting, and the brutal suppression of critical voices in H K will easily put them in the same category. And if you'd follow the Covid-19 from the start, you'll see all kinds of transgressions of human rights in the CCP's attempt to control the spread.

Read up on business analytics and commentary of chinese business trends and practices, and you'll find their general methodology being extremely predatory and insidious.

Literally the same that other countries did. I mean, I don't support that behavior or I want to validate it, its just that is genuinely hypocrite stating that kind of stuff as "concerning" while there is plenty of similar examples on other "good" or "based" countries. Don't get me started on how canadian mining holdings are literally destroying Chile right now and poisining people's water, for example. 

Have you aver heard about Guantanamo? Because operates to this day too :)

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16 minutes ago, vanaukas said:

Have you aver heard about Guantanamo? Because operates to this day too :)

Oh, yes. Still not as bad as the Xinjiang "re-education camp", but yes. It is a disgrace on the last three administrations, that Guantanamo still exists.

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1 minute ago, Yrkul said:

Oh, yes. Still not as bad as the Xinjiang "re-education camp", but yes. It is a disgrace on the last three administrations, that Guantanamo still exists.

And waht we can do to stop that? Literally nothing. I wish things were different, but for the topic sake, I just wanted to say that there is plenty of humanr rights violations on conuntries that export services and we pay for those services (hell, even coca cola support war crimes). I think is a valid choice having personal perefences on what you want spend time or money, but why making a distinction between violations to human rights? If people were genuinelly worried about it, they won't stop just with China issues. Data surveilance is a common trend on US goverments too. I still remember Julian Assange.

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12 minutes ago, vanaukas said:

And waht we can do to stop that?

Activism. Folk journalism. Going into politics.

Or at the very least, discuss. Bring the issues into focus. Point out the work of Assange and Snowden, and let people decide which rabbit holes to dive into. Every subject access point helps.

Apathy on the other hand changes nothing.

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9 minutes ago, Yrkul said:

Activism. Folk journalism. Going into politics.

Or at the very least, discuss. Bring the issues into focus. Point out the work of Assange and Snowden, and let people decide which rabbit holes to dive into. Every subject access point helps.

Apathy on the other hand changes nothing.

I've been doing that for literal years to no result. The only different thing is my own misery when I do know I support horrid things without even wanting to do it.

Kinda like Lord Byron said:

"Sorrow is knowledge, those that know the most must mourn the deepest, the tree of knowledge is not the tree of life."

A long time ago I considered went full offline because I couldn't fight borderline suicidal thoughts based on that misery, but I've learned to cope with those feelings through the years...

(In fact, I don't even want to have kids for the sole reason that whis world is corrupted to the roots and I don't want to be a part of more suffering of an innocent human being).

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15 minutes ago, vanaukas said:

I've been doing that for literal years to no result. The only different thing is my own misery when I do know I support horrid things without even wanting to do it.

Kinda like Lord Byron said:

"Sorrow is knowledge, those that know the most must mourn the deepest, the tree of knowledge is not the tree of life."

A long time ago I considered went full offline because I couldn't fight borderline suicidal thoughts based on that misery, but I've learned to cope with those feelings through the years...

(In fact, I don't even want to have kids for the sole reason that whis world is corrupted to the roots and I don't want to be a part of more suffering of an innocent human being).

 

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It would be fascinating if Tencent starts putting surveillance on anyone that chooses the Steel Meridian syndicate. As long as DE continues to support human rights and continues to include elements of granting refugee status and of freedom from debt and slavery in their story telling, that's all I can ask for.

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On 2020-12-23 at 1:44 AM, Revenant said:

I can hardly believe that anything Tencent-related is a good thing. 

I agree with you, 100%.  I'm glad DE is surviving and thriving, but not sure how I feel about this acquisition.

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On 2020-12-22 at 6:31 PM, [DE]Rebecca said:

Tenno!

Depending how long you’ve been around these parts, you may remember we had some acquisition news to share in 2014 and 2016.

Years have gone by, Warframe has grown and grown, and as 2020 wraps up we have another round of Acquisition news to share.

Digital Extremes (that’s us) is now owned by Tencent. We’re joining the ranks of some of our favourite developers, too! We will maintain our independence and vision for Warframe throughout it all.

Full news can be read here: https://www.digitalextremes.com/news/digital-extremes-partners-with-tencent

For better or worse, you’re still stuck with our decisions :P! 

Sad....cheers & jeers, I will miss this community.... I have issues with Tencent's poor ethics towards my people. It was not a wasted investment..... Warframe's founders and Dev's made a gamers game.

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37 minutes ago, Strangeday said:

Sad....cheers & jeers, I will miss this community.... I have issues with Tencent's poor ethics towards my people. It was not a wasted investment..... Warframe's founders and Dev's made a gamers game.

Dude, nothing is changing. Lol

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13 часов назад, CorvusTheHeretic сказал:

It's not the data most people are worried about.

Chinese laws requre that to operate in China, a chinese company must have a significant share in the operating company's stock, which will allow them to excert certain degree of control over it.  With these laws Chinese government uses Tencent and few other companies like it as a proxy to own a share of any company that operates on their territory, as a bonus to the usual taxation, and they use that share to excert as much control over the media that is available in their country as possible. They are a totalitarian regime that commits literal genocide as you read this message. Partaking in the deals with Tencent means literally giving money to the totalitarists. From any money you spend on Warframe now, part goes to Chinese government, even if transaction happened outside of China's jurisdiction.

This is same reason people oppose Epic Game Store, as Epic now is a 40% chinese company, since 40% of them was acquired by Tencent.

The real thing is... Why do you care about people in other country... If they don’t care themselves? Like if it’s so scared kraken, why not go make revolution, like people always were doing in my country (not that it really helped change things, but still, lol). Anyway China do NOTHING to ME, meanwhile west and mostly AMERICA literally DO things to me. It supports one of the most corrupted government in the world, leading my country to the abyss with no future on some purpose. Why should I care about asian killing asian (if they are okay with it) if I’m under pressure myself now, and nobody cares about me? It’s cool to not live in third world and think about problems in third world, people in west should really stop sticking their nose in other countries business.

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27 minutes ago, SpiritTeA said:

The real thing is... Why do you care about people in other country... If they don’t care themselves? Like if it’s so scared kraken, why not go make revolution, like people always were doing in my country (not that it really helped change things, but still, lol). Anyway China do NOTHING to ME, meanwhile west and mostly AMERICA literally DO things to me. It supports one of the most corrupted government in the world, leading my country to the abyss with no future on some purpose. Why should I care about asian killing asian (if they are okay with it) if I’m under pressure myself now, and nobody cares about me? It’s cool to not live in third world and think about problems in third world, people in west should really stop sticking their nose in other countries business.

Because many of us aren't Apathetic/Racists and care about human lives even if their skin isn't the same as our own.

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On 2020-12-22 at 4:31 PM, [DE]Rebecca said:

Tenno!

Depending how long you’ve been around these parts, you may remember we had some acquisition news to share in 2014 and 2016.

Years have gone by, Warframe has grown and grown, and as 2020 wraps up we have another round of Acquisition news to share.

Digital Extremes (that’s us) is now owned by Tencent. We’re joining the ranks of some of our favourite developers, too! We will maintain our independence and vision for Warframe throughout it all.

Full news can be read here: https://www.digitalextremes.com/news/digital-extremes-partners-with-tencent

For better or worse, you’re still stuck with our decisions :P! 

I really think congratulations are in order here.

CONGRATS!

The news of the deal being "finalized,"  has seemed like waiting for the other shoe to drop while waiting to inhale (air), for nearly five months now.

Happy New Year!

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On 2020-12-23 at 8:58 AM, KCToxic said:

Digital Extremes has been owned in part or in entirety by a Chinese company since 2014.

*used to be Hong Kong corporation, and up until earlier this year HK had their own, much more liberal government style

Pretty big difference 

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On 2020-12-28 at 6:00 PM, CorvusTheHeretic said:

It's not the data most people are worried about.

Chinese laws requre that to operate in China, a chinese company must have a significant share in the operating company's stock, which will allow them to excert certain degree of control over it.  With these laws Chinese government uses Tencent and few other companies like it as a proxy to own a share of any company that operates on their territory, as a bonus to the usual taxation, and they use that share to excert as much control over the media that is available in their country as possible. They are a totalitarian regime that commits literal genocide as you read this message. Partaking in the deals with Tencent means literally giving money to the totalitarists. From any money you spend on Warframe now, part goes to Chinese government, even if transaction happened outside of China's jurisdiction.

This is same reason people oppose Epic Game Store, as Epic now is a 40% chinese company, since 40% of them was acquired by Tencent.

If that's the case. be prepared to divest in a lot of things including your favorite sports teams, games and other activities because a lot of things these days are invested by authoritarian regimes through shell companies and national investment arms.  

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Saw this coming. Huge shame. Would love to keep monetarily supporting DE, but not if even 1 cent of that cash goes towards Tencent.

The worry at first was creative freedom, but after the past year+ the real worry now is monetarily supporting companies that support or are part-owned by the CCP. I don't know about you, but I don't want to back anything with ties to the suppression of freedom of speech, violation of multiple human rights laws, and operates literal modern day concentration camps.

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On 2020-12-28 at 6:51 PM, vanaukas said:

Dude; I also pay for stuff made in the USA or Israel, if doesn't ring-a-bell on your head I can talk about a lot of proxy wars for oil and the literal genocide of Palestine right now :). I mean, if your worry is "china is a totalitarian goverment", at least they aren't literally bombing innocent people.

no, they just literally enslave them, harvest their organs, force them into ww2 style concentration camps etc, but hey nobody cares when it doesnt affect them directly.

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On 2020-12-30 at 4:49 AM, Numerikuu said:

Saw this coming. Huge shame. Would love to keep monetarily supporting DE, but not if even 1 cent of that cash goes towards Tencent.

The worry at first was creative freedom, but after the past year+ the real worry now is monetarily supporting companies that support or are part-owned by the CCP. I don't know about you, but I don't want to back anything with ties to the suppression of freedom of speech, violation of multiple human rights laws, and operates literal modern day concentration camps.

100% agree.

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9 hours ago, Methanoid said:

no, they just literally enslave them, harvest their organs, force them into ww2 style concentration camps etc, but hey nobody cares when it doesnt affect them directly.

Russia (invaded another country and annexed it, deployed chemical weapons on foreign soil against internal dissidents), insert Emirates/kingdoms/Countries in the ME here (most of the 9/11 conspirators were from 'allied' nations as were a number within ISIS), any number of African/South American countries (Zimbabwe, South Africa, Venezuela, Mexico), hell even Australia - those off shore detention centers for migrants aren't just for show and have a look at its activities in S.E Asia. Some it is down right colonial. My point - China isn't the only bad actor out there but we seem to have amnesia when those bad actors happen to be our 'friends'. 

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11 hours ago, Methanoid said:

no, they just literally enslave them, harvest their organs, force them into ww2 style concentration camps etc, but hey nobody cares when it doesnt affect them directly.

 

1 hour ago, Kidkilla said:

Russia (invaded another country and annexed it, deployed chemical weapons on foreign soil against internal dissidents), insert Emirates/kingdoms/Countries in the ME here (most of the 9/11 conspirators were from 'allied' nations as were a number within ISIS), any number of African/South American countries (Zimbabwe, South Africa, Venezuela, Mexico), hell even Australia - those off shore detention centers for migrants aren't just for show and have a look at its activities in S.E Asia. Some it is down right colonial. My point - China isn't the only bad actor out there but we seem to have amnesia when those bad actors happen to be our 'friends'. 

The US also has a really big historical record on experimenting on innocent human beings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study (just to give one example).

It baffles me how "americans" (implying america is a country lmfao) deliberately ignores that stuff and points out to China for doing literally the same S#&$. Living in a country where the US has operated doign coups and destroying the whole ecosystem just makes me wanna puke. But heyyy, china baaad. US, China, Russia and every single country that has that stupid desire for power over other countries are the whole problem, but it's always mroe easy looking for the scapegoat.

"But muh data"!!! Same #*!%ing data CIA tried to collect even from notepad ++ https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/v7.3.3/

IDGAF about hypocrites that disguises their true intentions behind the "human right advocate" masquerade.

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1 hour ago, vanaukas said:

 

The US also has a really big historical record on experimenting on innocent human beings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study (just to give one example).

It baffles me how "americans" (implying america is a country lmfao) deliberately ignores that stuff and points out to China for doing literally the same S#&$. Living in a country where the US has operated doign coups and destroying the whole ecosystem just makes me wanna puke. But heyyy, china baaad. US, China, Russia and every single country that has that stupid desire for power over other countries are the whole problem, but it's always mroe easy looking for the scapegoat.

"But muh data"!!! Same #*!%ing data CIA tried to collect even from notepad ++ https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/v7.3.3/

IDGAF about hypocrites that disguises their true intentions behind the "human right advocate" masquerade.

Sounds like if Hitler brought the game.  You would beem telling the player base that the Nazi's ant so bad. ..

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44 minutes ago, (PSN)SolarPhantom82 said:

Sounds like if Hitler brought the game.  You would beem telling the player base that the Nazi's ant so bad. ..

Sounds more like he's pointing out the hypocrisy of beating up one country when ethically, they're all suspect. 

I'm certainly not blind to the fact my country does some shady stuff to keep ahead of the wolves, but I'm ok with that. 

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1 hour ago, (PSN)SolarPhantom82 said:

Sounds like if Hitler brought the game.  You would beem telling the player base that the Nazi's ant so bad. ..

Nah, I would be tellign that they arethe same scum as the US or any other "super power". I don't like being an hypocrite that talks about "human rights" just to point out a single country for the mistakes that every "super power" does.

I don't fall for hypocrite meme material, supporting a game or not won't change the power play of those countries, doing partialized boycotts won't change things. Direct action is what change things, but it's more easy and safe being vocal on the internet and playing the victim's card on "censorship" than doing stuff IRL.

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