Uan91 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Just now, Ace-Bounty-Hunter said: He could also take a break and go play something else for a while. Spending time playing a game you are clearly not enjoying is not healthy. You are missing the point, playing another game won't change the fact that the game is going downhill. It's okay complain about it, it's not okay say: Just play something else xd There is no game like Warframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovyul Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Uan91 said: the fact that the game is going downhill. you're inviting sh*tstorm upon yourself by saying this, just a heads up to what may come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltage Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 The direction of the game has shifted and so has the community the game serves. The game Warframe used to be doesn't have the same customer base it used to either. If you want Warframe to be what it used to, I feel like you're in the minority. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Bounty-Hunter Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, Sovyul said: oh yes, the good old "if you don't like it don't play it" people get attached to everything, especially if they invested a lot of time into that thing that used to be good but now it isn't (from their perspective) 19 minutes ago, Uan91 said: You are missing the point, playing another game won't change the fact that the game is going downhill. It's okay complain about it, it's not okay say: Just play something else xd There is no game like Warframe. Or they can continue to play it and grow more bitter and angry as a result. Whatever floats their boat. I just feel their complaints are irrelevant if they don't go cold turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GearsMatrix301 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 11 hours ago, Roble_Viejo said: Remember when Fortuna trailer with the Railjack landing in Orb Vallis? And remember when they specifically said that that was just to seamlessly tie the 2 demonstrations together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamazuki Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, Sovyul said: oh yes, the good old "if you don't like it don't play it" people get attached to everything, especially if they invested a lot of time into that thing that used to be good but now it isn't (from their perspective) Although, that's how it works... If you don't enjoy something, don't do it. Not exactly complicated. Game forums are always full of "it's going downhill" ever since they release. It's just a matter of people not fitting the majority that the developers are catering to. You either adjust or move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C11H22O11 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, Sovyul said: oh yes, the good old "if you don't like it don't play it" people get attached to everything, especially if they invested a lot of time into that thing that used to be good but now it isn't (from their perspective) It's true though, why force yourself to play a game you're not enjoying? They can tune in every update to see if it's something they like if they don't want to fully quit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Madurai-Prime Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Teljaxx said: Some people don't want to switch to 4 different games. Some people just like things you aren't gonna like. Edit: oh also, railjack was originally a part of Steve's plan for the game. So all those people that act like they "knew" what warframe "was" and "should be" were literally wrong. I can make up a bunch of stuff in my head, too. Doesn't mean that I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovyul Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 21 minutes ago, (XBOX)C11H22O11 said: It's true though, why force yourself to play a game you're not enjoying? They can tune in every update to see if it's something they like if they don't want to fully quit 21 minutes ago, Yamazuki said: Although, that's how it works... If you don't enjoy something, don't do it. Not exactly complicated. Game forums are always full of "it's going downhill" ever since they release. It's just a matter of people not fitting the majority that the developers are catering to. You either adjust or move on. 25 minutes ago, Ace-Bounty-Hunter said: Or they can continue to play it and grow more bitter and angry as a result. Whatever floats their boat. I just feel their complaints are irrelevant if they don't go cold turkey. all of you missed the point once you've invested countless hours, and you're emotionally attached to a game and its contents, you aren't going to just switch to something else without making a sound, unless of course you're some kind of an emotionless psychopath or the best consoomer on the planet "don't like it don't play it" is just an arrogant thing to say in this case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C11H22O11 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, Sovyul said: all of you missed the point once you've invested countless hours, and you're emotionally attached to a game and its contents, you aren't going to just switch to something else without making a sound, unless of course you're some kind of an emotionless psychopath or the best consoomer on the planet "don't like it don't play it" is just an arrogant thing to say in this case That's why I said they can tune in every update to play the game. Nothing wrong with being emotionally attached and investing multiple hours into it but one mustn't let that attachment taint yourself, sometimes it's time to give it a rest temporarily or permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkelheit Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 vor 6 Stunden schrieb (PSN)xxSHEPERDxx: I think the issues stem from Digital Extremes wanting to do more than just Warframe but not either having the capital or authority to do more, so they ended up moving to incorporate new elements into Warframe instead. To be fair, that's entirely fine -- if done well. Unfortunately, several elements of Warframe still fall short with existing design, let alone not all of the new content design is all that great. Improving these elements should be the focus of the dev team before going off on more wild tangents (which, again - could end up being just fine if done right). For me, the biggest thorn in the side is the content structure. Instead of adding robust campaign missions that aren't just "Do same stupid S#&$, poorly scripted into 'mission' events to unlock X Warframe" is idiotic and detrimental to the overall Warframe experience. Playing through The Second Dream a while back, I was happy that Warframe was actually implementing narrative driven, story content. This is what the competition has been doing with Live Service Games, with the most recent being Marvel's Avengers (albeit, not Free To Play). I then expected Warframe to continue to do the same only to find additional campaigns were the same low quality crap where some poorly scripted, sometimes poorly acted (DE really needs a voice director worth their salt) that failed to move the game forward. For example, the Chains of Harrow quest had a small element of interesting lore, but most of it was not for lack of any punch or meaningful additions to the lore. Instead we end up on a wild goose chase using siphon traps several times (should be cut down to just one), Other missions in the campaign just lazily recycle other game modes like survival/etc instead of having a more dedicated campaign like Natah/Second Dream featured. These are either the direct result of the publisher not affording the developer with funds to do any larger and robust content updates like TSD was;, or bad creative direction (which either or both could still be true today). There are many other issues of the type but I don't want to ramble on and on. Suffice to say Warframe has failed to really expand and evolve into something greater, which it could be in the right hands. The lore, as posters said above, is very interesting. While not particularly awesome, there's potential for improvement and elaboration -- though I think most would agree that the F2P aspects of the game are the primary factor in what holds it back, and that if Warframe wasn't F2P, it might have been better structured for a more polished experience and probably could have had two full fledged sequels by now (possibly even having a prequel game set in the Orokin era). Everything currently in the game can be improved. Because that potential exists, it's still hard to write off Warframe. I'm also well aware that the game does generate a decent amount of revenue and that it hasn't effectively funneled enough of that into quality improvements when it should have. Hopefully that changes with the new publisher, but chances are slim given who they are and what they do elsewhere. Are you aware that Warframe is going strong for 8 years now and whereas your example of Marvel's Avengers can be happy to go 8 months with a decent playerbase? Are you aware that Warframe was successful before they even implemented the first quest? You seem to have no clue where the game started and yet you claim that they did not evolve into something greater. I still remember when Warframe was 3 frames and one tileset to run though again and again. When I came back to the game after a 5 year break, I was marveled at the development and direction this game has taken. Are you aware that story driven content needs way too much development time compared to the time you take to play through it? A live service game that wants to keep their players busy has to find content that can be "lazily" recycled and gives enough motivation to play through the same missions again and again. You cannot develop 3000 hours of content that all feels fresh and new. It is all about the motivation. Are you aware that Warframe is no World of Warcraft and does not have 10.000.000 subscribers (I am aware that this is no longer the case, but they had this playerbase for years) who all pay 15 bucks per month? Thus it is absolutely not possible to come up with a world that is comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHargreav Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Sovyul said: all of you missed the point once you've invested countless hours, and you're emotionally attached to a game and its contents, you aren't going to just switch to something else without making a sound, unless of course you're some kind of an emotionless psychopath or the best consoomer on the planet "don't like it don't play it" is just an arrogant thing to say in this case Well that's untrue. I invested quite some time i to the game but I just go silent when I feel like I shouldn't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 9 hours ago, Teljaxx said: I feel like DE has lost their focus. It is the opposite since they actually try to regain the focus of what they intended the game to be back before it actually released. The tech wouldnt allow it back then but now it does and they've started to implement it with Railjack. And I gotta ask OP. How did you expect anything besides a shop for a 4 day event, an event that has never been antything but a few cosmetics? Self hype and hope are the first steps on the road to disappointment. - Chapter Master Instantus Gratificatus of the Millennials Space Marine Chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimzala Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Uan91 said: He isn't wrong tho It's an opinion, it has absolutely nothing to do with 'right or wrong'. 3 hours ago, Sovyul said: oh yes, the good old "if you don't like it don't play it" people get attached to everything, especially if they invested a lot of time into that thing that used to be good but now it isn't (from their perspective) And that is an incredibly unhealthy thing to do with a GaaS game that changes by definition. If a person chooses to allow their emotional state to be dictated by the changes in a Video Game they do not control, it's still on the player, NOT the game. The human has agency to 'solve the issue'. Just because people make unhealthy attachments to video games does not mean the rest of us have to encourage such bad choices. M-Rated, for those that can handle playing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanaukas Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said: And I gotta ask OP. How did you expect anything besides a shop for a 4 day event, an event that has never been antything but a few cosmetics? Just to clarify maybe it's a typo but isn't a 4 days event, last until Feb 24. I was confused reading this and I had to check. https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, vanaukas said: Just to clarify maybe it's a typo but isn't a 4 days event, last until Feb 24. I was confused reading this and I had to check. https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Days True that! My eyes decieved me when I watched the little video on twitter regarding upcoming things. 24th is the correct end date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roble_Viejo Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 A lot of you are missing my point:I AM having fun playing the game, because the reasons I got hooked up in the first place are still there hace 15 horas, Roble_Viejo dijo: Ive been playing the content since yes, grinding my way to MR 30, learning the in and outs of the game, making tons of plat, making friends, it was fun, it IS fun But the way DE develops Warframe (in terms of priorities, philosophies, quality and quantity) is MUCH worse than 4 years ago. Sure maybe there are more updates, but 10 updates today are far less rich than 2 updates from 4 years ago (again, in terms of Lore and Gameplay which I found much more important than Hubs and Shops) hace 15 horas, Roble_Viejo dijo: the Execution has changed from Quests that introduce Characters, Warframes, Weapons and such, to Hubs and Shops copy pasted from the ones before with the same missions we have always been playing (exterminate and mobile defense) always the same gameplay. The only thing the current development does much better than the old one is Cosmetics, but if you unironically think its ok that Fashion Frame IS literally the current endgame then its obvious why you don't find what is the issue in my post. I STILL love Warframe, but what's engaging for mehas been neglected for years. There is a reason I said that the most fun I had the day a new Event launched was playing the same Sorties I've been playing for years, why can't the new content be integrated in the old missions? How could I NOT feel grinding the new content is irrelevant, and pointless, if I KNOW that in the end I'm NOT gonna use it in the rest of the game? Am I crazy or a lot of you have forgotten how amazing updates were before?How each one of them consisted in whole new discoveries about Warframe'sLore and how the Gameplay changes were meant to be the new ways you weregoing to be playing daily? Only "integration" new content has seen since open worlds is Bounties being added to Sorties, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about And I'm gonna say this once again: I don't want MORE from DE, I just wish the new stuff they make was cohesive and integrated to everything they did before. I guess it boils down to: - No more Hubs and Shops that serve as content islands you grind out and never play again.- And more Quests and Gamemodes integrated to the content we have been playing daily for years.The resources are there, we just need DE to focus on Quality and not QuantityI wouldn't mind less updates if they become better, I will still play Sorties daily anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypernaut1 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Roble_Viejo said: :Where did you copy paste this from??: Updates are far more exciting now than they've ever been. They are less frequent though, so it kind of balances out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinaMonsoon Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Sovyul said: all of you missed the point once you've invested countless hours, and you're emotionally attached to a game and its contents, you aren't going to just switch to something else without making a sound, unless of course you're some kind of an emotionless psychopath or the best consoomer on the planet "don't like it don't play it" is just an arrogant thing to say in this case i must be a psychopath then because i constantly cycle between different games i only had one burn out period for warframe but i'm always switching up what games i'm playing every few months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovyul Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, JackHargreav said: Well that's untrue. I invested quite some time i to the game but I just go silent when I feel like I shouldn't play. congrats, proof enough that there are a lot of people on this planet who feel differently and are able to produce their own opinions 38 minutes ago, Zimzala said: And that is an incredibly unhealthy thing to do with a GaaS game that changes by definition. If a person chooses to allow their emotional state to be dictated by the changes in a Video Game they do not control, it's still on the player, NOT the game. The human has agency to 'solve the issue'. Just because people make unhealthy attachments to video games does not mean the rest of us have to encourage such bad choices. M-Rated, for those that can handle playing it. of course you can just turn around and wash your hands like you had nothing to do with it (you as in publishers, not you) regardless what the ideal situation is, reality is different and how do you go around defining what's healthy and unhealthy? all that OP has done is share his views and opinions on this game, which admittedly doesn't go along with the narrative that video game publishers prefer to establish i never asked any of you to encourage OP's beliefs, i merely pointed out what "don't like it don't play it" sounds like in this situation, and that humans get emotionally attached to objects, regardless of how efficient or inefficient such an event is because that's how humans work (or don't, see above) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roble_Viejo Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 hace 5 minutos, Hypernaut1 dijo: Updates are far more exciting now than they've ever been. They are less frequent though, so it kind of balances out. You can't say with a straight face that any of the updates from 2019 and 2020 were "far more exciting" than The Sacrifice which came out in 2017 I would change the whole of Deimos, Railjack and Liches for a SINGLE Quest like The Sacrifice, The War Within or The Second Dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimzala Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Just now, Sovyul said: congrats, proof enough that there are a lot of people on this planet who feel differently and are able to produce their own opinions of course you can just turn around and wash your hands like you had nothing to do with it (you as in publishers, not you) regardless what the ideal situation is, reality is different and how do you go around defining what's healthy and unhealthy? all that OP has done is share his views and opinions on this game, which admittedly doesn't go along with the narrative that video game publishers prefer to establish i never asked any of you to encourage OP's beliefs, i merely pointed out what "don't like it don't play it" sounds like in this situation, and that humans get emotionally attached to objects, regardless of how efficient or inefficient such an event is because that's how humans work (or don't, see above) You obviously used the idea of humans getting attached to things as if it exonerates bad behavior. This prose shows you think the player is not to blame, but the Evil game Companies. I don't make the definitions for anything here, I give my opinion, just like you. IMO, choosing to allow this game to become a Significant Other emotionally is a bad choice, very unhealthy, I do not care if you do not agree. Don't like, don't play it is a valid, healthy, normal strategy to stay happy and sane in the video game hobby world, IME. If people want to pay games that upset them, that's on them. As for the now yelling OP, good luck with your ... whatever it is you are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Elvenbane Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 4 hours ago, (PSN)Madurai-Prime said: Edit: oh also, railjack was originally a part of Steve's plan for the game. So? That doesn't automatically make it a good idea (or a bad one). Also, Railjack likely bears only a passing resemblance to whatever that original concept might have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 To say the game is going downhill isn't entirely correct, it still is being profitable and attracting players. But what is going downhill is actual investment in the gameplay, power is so easy to attain in Warframe that the gameplay is fast becoming an effortless chore, look at how many people complained in Scarlet Spear after the AFK Limbo "nerf" or how many people just used Mesa to effortlessly clear out Granum Void which was likely a reason for the RNG being a pain. No matter how much people might try to deny it, the game is currently in a state where the vast majority of players don't engage with much if any of the actual gameplay or variety, which has caused the development to become biased towards that non-engagement. The game is falling apart at the seams because of the power creep and people not only demand but expect more of it. Nothing has any value in Warframe right now, the vast majority of weapons are disposable, most of the time Warframes and their worth are decided on two metrics, killing everything in seconds or shutting the A.I. off (with the rare effortless tank occasionally making the cut), content is blitzed through in a week and every event is deemed a chore because they have to accommodate for the power creep. Warframe has very much become a game that suffers from "Why bother?" gameplay, why bother investing in most ranged weapons when even the weakest of Melee weapons can usually outpace them? Why bother with evasion when you can play Inaros/Revanent and facetank everything? Why bother aiming when you can dumbfire a Kuva Bramma everywhere? The core gameplay can't support anything more subtle than "BEEG NUMBARZ" anymore, not without having to make enemies immune to everything and slathering on Damage Resistance, that is the tragedy of Warframe, for all the options you have on the surface, the actual depth of the game gets more shallow with each passing year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)The Neko Otaku Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 DE didn't do much for holiday events in the past anyways plus im not going to expect them to put out anything big for such small things during a pandemic and when they're trying to focus on others things. I like the low grind of naberus and star days I don't have tobpull my sepf away from things to hard focus on it, i stip by use up old materials or quickly grab them and have fun with them while doing my other task Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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