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Note: This is a similar but not identical suggestion to suggestions like this one. Please don't merge our threads.

Normally I'd post something like this around Easter, but the circumstances have changed!

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This is a quote from [DE]Rebecca from the Spring of 2019. Since then, several permanent festive cosmetics have been added to the game which run counter to this statement:

  • Spinneret Ephemera
  • Naberus Ephemera
  • Eros Wings Ephemera - NEW
  • Eros Arrow Skin - Now permanent?

And despite this, DE still does not offer a way for players to hide these or other silly or potentially immersion-breaking cosmetics. Nor do they yet allow some of the other silly cosmetics to be kept permanently. We're stuck in the middle with no solution for any party: people that don't like these cosmetics can't hide them, and people that do like the cosmetics that are still temporary cannot keep them. It's inconsistent and no one is happy with the outcome, including DE's creative team!

Peculiar Content

DE should group these types of cosmetics under the "peculiar" label, which is already used for silly mods like Peculiar Bloom and Peculiar Growth. Peculiar items would be prefixed with a stylized flower icon (AH1Wq7a.png, a reference to Peculiar Bloom) to help identify them. This icon would be inserted into text the same way as the Lich icon used for existing Kuva weapon names:

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Ephemerals

In addition, the Peculiar Bloom and Peculiar Growth mods are replaced with a new category of Ephemera for weapons, which are given the name "Ephemeral".

  • AH1Wq7a.png Ephemeral Bloom
  • AH1Wq7a.png Ephemeral Growth

Ephemerals are particle effects or visual changes applied to weapons equipped through the Appearance menu. Other Ephemerals can then be added to the game, like Ephemeral Dex which could change a weapon's muzzle flash or weapon trail to a Lotus symbol like Dex weapons, or AH1Wq7a.pngEphemeral Splash which could replace impact effects with the Dog Days water splashes.

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Image result for warframe dex muzzle flash

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Making this change would provide DE with a new set of cosmetics they can sell or add as rewards, while also reworking and improving the existing (and widely unused) Peculiar mods. Weapon Ephemerals can be added to Liches, Queenpins, and other late-game activities, seasonal events, Prime Access, and so on.

"Show Peculiar Content" Option

Accompanying this new AH1Wq7a.pngPeculiar prefix is a new setting in the Options/Gameplay sub-menu:

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The Show Peculiar Content setting has 3 options:

  1. When Appropriate (default)
  2. Always
  3. Never

If this setting is set to When Appropriate, content marked as Peculiar will only be enabled and shown when it is appropriate for them to be visible. If the setting is set to Always or Never, the content is either always or never shown, regardless of when it is appropriate.

Peculiar Content When It Is Appropriate
Norg Mask*, Ephemeral Bloom, Ephemeral Growth Always**
Eros Arrow Skin, Eros Ephemera Around Valentine's Day
Lepus Headgear, Spring Step Ephemera Around Easter
Dog Days Ephemera During the Summer
Dullahan Mask, Naberus Ephemera*, Spinneret Ephemera* Around Halloween
Movember Mustaches During Movember
Ringers Skin, Spearmint Scythe Skin, Festive Glaxion Skin, Little Helper Hat Around Christmas/New Years

* Some content is right on the edge of being too outlandish, and it's up to DE if the want them to be included under this system.
** Some content isn't associated with a specific time of year and would always be appropriate to view, only hidden when Show Peculiar Content is set to Never.

Content that is not appropriate to be seen is not loaded or rendered, and like in the case of skins the default skin is loaded or rendered instead.

Note that this setting would only affect Peculiar content equipped by other players. Peculiar content you equip for yourself would always be shown on your own character.

Additionally, some seasonal cosmetics sets like the Towsun, Day of the Dead, and Solstice sets aren't quite silly enough to be marked Peculiar and would not be affected by this system.

This system can also apply to other types of content as well. For example, DE could add a spooky Nights of Naberus camera effect to missions played on Halloween, and users who have fully opted out would just see a regular mission.

Summary

In this way, silly or otherwise immersion-breaking content can be unified under a single banner. Players that want to avoid this kind of content entirely can do so. Players that want to view this kind of content year-round can do so. Players who do not care either way can continue to experience the same thing they have now. And by recycling the Peculiar name DE can make space for a new set of weapon-based Ephemera to create and sell. Everyone wins!

I sincerely hope that 2021 is the year DE finally sees the light and provides this much-needed option.

Edited by PublikDomain
Formatting, Updated with Dog Days 2021
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7 minutes ago, PublikDomain said:

In this way, silly or otherwise immersion-breaking content can be unified under a single banner.

Well prepared and well organized. I think I would use this feature if it was implemented. Good report!

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I never found other items to be that bad, but the Eros wings I'm already over seeing in game. Sure it looks good in captura. However, it's an eyesore when the majority of people have it in relays and missions.

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Now the problem is what is peculiar, some people agree that some ephemera are fine some agree that all of them are bad, some say some sesonial are bad some good, some say that some tennogen are also bad.

There is no good anwser and that's the problem, only arbitrary anwser.

Is a pink rhino with butterfly wing immersion break and should be in this option ? well no one complain about them before (and wings will go away with time since it's a new thing).

Same for candy melee weapons.....
You say yourself that Ephemeral Bloom, Ephemeral Growth, Norg Mask are fine... But why ? they are as silly as the other items ... so that the problem.

That why that if implemented, this thing will be a pain in the ass because half of the community will say some item are missing in it and others will say that some item should not be in.

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Sorry! Wasn't actually getting notifications of new comments so I missed some.

On 2021-02-13 at 6:02 PM, Jem991 said:

I want show my wing if this option is come I can't show my wing my fashion frame completely breaks

You'd continue to see your frame with whatever items you have equipped regardless of the setting, it's only other players who wouldn't see your wings/candy cane/pumpkin/etc if they've opted out or if it's out of season. Players who have opted in would continue to see all of your cosmetics as they are. As it stands players who don't wish to see your fashion are forced to, and that's not fair to them.

5 hours ago, Wind_Blade said:

Now the problem is what is peculiar, some people agree that some ephemera are fine some agree that all of them are bad, some say some sesonial are bad some good, some say that some tennogen are also bad.

DE would have the final say on what would or would not be considered Peculiar. It's ultimately up to them and their creative team, but the idea is that anything distracting, goofy, or outlandish would count. On the subject of TennoGen, I don't think TennoGen would ever fall under this category since the submission guidelines should keep all of that content kosher, but again that's on DE. If anything it might give TennoGen creators a new category to create content for.

5 hours ago, Wind_Blade said:

Is a pink rhino with butterfly wing immersion break and should be in this option ? well no one complain about them before (and wings will go away with time since it's a new thing).

Plenty of people complain about this, and it's the typical example given when people campaign for permanent silly cosmetics. If we can be a pink butterfly Rhino, why not a pink butterfly Rhino with bunny ears*? But while it's impossible to determine which combination of colors are too much and might be immersion-breaking, it's not impossible to determine that floppy bunny ears or a pumpkin head definitely are. A "vanilla-only" option might help with this, but that's beyond the scope of this setting.

5 hours ago, Wind_Blade said:

You say yourself that Ephemeral Bloom, Ephemeral Growth, Norg Mask are fine... But why ? they are as silly as the other items ... so that the problem.

Sorry, I'll update the formatting to make it more clear. Ephemeral Bloom and Ephemeral Growth would definitely be Peculiar, but the Norg mask... I guess an argument could be made that it fits the game's aesthetic? That's why it's ultimately up to DE. I would think wearing a fish on your head would be included, but who knows what DE thinks?

5 hours ago, Wind_Blade said:

That why that if implemented, this thing will be a pain in the ass because half of the community will say some item are missing in it and others will say that some item should not be in.

If someone has a good argument for why a specific item should or shouldn't be Peculiar then they're free to make it, but it's ultimately a decision for DE's creative team. And I would hope that they err on the side of caution since a non-holiday Peculiar item, like say hypothetically the butterfly wings, would only be hidden for the players who have fully opted out of seeing them. That's a decision for those players to make.

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Personally, I hope a feature like this isn't implemented.  While part of self-expression is certainly the ability to express yourself to yourself, it's often just as much about - if not more about - expressing yourself to others.

I would guess that DE isn't likely to implement a system like this, though.  Not only have they already made a decision that they're okay with this type of visual in the game, but any items that were labeled as "peculiar" would innately have their desirability diminished because many players want to be seen, and it's not in DE or Warframe's best interest to have rewards or shop items be less desirable.

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7 hours ago, (PSN)Unstar said:

While part of self-expression is certainly the ability to express yourself to yourself, it's often just as much about - if not more about - expressing yourself to others.

And IMO your self-expression to others doesn't outweigh their enjoyment of the game. DE seems to agree with this notion because they allow you to mute other Octavia players or reduce ally visual effects for the same reason.

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7 hours ago, (PSN)Unstar said:

any items that were labeled as "peculiar" would innately have their desirability diminished because many players want to be seen

The default option would allow these items to remain seen just as they are now, with the exception of the few items that are already permanent. Only players who fully opt out wouldn't see them, and that should be their choice and no one else's. Besides that, any potential decrease in desirability by some players opting out should be offset by the increase in desirability from these cosmetics all becoming permanent so you and like-minded players can view them year-round.

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On 2021-02-18 at 4:04 AM, (PSN)Unstar said:

Personally, I hope a feature like this isn't implemented.  While part of self-expression is certainly the ability to express yourself to yourself, it's often just as much about - if not more about - expressing yourself to others.

It has to be implemented sooner or later. Players are already upset seeing these “peculiar” cosmetics. If DE let it grow a new “Remove Peculiar Items” group will rise and invade the forums with their “Remove Peculiars” threads with a splash of toxicity.

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Being brainless (and seeing how this thread is nearing the bottom of this board)

Bump, I'm still in favor of this feature, and I still feel those wings are obnoxious.

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note that "when appropriate" is obscure - better described as say... 'Seasonal', or something that's atleast a bit more descriptive.

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1 minute ago, taiiat said:

note that "when appropriate" is obscure - better described as say... 'Seasonal', or something that's atleast a bit more descriptive.

It is a little generic, but that's the intention. Years ago the idea was just "Show Festive Cosmetics", but it turns out not all silly things are festive nor cosmetics. There are a lot of little in-betweens that can fall under the same umbrella, hence the gradual change of focus. Calling the option "when in season" would work for most things, but what about silly items without a corresponding season like Peculiar Bloom? By default you should see this year-round, because that's when it's appropriate to be seen. The only time you shouldn't see it is if you've fully opted out. That's the thinking, anyways. If there's a better term I'm all for it, but "seasonal" might not be it.

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21 minutes ago, PublikDomain said:

It is a little generic, but that's the intention

if it's that level of generic, then the user doesn't know what the setting represents. that's not a good setting.

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5 minutes ago, taiiat said:

if it's that level of generic, then the user doesn't know what the setting represents. that's not a good setting.

I mean I think it speaks for itself? Peculiar content - that is content prefixed with the AH1Wq7a.png Peculiar icon - would be shown (or hidden) by the setting. By default this content is shown only when it is appropriate to be shown. You could also choose to always show this content or never show this content.

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The English language is a fickle thing. Let's make DE implement it, then we can debate on what to name it. :crylaugh:

I think "immersion breaking" is the leading idea here. When "Thematically Appropriate" is the point, what it gets called doesn't matter.

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3 hours ago, anonymous14z said:

has this suggestion been implemented

Not yet.

3 hours ago, anonymous14z said:

thus my bumps inappropriate

Not inappropriate. 💖 Keep on bumpin'! Thanks for your dedication.

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