Berzerkules Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Battle.Mage said: well... leave and dont play in public? i have nothing against leechers. but public is anarchy. lfg is solution. We recruited a leacher from recruit chat yesterday. Recruit chat is not a cure all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aazhyd Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Are you sure they were all AFK? When you're in your Necramech, your warframe is standing still and vice versa. So sometimes it seems they're AFK. I've seen players who don't contribute much, but real AFK-ers? I can't remember seeing that and I'm doing pubs only. Usually there is 1 good player, 2 decent and 1 who isn't good at all. The last one doesn't matter most of the time, the three others can finish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)sweatshawp Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 13 hours ago, Psianide73 said: He was probably just venting. This isn’t among us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nok-Rntha Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Complain on the forums, swear vengeance on the developers for not adding any party management tools to the host (apart from causing a host migration out of spite) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogsConkers Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I once made the mistake of challenging a leecher by sarcastically inviting them to 'feel free to join us' but was completely bested with the far superior retort of 'feel free to F*** O**'! In hindsight I think I may have been wrong in my presumption of leeching and that it was just some poor guy wrestling with technical issues or was bugged and then to make matters worse some uppity twerp starts harassing them in the chat, which would much better explain such an alarmingly rude outburst. Nowadays I just leave but it needs to be absolutely blatantly obvious that they are leeching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soy77 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Nothing. Leechers, bad players, and players with bad connections exist in any --if not most games. Some try to "punish" them by gathering a mob, some try to report, some try to seek solutions in the forums, yell and argue with them in game, blaming game developers for human problems... but let's face it, they leech because something is wrong in their heads. Doing those stuff most probably won't change them, and it waste 5 minutes of your precious time. 5 minutes that you could've use playing the game and getting rewards instead. I've seen low rank players with rentamechs, who still try their best. i have absolutely no problem carrying these players. But leechers will be leechers. Simply leave and post another quest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psianide73 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 9 hours ago, ZeroX4 said: So we could just teach other players to leave squad so AFKers stay alone and achieve nothing But YOU and OP believe we need other means of teaching them a lesson? Who you are to judge who needs to be punished? Can i demand right to punish you for calling other players lazy? What is so hard in leaving the squad and forming pre-made squad? And no i will never say going into mission bad going AFK on purpose is good thing actually its pretty stupid But how about teaching players good manners instead of punishing them? Lets teach players to leave when someone care to abuse AFK Look let me give you an example on what is wrong in this picture We have trade and recruit chats If someone on recruit chat send message like "WTT my pants for ur socks" kickbot will remove his message and send message that someone on trade chat could help Why not instead of that kickbot cut his message and paste it on trade chat simultaneously switching said person chat tab to trade chat adding message to that person that he was switched to correct chat Do you see difference? Are you a leecher? If not, why does it matter to you so much if a penalty was introduced for repeated violations? Who are you to judge whether or not other people are negatively impacted by the actions of those too lazy to contribute? And whether those lazy people should be penalised in some way. I'm 99.9% sure no penalty will be added anyway, so you can stop worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroX4 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, Psianide73 said: Are you a leecher? If not, why does it matter to you so much if a penalty was introduced for repeated violations? Who are you to judge whether or not other people are negatively impacted by the actions of those too lazy to contribute? And whether those lazy people should be penalised in some way. I'm 99.9% sure no penalty will be added anyway, so you can stop worrying. Actually im the guy that goes into open worlds (if i need/want to do bounties) and tell others to dont help me and go mine or fish instead since i can solo it and their contribution does not mater nor it would change anything for me I carry all Steel Path Alerts i do i carry all sorties im in i never need help from any1 to do a mission not because i believe im uber pro which im not i just took my time to prepare myself for any scenario in the game to handle it alone without need of help from any1 And as it fallows what sense would it make to me if i spent so much time arming myself up the A** and letting it go to waste by allowing others to do the work i was preparing for Its like making ur dream car for so long and then driving bus or taxi wouldnt that be stupid? As for orphix i take ppl only so they can kill few resonators so i dont need to deal with them other than that i dont care what they do i destroy orphix in few secs so their contribution wont matter to me anyway And looking how i can not give a F*** about others because im prepared i have only 1 theory about ppl who care to punish AFKrs Since at the core of it we have 2 options A) Problem is with AFKrs just because you are doing all the work and someone is just leeching and you get mad since you need to work and they dont care and you both get same reward at the end B) Problem is with players who contribute next to nothing (MR 4 with bo mk1) and means to punish AFKers could be abused against them just because SOMEONE feels that they are better than newcomers SO what is it? A or B in both cases its not about fair play its only about pleasuring someones EGO or am i wrong? Could i have means to kick or even ban players for reasons i see fit? If you even consider allowing some players to punish others than why not letting me be the judge? I would love to abuse the system There is a reason why we cant name and shame players why we cant post screenshot or video with someones nickname in it We are not here to judge any1 we only should be and are allowed to report if we think we experience bad behavior but not punish it by ourselfs Vote kick option for AFKers? I would just love to abuse it to kick ppl from squads im in just because i feel so Imagine how many ppl would do the same? And im all in on idea that penalty for repeated violations should be in place Im just against us deciding who to punish If someone want better system we should not try to get tools to punish players for their actions we should request better means to report them Or am i wrong? On bottom of 1st page of this thread u have 2 best answers to all ur questions by (PSN)mahoshonenfox and Battle.Mage My god i got bad habit of making wall of text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Easy solution is to leave the mission and find a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karesz6 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Can anyone tell me what happens if someone got reported as an AFK player? I am really curious about the steps how it goes, my current assumption is something like this, based on some previous forum talks, but I am not sure if I am right or wrong. 1. DE get multiple alerts of "AFK report", and if the same player got reported like ~10+ times, they check activity and logs and send him a warning mail if the reports are justified. (?) 2. If the same player get reported for another ~10+ times, and a warning already sent before, they temporary ban for 1-2 month. (?) 3. If the temp.ban is over, and same player get reported for another ~10+ times (~30+ at this point), they prema ban the user. (?) Usually the reward is far-far inferior than the risk of ban, but sometimes people can have unexpected situation when they do not want to abort the mission asap. Like doorbell ring, and have to go to open-check-act, that can be short or long sometimes. Also false alarms can happen, sometimes at syndicate exterminate mission users want to find medalions which can take time, while other wants to rush through and extract asap. TLDR: I think AFK leeching isnt worth the risk of ban, but if my assumption above is correct, than players can leech without any risk before they get the first warning mail from DE, and they can just stop to do it after that. --> If the risk of ban is real, and they delete the point 1 and start the process with point 2, users probably would think twice and would not risk the ban for minor rewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C11H22O11 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Karesz6 said: TLDR: I think AFK leeching isnt worth the risk of ban, but if my assumption above is correct, than players can leech without any risk before they get the first warning mail from DE, and they can just stop to do it after that. --> If the risk of ban is real, and they delete the point 1 and start the process with point 2, users probably would think twice and would not risk the ban for minor rewards. Yeah I have no idea what happens to the person, a warning? Trade ban? Ban? Jack schnitzel? Support just thanks you for reporting them and... That's that you never hear what they did to the person. They should really tell what happens to the person you reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--DSP--Jetstream Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 6 hours ago, (XBOX)C11H22O11 said: Yeah I have no idea what happens to the person, a warning? Trade ban? Ban? Jack schnitzel? Support just thanks you for reporting them and... That's that you never hear what they did to the person. They should really tell what happens to the person you reported its a trip to 2035 im not kidding, their eula has "no tolerance policy" and if enforced that means any rule breaking is a 2035. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venus-Venera Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 vor 12 Stunden schrieb Berzerkules: We recruited a leacher from recruit chat yesterday. Recruit chat is not a cure all. I didn't say either. 😕 or do you want to say that something like this happens regularly in the course of the day? so far i had much much much better groups from lfg than in public. I also meet epic people in public, but that's a rarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrl Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Sometimes just casually mentioning that you'll report a player after the mission is over is enough to get them moving, so that's always worth trying before you do something else. If they don't budge, just leave. Even better if they were truly AFK and come back to a now-solo mission gone to hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendaryNeurotoxin Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 2021-01-03 at 5:50 AM, Berzerkules said: I've seen a few people afk the second half of a run. They realize that at that point everyone else has already invested almost 30 minutes into a run, since rewards scale the farther you progress the chances of people just leaving drops off. It's the worst. But yeah, all you can do is call them out on it to draw attention to the rest of the squad and report. Ah man I'd prefer the opposite, if I'm on top of my spawn locations I can solo the first 15 or so for a 4 player crew no problem. Damage taken and survivability of a poor Voidrig is why I need the rest as it get later, just be a meatshield for me..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroX4 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, (XBOX)TyeGoo said: No, but I'm seeing that Covid- 19 actually has negative effects on the brain and really does work covertly. then better contact doctor if you require some help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArcSet Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 2021-01-03 at 3:44 PM, ZeroX4 said: even so what was preventing him from leaving? i assume he did go with randoms since that most likely dont happen in pre made squads so what is the problem here? i leave if go to hydron to level up gun and frost is in my squad which sets snow globe on cryopod which prevents me from killing enemies inside that globe while im outside of it or even if glob is between me and enemy with said gun i dont even bother to ask if he care to stop setting him up so i can just leave squad if i find even 1 squad member doing something i dont like but he cant? and even if he was encountering them in different runs then 1 person being afk is not a big deal if he didnt come unprepared that should not matter so that would mean its only about a way to punish someone just for sake of punishing someone and if he was not prepared for the mission then why not just simply leave if squad dont fit his needs? whats the goal here? whats the problem here? i would just leave like any1 else could and if they would not be afk but do like idk 5 damage per hit? where does that fit? would he need means to punish players who almost dont contribute like afkers? or would he be fine with unprepared player in his squad cause that would mean its not problem with squad member dragging him down but with no means to punish someone for X thing again what is the point here in all of this? idea is to have means to punish player just so he can or to have efficient squads? since for me the former is stupid and latter is easily achieved with just leaving squads that dont fit his needs so he can find other proper one and as last resort using recruit chat All I'll say is, why was your 1st thought that he didn't leave? You based all this on a narrative you wrote in you mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krankbert Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 vor 9 Stunden schrieb ZeroX4: And looking how i can not give a F*** about others because im prepared i have only 1 theory about ppl who care to punish AFKrs If you think that disliking freeloaders is a niche opinion, you really need to get out more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroX4 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, TheArcSet said: All I'll say is, why was your 1st thought that he didn't leave? I always try to look at any conflict in a very simple way For that i try to find very simple situation which is similar in real life and even you may think i making fun here im pretty much very serious even so it will sound funny I and OP are in grocery store standing in the line waiting for our turn to buy a bread and lets say some kind just farted like really bad OP is looking for manager to request banning kid from that store for bad behavior while still inhaling that very bad fart I am just leaving that store and going to different one where air is fresh I would ask which 1 of us in that situation made smarter move but im afraid you would pick OP still inhaling fart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yggranya Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Why do some people start claiming that there is no problem or that it's a you problem in all game forums when someone mentions AFK leechers or botters? Simple: Because they feel called out by it as they do it themselves, and they don't want the developers to do anything about it since that would bite them in the ass. Then they act all offended, like you insulted them and their family and all their values in an effort to get moderators to close the thread, since they fear the developers might be moved to do something about it if there is enough support for it. Let me tell you the truth: There is no need for that since they are indifferent. Nothing will be done until the game is on its last leg and they try to revitalize it by finally listening to player feedback (too little too late). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--DSP--Jetstream Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just make sure youre the host, you have full control of the clients. In this game host is king since de let you have full control of internet connections even some people can get high score on orphix by abusing the host fps thing and de just let it happen apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroX4 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Krankbert said: If you think that disliking freeloaders is a niche opinion, you really need to get out more. Sorry i believe u get me wrong I dont believe we should tolerate freeloaders as u call them I just say i dont care what ppl do on a mission while in a squad with me but if i dont like someone for whatever reason even stupid nickname i dont need to have means to punish that player i can either carry on or just leave eventually report that player But let me bring question again is it about "freeloaders" ppl who care to leech on us or is it about contribution mr5 with Bo MK-1 doing 5 dmg per hit dying each 2 seconds contributing nothing Since with both type of players we get no help from them and that brings question is it about what player puts on the table or is it about if they are even trying to put something on it while putting nothing? In both cases we can just leave the squad and dont have a problem find different squad and enjoy ur game In the end i see huge difference between disliking someone for X thing and just leaving him alone or not carrying Perfect example You can either ignore arrogance of this request (considering warframe business model) or engage with the player 24 minutes ago, (PSN)Yggranya said: Why do some people start claiming that there is no problem or that it's a you problem in all game forums when someone mentions AFK leechers or botters? Simple: Because they feel called out by it as they do it themselves, and they don't want the developers to do anything about it since that would bite them in the ass. Then they act all offended, like you insulted them and their family and all their values in an effort to get moderators to close the thread, since they fear the developers might be moved to do something about it if there is enough support for it. Let me tell you the truth: There is no need for that since they are indifferent. Nothing will be done until the game is on its last leg and they try to revitalize it by finally listening to player feedback (too little too late). I believe its as bizzare to me that someone request any new methods of dealing with AFKers other than the ones we have (reporting) as it is to you saying AFKers are not a problem I say it would be problem if someone would go into eidolon hunt and after spawning Harry just went afk all the time and that would be stupid moment to just leave But in any other mission in the game you can just leave without any loss to ur progress and report said player if you feel like it But on other hand i wonder what u mean by "people claiming there is no problem with AFKers"? Because i never seen any1 mentioning that i only see 2 groups of ppl 1 - PPL like u demanding some solution to the situation 2 - PPL like me not needing any other means since we can just leave As for you i would say better detection of AFKing and lets say stopping ur progress (not giving any rewards) as soon as u are in AFK state would be good idea Vote kick solution would be abused so much i believe it would live not longer than few weeks at best And you may say lets then report ppl who abuse it Now did u ever heard how long is taking to resolve a ticket sent to support? Now imagine how would they would get flooded with reports and imagine something bad happen with your account lets say u cant login game is loading in infinite loop now u send a ticket and wait idk like 1 month for response does that sound cool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krankbert Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 vor 9 Minuten schrieb ZeroX4: Sorry i believe u get me wrong I don't think I do. This isn't a Warframe or even video game-specific topic, so I don't really feel the need to explore it. vor 9 Minuten schrieb ZeroX4: I dont believe we should tolerate freeloaders as u call them You openly admit that the only method of dealing with leechers doesn't work and you oppose adding anything else. I'm glad that you explicitly said that you don't believe we should tolerate leechers, because everything else you wrote says the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroX4 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, Krankbert said: I don't think I do. This isn't a Warframe or even video game-specific topic, so I don't really feel the need to explore it. You openly admit that the only method of dealing with leechers doesn't work and you oppose adding anything else. I'm glad that you explicitly said that you don't believe we should tolerate leechers, because everything else you wrote says the opposite. Dont change my words I said we ALL should just leave if we find that behavior wrong and no1 would be harmed or report said player If someone dont care if a player is leeching let him carry the mission if someone feels like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract7777 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, ZeroX4 said: If someone dont care if a player is leeching let him carry the mission if someone feels like it I would love to meet this mythical person, for curiosities sake if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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