Necraloid standing - A solo player's story.

[ProjectPeachy]

Hello, sorry this is gonna get a little rough.
To start with,
A) Yes, I know it's my choice to run it solo, but I'm in love with the Rhino frame, and if I play Rhino is pubs, I effectively do nothing.
B) This is an opinion, from the point of view of a solo player. Singular. Uno, Eins, I do have company occasionally, but my friends are like MR15 and haven't even started steel path yet, so no diemos.

I am here to say, in honesty, that necroloid reputation is too difficult to do as a medium tier none-min-max frame solo, I understand the game is not balanced for solo, and I fully understand there is no obligation from DE to change this, I loved and still love the railjack, I didn't mind cetus and fortuna rep gind, but I think the whole "Orokin matrix" thing is just too horrible, and I know (but don't judge) that there's no way in hell anyone over at HQ tested this from the point of view of a player before it was put into the game. I know we're in a horrible pandemic and stuff so I was pretty patient but I really really want to try the mech out with mods. I'm sorry, but for the first time since I chose that Loki frame,
you done goofed, DE.

[Miser_able]

how? t3 vaults have 3 mechs that each drop a matrix worth 5000 standing. thats 15k per run. at MR 30 I only have 31k per day, so thats 2 runs to hit max.

[Katinka]

I also play mostly solo.  I started running 2-player Isolation Vaults eventually, but I'd already solo-farmed enough Matrices for Standing by that point.  The Mechs are a chore to deal with solo and it does pretty much require specific builds, but it is possible.  I prefer to play Mag or Valkyr as much as I can (I even solo Veil Proxima as Mag) but for Isolation Vaults I use Inaros (with added Silence).

[Hobie-wan]

1 hour ago, ProjectPeachy said:

but my friends are like MR15 and haven't even started steel path yet, so no diemos.

What does steel path have to do with running Deimos?

[VoidArkhangel]

hace 1 hora, ProjectPeachy dijo:

but I'm in love with the Rhino frame

You have problems playing with a Rhino? Excuse me, but are you even trying? I mean, I face Necramechs with Nekros with a tank build (full health, 160% power strength nothing more), and viral weapons or even a Excalibur with the same build and the most dificult thing I have faced in Deimos is finding Necrathene or a Scarlet Nexifera.

[dr_haxx]

To be entirely honest - I've mainly solo farmed a lot of my Necraloid + Deimos standing.

Its Easier than Cetus, and a little harder than Fortuna.

But for the fastest solo-mech farming, you're gonna need a Nova to do it most effectively.  Subsume in Oberon's Smite and use the augment, use a Catchmoon with a crit-focused build.  Gain DR from her 1, nuke with her 2 for the survive portion, then slow and pop mechs in 1-3 shots with Catchmoon+Smite Infusion+Molecular Prime.

[Drasiel]

While the necramech fight feels poorly designed (more to do with the size of weak points and their constant hairpin turns and shaking of their heads) it is the least onerous of the 3 operator factions to gain standing for. I say that playing them solo and being restricted to only using full auto weaponry due to muscle issues. 

What specifically is causing your difficulty? 

Their high Dr? 

Their high mobility?

Their planet boss level diminishing returns vs hard cc? 

That most slows don't slow turning speed? 

Their high damage? 

Frustrating hitting their miniscule weak points? 

Without specifics this feedback is useless, all you've said is this sucks solo without supplying why it sucks solo. Also what does steel path have to do with deimos? It's well below the difficulty and placement of steel path. 

[(XBOX)CaptainSeth5423]

maxed it solo lol. Luck maybe?

[(PSN)Muralivilla]

Hey I personally solo'd all 3 tiers for 3 days to get all Damaged nech weapon parts to craft new archweapon. Pub was a pain as they don't listen and waste a lot of time.

But its not like I started solo grinding from the beginning, I was in pub until I acquired all the needed parts to craft necramech, then it was easy to cheese all 3 tiers.

Game might not be the same if DE considers solo players. 

But for now I suggest you do pub until you get those parts and enjoy your game with Rhino :) If you understand how to play you can easily max the standing.

[xombob89]

What? Just today I was laughing how I will probably never need to farm necraloid standing because I have 200+ of the best tier matrix which means I need only 6 of them per day to max my daily standing. Not to mention the other two tiers I have a lot of. 

And I never farmed for them specifically, I just got them by playing normally trying to get scintilliant or w/e from the vaults, and they will continue piling up passively faster than I can spend them for as long as I still do vault runs. To me they seem to be the easiest standing to farm/get by far. 

There isnt even anything worthwhile in the rewards after youve gotten all the mech parts and their weapons/mods apart from the ayatan statue and there are other ways to get those. 

[Shepherd-Elma]

I'm having a bit of a time getting to Necraloid standing level 1. I have 20 of the rarer orokin matrix from doing T3's, but I can't rank up because the most basic orokin matrix has only dropped once for me when I first cleared the T1 Isolation Vault. T3 supposedly can give you 4 of the basic ones at a time, but I'm only getting those bigger ones, and haven't been able to start this path due to the 10 commons rank up price... Bless me, RNGsus ☹️

[Katinka]

11 hours ago, Shepherd-Elma said:

I'm having a bit of a time getting to Necraloid standing level 1. I have 20 of the rarer orokin matrix from doing T3's, but I can't rank up because the most basic orokin matrix has only dropped once for me when I first cleared the T1 Isolation Vault. T3 supposedly can give you 4 of the basic ones at a time, but I'm only getting those bigger ones, and haven't been able to start this path due to the 10 commons rank up price... Bless me, RNGsus ☹️

The necramech in the T1 vault should have a guaranteed drop of one.  If RNG keeps failing to give them on end-of-mission drop tables it might be simpler just to run T1 vaults (you don't even need to escort Loid, just kill the mech, grab the matrix and leave).  If you get a Resource Booster from login rewards you'll get two per mech.  Each tier's mechs drop different matrices though so it has to be the T1 vault.

[(NSW)Gamma83]

i also solo it , and have more than i could ever spend on this syndicate.
It's probably the easiest and shortest (in my opinion) "secret" syndicate to max out.

Cetus one for amps is rather long to do especially solo.
but fortuna's little duck is ok
and necroloid is very easy / fast.  (the longest thing being to get enough of the lowest tiered matrix to get the rank up as it asks specifically for a dozen of them and not of the higher tiered ones for rank up )
but that's my opinion of course.

If it's too hard to solo at the moment ,just max it a little bit later , maxing it don't give you much anyway.
there's tons of different gameplay , but personally i usually go for nekros + a crowdcontrol ability from the helminth system (usually octavia's mallet , but any is fine actually, even the simplest of them all , frost's trail of ice , is very effective ) in order to make loid survive to open the vault (which is not a "must" but still nice to get some bonus ^^ ) it won't help you against the necramech,  for that you just need to study them in order to know what can be effective against them according to your gameplay :  Gun , melee , stropha etc....

[Birdframe_Prime]

It's interesting to see this as part of the feedback because OP specifically said this:

On 2021-01-17 at 12:14 AM, ProjectPeachy said:

too difficult to do as a medium tier none-min-max frame solo

And that's really the crux of this discussion here.

Players have, for a long time, said that this game isn't actually difficult, that the grind is boring because the enemies are stupid and the objectives are easy because of it.

The issue being that it's relatively easy in Warframe to pick up over-powered frames and weapons that allow you to solo pretty much anything, and therefore it's boring because there's no challenge for the players that do this.

But that's not OP. OP is struggling because they enjoy playing a certain way that isn't necessarily optimised or even very effective given the situation.

T3 Vaults are not supposed to be easy, they're supposed to be for those players that know the way the game works and are able to use methods present in the game to make the specific mechanics of the frames and the game work for them.

Another player pointed out grabbing Nova, which is a great way to do things because it will slow down the enemy vastly while also doubling your damage. Other players I've met swear by Nezha, because he's rather tanky and has an ability that doubles damage on the necramech.

Players point out weapons that have massive punch through, so that you can hit the weak points on mechs easier, so the Catchmoon, the Stropha (with a Heavy Attack build) and so on. 

Why do they do that?

Because you're supposed to take weapons and use frames that make this easier for you. Running in with a Rhino that isn't built for a specific setup will often be exactly too difficult for the player. It will be difficult if you don't spec your build and choose your frame appropriately.

And I think that's what you'll find everyone else will tell you.

Personally? I solo'd the entirety of Deimos' content without any real issue. I struggled on the Steel Path variant of the bounties, because Deimos has enemies with direct scaling Damage Reduction that works off your weapons' modded DPS (excluding Crits, so Crit weapons actually work), but other than that I have everything from a few weeks of grind. I think the only thing I haven't got is the Morgha because I'm missing a damaged handle and really, really can't be bothered to go back for just that.

But you're not me, you don't have the huge arsenal of weapons and frames, so... rather than trying to force your way through T3 Vaults with what you have, maybe you could farm up to grab other frames that you might enjoy less, but will do the job you need to do?

[Katinka]

26 minutes ago, Birdframe_Prime said:

Deimos has enemies with direct scaling Damage Reduction that works off your weapons' modded DPS (excluding Crits, so Crit weapons actually work)

This is actually something that quite bugged me about Deimos because it wasn't that far back that we got a round of changes to try to reduce the reliance on crit builds and make status focussed weapons more competitive, then along comes Deimos with it's Viral proc immune enemies that have a reactive damage reduction system that favours crit builds...