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So, uh, since you just recently ran a script on PC to ensure some people with issues can buy their second Umbra Forma from Teshin I was wondering if the fact that noone on consoles can buy a second Umbra Forma is going to be adressed at some point. Consoles missed the first Teshin Umbra Forma due to receiving the update later but having the same shop rotation as PC. Which makes the current one the first for consoles and second for PC.

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5 hours ago, (PSN)Deeceem said:

So, uh, since you just recently ran a script on PC to ensure some people with issues can buy their second Umbra Forma from Teshin I was wondering if the fact that noone on consoles can buy a second Umbra Forma is going to be adressed at some point. Consoles missed the first Teshin Umbra Forma due to receiving the update later but having the same shop rotation as PC. Which makes the current one the first for consoles and second for PC.

Console tenno got an alert that gave it. 

 

5 hours ago, (PSN)SiPerino said:

"In Cert" used to provide players a confirmation that the latest build had been independently sent to Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo and each platform would then either make it go live or kick it back to DE. This "In Dev" jargon seems like it's DE's new plan for telling players that the latest build isn't ready on all console platforms and won't be submitted for "In Cert" status until it's simultaneously ready for all platforms. If this is true, Sony and Microsoft players of Warframe ought to anticipate that all future content will be significantly delayed due to DE's commitment to Warframe on the Nintendo Switch.

But Dani has confirmed this isn't the case. They will do staggered release if the builds don't line up. Why would they wait to send to cert until all builds are ready if they want to do simultaneous release? That would be the worst move because different consoles take different times for cert. IF they wanted simultaneous release and made people wait, they'd release to each individual cert as soon as each build is ready. Then they would hold the update until the latest console passes cert. Then they'd release together. Waiting to pass to cert would prevent simultaneous release. 

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There's only one ting that doesn't make sense to me. They never gave us a date because was not possible to say when the updade would pass the cert, if they are going to give a date it means that they will hold the update even after it passes the cert of all consoles, right?

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vor 4 Stunden schrieb (PSN)Rainbow_Neos1:

Console tenno got an alert that gave it. 

Nope. That alert was universal for all platforms.

We are indeed 1 guaranteed forma behind. With no way of getting it because DE holds dear to the 'you can only get it if we say so' rule. 

Which would be fine, but only if fairness would've been a part of this. I'm still checking daily if they patch it in but so far absolutely nothing. That's not really how an item that literally can't be acquired unless 'x rule' applied and timegates are waited out..

Unfair!

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3 hours ago, (XBOX)TyeGoo said:

Nope. That alert was universal for all platforms.

We are indeed 1 guaranteed forma behind. With no way of getting it because DE holds dear to the 'you can only get it if we say so' rule. 

Which would be fine, but only if fairness would've been a part of this. I'm still checking daily if they patch it in but so far absolutely nothing. That's not really how an item that literally can't be acquired unless 'x rule' applied and timegates are waited out..

Unfair!

Oh? Was that universal. That's a shame. 

Well.... if the Umbra Forma is one PC just got then DE has time to give us one. They'll probably give it to us as an alert in the near future. I wouldn't worry to much. They have had this before where PC got something and we got it in alerts so it stayed fair. 

 

4 hours ago, (PSN)Guil_Souls said:

There's only one ting that doesn't make sense to me. They never gave us a date because was not possible to say when the updade would pass the cert, if they are going to give a date it means that they will hold the update even after it passes the cert of all consoles, right?

No. They're not holding all the consoles for a simultaneous release. If we get a simultaneous release, it'd be because everything happened to line up. What this DOES mean (as it has always meaned) is that there will be a gap between cert and live because they do set a date for it to go live after it's approved for release. 

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4 hours ago, (PSN)Rainbow_Neos1 said:

No. They're not holding all the consoles for a simultaneous release. If we get a simultaneous release, it'd be because everything happened to line up. What this DOES mean (as it has always meaned) is that there will be a gap between cert and live because they do set a date for it to go live after it's approved for release. 

dont forget that even after the approval they may make small changes before release if they find something that needs to be corrected prior to launch im not clear on the rules of how much could be changed but even after a certification they have a little wiggle room to change things

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Not really a fan of the whole process going forward...if you are gonna put all the consoles effectively on the same patch or update, then go all the way and do cross save at lease among consoles...I swear if dauntless can make it look easy, you guys should be able to pull it off...I get that the switch is still not caught up in tennogen, so I would seriously make an effort to get switch to where it needs to be cosmetically, cause I see no other reason for lack of cross save at least

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im really surprised this didnt drop already 

 

2 hours ago, (PSN)ThanatosSloth said:

Not really a fan of the whole process going forward...if you are gonna put all the consoles effectively on the same patch or update, then go all the way and do cross save at lease among consoles...I swear if dauntless can make it look easy, you guys should be able to pull it off...I get that the switch is still not caught up in tennogen, so I would seriously make an effort to get switch to where it needs to be cosmetically, cause I see no other reason for lack of cross save at least

i mean outriders is going to be cross play to start and now destiny is going cross play , i could understand doing the different builds prior to cert but i dont see how thats a thing anymore when other companies dont have to do nearly as much to update and patch consoles . youd think de would be able to do the cross save fairly quickly in comparison 

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vor 8 Minuten schrieb (XBOX)EternalDrk Mako:

im really surprised this didnt drop already 

Please calm down.. me myself am really really impatient and nagging in this thread, but it's literally been only 10 days, a week of work days only..

I suspect it to launch next week IF they're done fixing exploits from the event, because to me, it looks like that's the main reason for the hold up. Since people still won't stop abusing glitches to get the most points..

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17 minutes ago, (XBOX)EternalDrk Mako said:

i mean outriders is going to be cross play to start and now destiny is going cross play , i could understand doing the different builds prior to cert but i dont see how thats a thing anymore when other companies dont have to do nearly as much to update and patch consoles . youd think de would be able to do the cross save fairly quickly in comparison 

This is whats getting me....I see so many other companies that can accomplish it and im like...warframe when?

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• Fixed Xaku’s Grasp of Lohk ability becoming non-functional if cast too rapidly.
 

This comment has been annoying the hell out of me ever since I read it last week. Please define "too rapidly." 1 second? 15 seconds?

Thing is the non-functional Grasp of Lohk my Xaku has doesn't correlate with timing so much as it does with vast untiming. If I try a grasp after first activating the 4th ability, I wind up with guns floating on my right, and over my head, behind my back, sometimes even under my feet. If I had weapons working correctly on my left, but they unfortunately deactivated at the moment I cast my 4th...  same deal. Tenno forbid I'm surrounded by enemies while having my 4 active and my 2 not -- 38.75 seconds is a really really long wait to start the process over! When it glitches 35 seconds into a 5 minute or longer mission and I have no way to disarm these view-obstructing obstacles? Sad sunshine.

So. If you fix it based on some sort of players-are-fingering-faster-than-they-should notion, it might not actually get fixed. Just saying you might want to look into it more. Impeded digits crossed.

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3 hours ago, (XBOX)TyeGoo said:

Please calm down.. me myself am really really impatient and nagging in this thread, but it's literally been only 10 days, a week of work days only..

I suspect it to launch next week IF they're done fixing exploits from the event, because to me, it looks like that's the main reason for the hold up. Since people still won't stop abusing glitches to get the most points..

 I wasnt raging or screaming or throwing a tantrum, just stating an honest opinion that i was surprised that an update wasnt in/out to deploy, given its small one. sorry you seem miffed by people complaining , but i dont see how that is in alignment to my post, so the context of "calm down" seems inappropriate? 

Last year was doing a good turn around and fairly quick as of late even with events like scarlet spear (and its exploits) its not like when i initially started, as an example waited 3 months for germesi skin update , now its usually 2 weeks at most

this update also has been worked on after the build via pc release on DEC 18th 2020 , the console team is a separate division, so once a pc build is done they hand off a stable build to the consoles team. Now given the team (de)  took time off, further delayed this , it has been a while to even get to deployment stage , let alone release. so it was surprising with their normal quick turn around on deployment

the exploiting fixing part is fair, but then de sometimes dosnt load those fixes until a hotfix after initial deployment . and its not like their wont be exploits and cheesing, happens in every event, and overall this one isnt really something i look forward to. 

 

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vor 1 Minute schrieb (XBOX)EternalDrk Mako:

 I wasnt raging or screaming or throwing a tantrum, just stating an honest opinion that i was surprised that an update wasnt in/out to deploy, given its small one. sorry you seem miffed by people complaining , but i dont see how that is in alignment to my post, so the context of "calm down" seems inappropriate? 

Last year was doing a good turn around and fairly quick as of late even with events like scarlet spear (and its exploits) its not like when i initially started, as an example waited 3 months for germesi skin update , now its usually 2 weeks at most

this update also has been worked on after the build via pc release on DEC 18th 2020 , the console team is a separate division, so once a pc build is done they hand off a stable build to the consoles team. Now given the team (de)  took time off, further delayed this , it has been a while to even get to deployment stage , let alone release. so it was surprising with their normal quick turn around on deployment

the exploiting fixing part is fair, but then de sometimes dosnt load those fixes until a hotfix after initial deployment . and its not like their wont be exploits and cheesing, happens in every event, and overall this one isnt really something i look forward to. 

 

I just want Lavos :( 

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3 hours ago, (PSN)ThanatosSloth said:

This is whats getting me....I see so many other companies that can accomplish it and im like...warframe when?

well de staff is small in comparison to say bungies 3k+ staff and such. iirc its around 200+ people right now , and half is the support team

but then again given they are now under tencent control they do have other studios and resources open to them like the epic and riot , ect . and de has used other studios prior to buff the speed of releases and creation on projects prior. its not like they cant simply buy a cross play platform system and simply implent them via cloud services 

pc,xbox,playstation can easily be done using cloudshare setup with a central server system to log in through and deploy out

meaning buying something on either one would be applicable to any platform, and eliminate the needs for them to do certs for the consoles as its a unified server hosted push out not a push out to a store, the clients would possibly get a minor hotfix to accommodate the new server updates but that pushes a lot of problems and staff from being pc/console to just all around user staff pool increasing productivity  

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2 hours ago, (XBOX)EternalDrk Mako said:

i just want tennogen xD

That is one of the few things I don't quite get either.  As long as it took for round 19. They should have just done the whole thing on console as part 2 was in the hands of PC when we got part 1

5 hours ago, (PSN)ThanatosSloth said:

This is whats getting me....I see so many other companies that can accomplish it and im like...warframe when?

I think this may be more of an issue with how the game is designed at it's core.  Age wise Warframe is more similar to destiny 1 than 2.  So the level of overhaul and server/hosting changes would basically be like a new game. Cross save may be possible but I think the devs don't want to admit they can't accomplish cross play.

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Wait... Still not on console yet? Didn't y'all have a stream on Thursday named after the event? I can't say this looks good. I'd get this out now. Separate the consoles for their own updates. If switch is lagging the time it takes to get something on the other platforms? They need to be specific and split the consoles, instead of grouping them up.

Do better.  

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On 2021-01-15 at 4:40 PM, (PSN)ThanatosSloth said:

.if you are gonna put all the consoles effectively on the same patch or update,

They're not. They just are choosing to do one thread for all consoles instead of multiple. It's Ore concise. 

16 hours ago, (XBOX)Shatterpiller said:

Wait... Still not on console yet? Didn't y'all have a stream on Thursday named after the event? I can't say this looks good. I'd get this out now. Separate the consoles for their own updates. If switch is lagging the time it takes to get something on the other platforms? They need to be specific and split the consoles, instead of grouping them up.

Do better.  

They're not doing a simultaneous release unless things happen to line up as been said multiple times in this thread. They're only taking so long in our eyes because they had their vacation. 

It hasn't even been a month since PC got this. Chill out. 

20 hours ago, (XBOX)EternalDrk Mako said:

the console team is a separate division,

Are you sure on that? Where have we been told this? 

19 hours ago, (XBOX)EternalDrk Mako said:

they do have other studios and resources open to them like the epic and riot , ect .

That's not how DE does things even if they can. It's a them project. 

19 hours ago, (XBOX)EternalDrk Mako said:

its not like they cant simply buy a cross play platform system and simply implent them via cloud services 

Knowing DE's coding, engine, etc, I'm sure it wouldn't work as of now. They still need to fix their base coding. 

19 hours ago, (XBOX)EternalDrk Mako said:

pc,xbox,playstation can easily be done using cloudshare setup with a central server system to log in through and deploy out

And that would take a long time to setup. Not to mention it would delay updates much more. 

19 hours ago, (XBOX)EternalDrk Mako said:

meaning buying something on either one would be applicable to any platform, and eliminate the needs for them to do certs for the consoles

No... they'd still have to send updates out as usual to each individual console. I dunno where you get the ideology that they wouldn't. 

17 hours ago, (XBOX)Big Roy 324 said:

think this may be more of an issue with how the game is designed at it's core.  Age wise Warframe is more similar to destiny 1 than 2.  So the level of overhaul and server/hosting changes would basically be like a new game. Cross save may be possible but I think the devs don't want to admit they can't accomplish cross play.

Hit the nail on the head. The game at its core (the foundation of the engine, the coding, the way everything works) is outdated and needs a massive overhaul. It may need it to the point where they'd have to rebuild the game from the ground up. As of now, I don't believe cross play is viable. May be possible, but it isn't viable. 

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Yeah...I know the dev team is around 300+...Google is great for that knowledge...but also a game like no mans sky can take their game, that had at launch not even a freaking character model back in 2016, to having freighters, multiplayer, customizable characters, and expanding the entire universe twice i think...and they only have 26 employees....I do not want to hear about how they are 2 separate games, cause I get that, but one game has so much more depth to it while the other has layer and layers of forgotten code that needs to be reworked....and they have 274+ more employees to do it with...without microtransactions to boot

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15 hours ago, (PSN)Rainbow_Neos1 said:
  1. Are you sure on that? Where have we been told this? 
  2. That's not how DE does things even if they can. It's a them project. 
  3. Knowing DE's coding, engine, etc, I'm sure it wouldn't work as of now. They still need to fix their base coding. 
  4. And that would take a long time to setup. Not to mention it would delay updates much more. 
  5. No... they'd still have to send updates out as usual to each individual console. I dunno where you get the ideology that they wouldn't. 

 

  1. devs have stated such prior in plenty of streams, they have a dedicated team for the consoles for the development of those builds. the certification process however is  the choke point, but even then, de tends to wait a bit after cert to ship on a targeted date they prep behind. other then special cases, like the war within was cert and released on same day (iirc).
  2. only recent time i can recall was the sacrifice quest, they needed the extra help to get it in and out due to time crunch. now its not to say doing so isn't costly, but with the new tencent owners (overlords)  they should have a pretty nice backing and availability to do so if needed. heck de themselves were the studio that used to do that for other games originally, so not out of question to make use of that resource given past experience doing so
  3. your not wrong .. (their spaghetti setup aside...) they did say this year they were going to try and clean that up (hopefully). but there are easy server implementation to sync /link such as how destiny did theirs. use one account as the base,  but sync multiple accounts to match it ,so no difference between them. given all the platforms input main account and then link other accounts to that account to allow the system to mirror off main.
  4.  de shouldnt need to delay if its a singular system , least xbox to pc side its a clean shot now , playstation and Nintendo are the real choke points, and sony has been playing well with others so there is that. as to delay if de actually made it cross save to the same level as destiny (as an example) they can deploy in mass to all platforms and as its done server side for the majority, the clients need only minor updates
  5.  its how it gets delivered to the client system, in this case de has proven they can sync and deploy on all platforms at the same time quite a few times now. As i already explained, if its one account mirrored then what you do gets added to the account regardless of what platform its signed in on, same thing is already done on pc (example) normal client, vs steam client vs epic client exclusive skins (tennogen or epic weapon skin), you can buy cosmetics on them and when you sign back in on generic client from warframe (not steam) you keep the cosmetics. thus proving they can infact sync and share exclusive cosmetics on one account across multiple client types that dont normally have them. this would just be taking that to the next level, its logical given we have real examples of it that you can try out. 

personally im on every warframe client platform , so for me the whole cross save would be a great thing 

 

11 hours ago, (PSN)ThanatosSloth said:

Yeah...I know the dev team is around 300+...Google is great for that knowledge...but also a game like no mans sky can take their game, that had at launch not even a freaking character model back in 2016, to having freighters, multiplayer, customizable characters, and expanding the entire universe twice i think...and they only have 26 employees....I do not want to hear about how they are 2 separate games, cause I get that, but one game has so much more depth to it while the other has layer and layers of forgotten code that needs to be reworked....and they have 274+ more employees to do it with...without microtransactions to boot

but wasnt no mans sky a flop on release and took a while before it actually came to that level? (and i recall hearing it was acquired by someone else?) 

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2 hours ago, (XBOX)EternalDrk Mako said:

but wasnt no mans sky a flop on release and took a while before it actually came to that level? (and i recall hearing it was acquired by someone else?) 

So far i can't find anything saying no mans sky or hello games were acquired by someone else....and yes, just like warframe original, it was fairly rough...however, no mans sky and hello games literally gave their players what they wanted over the course of 3 years and has been icing for the last year with no paid content at all and no microtransactions. Warframe is approaching 10 years and can't seem to listen to what their long term players want.

And not only that, but no mans sky is also cross play and can manage to drop hotfixes on any platform at any time...I think when hello games dropped a decent update, had some bugs that were patched within an hour and was patched once a day, every day for a week....that is the level of awesomeness I hope DE can get to.

Edit: just for clarification, I don't mean to judge so harsh, but the comparison is glaring for me and I just want warframe to be the best it can be, I just think that perhaps there's a mismanagement of resources.

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2 hours ago, (XBOX)EternalDrk Mako said:

its how it gets delivered to the client system, in this case de has proven they can sync and deploy on all platforms at the same time quite a few times now. As i already explained, if its one account mirrored then what you do gets added to the account regardless of what platform its signed in on, same thing is already done on pc (example) normal client, vs steam client vs epic client exclusive skins (tennogen or epic weapon skin), you can buy cosmetics on them and when you sign back in on generic client from warframe (not steam) you keep the cosmetics. thus proving they can infact sync and share exclusive cosmetics on one account across multiple client types that dont normally have them. this would just be taking that to the next level, its logical given we have real examples of it that you can try out. 

But they'd still have to send it updates through cert. They can't add content or touch on most code without cert review. 

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8 minutes ago, (PSN)Rainbow_Neos1 said:

But they'd still have to send it updates through cert. They can't add content or touch on most code without cert review. 

There is a type of cert that can be pushed same day...

You are right though...they cannot add content in this type of cert, but they can still change what is currently in the game after a big update...shown after one of No mans skys big updates, they were able to do a patch a day for a week to make sure most bugs went splat lol.

https://sonyreconsidered.com/ps4-devs-gaining-same-day-certification-cb9cc51f0c68

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