PublikDomain Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Traumtulpe said: You seem to demand that any weapon at all, even those a new player would have available, need to be efficient at the hardest content this game has to offer. That does not seem like a good idea. Yeah, it'd be terrible if players could use the weapons they actually enjoy! Because, uh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, PublikDomain said: Yeah, it'd be terrible if players could use the weapons they actually enjoy! It'd be terrible if you were to use the same weapon from MR 6 to MR 30. Terribly boring. That, and money, are the two reasons why weapons get better with higher MR requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I don't dislike guns. I used to, but that was due to my own hang-ups. The assertion that melee is better is backed by simple facts - Melee has access to the best mods, as well as competitive base stats. For example, Blood Rush provides a 760% Crit Chance boost, which is the single biggest crit chance mod in the entire game. Nothing else even faintly compares, and the 'balancing' of needing a 12 combo is not much of a downside, considering that you need to land a hit once every 15 seconds to maintain it with Drifting Contact - which is to say, you need to land at least 20 hits per survival rotation And, as people have pointed it out, Melee deals damage in AoE, and assuming that they survive the initial hit, you need to bear in mind many melees also have access to an innate ability to stunlock enemies infinitely as well, so that they are unable to fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Traumtulpe said: It'd be terrible if you were to use the same weapon from MR 6 to MR 30. Terribly boring. That, and money, are the two reasons why weapons get better with higher MR requirement. You mean like how somebody could theoretically do with the Kuva Tonkor since you only need to be MR5 to get access to Kuva Liches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, Traumtulpe said: You seem to demand that any weapon at all, even those a new player would have available, need to be efficient at the hardest content this game has to offer. That does not seem like a good idea. There are 2 options: You use an AoE weapon for AoE fights. You demand any weapon be made AoE so you can just use whatever. The game already is too easy... 7 minutes ago, Ailia_Grimm said: Why did you quote me for that? Where did I say that? I forgot to actually reply, my bad: You say that we're completely wrong, that guns aren't bad then proceed to say single target guns are bad & only AoE weapons are to be used in SP Which is exactly what we mean: Guns are bad, you keep contradicting yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Aldain said: You mean like how somebody could theoretically do with the Kuva Tonkor since you only need to be MR5 to get access to Kuva Liches? Oof, I almost forgot Kuva Liches were personal Nemesis for end game players for a second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Aldain said: You mean like how somebody could theoretically do with the Kuva Tonkor since you only need to be MR5 to get access to Kuva Liches? Yes, that's bad. And a big part in why the Bramma got nerfed. 2 minutes ago, Ailia_Grimm said: You say that we're completely wrong, that guns aren't bad then proceed to say single target guns are bad No, I didn't say that. You bring the right tool to the right situation. You wouldnt want to kill a Steel Path boss with the Tonkor either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Traumtulpe said: Yes, that's bad. And a big part in why the Bramma got nerfed. Yet the Kuva Tonkor is fine as-is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Tyreaus said: Some melee weapons won't get through higher tiered missions, I dunno, I've done some crazy things with a Skana in the state that a completely new player (albeit one with some very generous friends gifting them mods) could get their hands on. No forma. No potatoes. Even less sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PublikDomain Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Traumtulpe said: It'd be terrible if you were to use the same weapon from MR 6 to MR 30. Terribly boring. Speak for yourself. I think the Paracyst is a neat weapon and I'd love to use it more often, too bad it can't scale as well as melee and the few viable guns. WhY DoNt YoU lIKe gUnS? N-nO, NoT ThOsE GuNs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Aldain said: Yet the Kuva Tonkor is fine as-is? Probably. Doesn't seem like new players are all eager to get one at MR 6 like they were with the Bramma. There are better options anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Traumtulpe said: No, I didn't say that. You bring the right tool to the right situation. You wouldnt want to kill a Steel Path boss with the Tonkor either. We just said that 90% of the guns are bad because they are rifles, shotguns, or snipers designed for single target We just end up back to where we were: guns are bad as they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Traumtulpe said: Probably. Doesn't seem like new players are all eager to get one at MR 6 like they were with the Bramma. There are better options anyway. Still doesn't change the fact that you don't technically need any other weapon, since you've shown it working on Steel Path Mot, that means it would work just fine from MR5 to 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Ailia_Grimm said: We just end up back to where we were: guns are bad as they are Snipers are meta for Bosses. How can they be bad? Launchers wipe the floor with Steel Path enemies, how can they be bad? Don't try cutting your steak with a fork and a spoon. You might get funny looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z3us32610 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 34 minutes ago, Ailia_Grimm said: Fun fact: Did you know that the damage numbers that showed up when hitting an enemy were actually just pure visual & didn't show the actual damage the gun was doing A gun showing 14 could be doing the same amount of damage as a weapon showing 2000, if not more https://giant.gfycat.com/ComplexAjarArabianoryx.webm Wow that's funny. Never played Anthem and now I'm happy I didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Traumtulpe said: Snipers are meta for Bosses. How can they be bad? Launchers wipe the floor with Steel Path enemies, how can they be bad? Don't try cutting your steak with a fork and a spoon. You might get funny looks. You didn't answer my point at all, let me make it simpler for you: 90% of the guns in the game are single target weapons, which makes 90% of the guns bad It feels like I'm talking to a wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, z3us32610 said: Wow that's funny. Never played Anthem and now I'm happy I didn't. Didn't either, I actually saw this in a review video, which completely dissuaded me from playing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Ailia_Grimm said: You didn't answer my point at all, let me make it simpler for you: 90% of the guns in the game are single target weapons, which makes 90% of the guns bad It feels like I'm talking to a wall No, you are just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Traumtulpe said: No, you are just wrong. Read as: I have no argument/proof so I'm just going to say I'm right and hope people agree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Traumtulpe said: Snipers are meta for Bosses. How can they be bad? Launchers wipe the floor with Steel Path enemies, how can they be bad? Don't try cutting your steak with a fork and a spoon. You might get funny looks. Rubico Prime: Base damage = 187. Maximum concievable critical hit chance, sacrificing three slots, fire rate and requiring zooming in: 126% Gram Prime: Base damage = 300. Crit Chance attained from one, low-cost mod and a little time: 243% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Aldain said: Read as: I have no argument/proof so I'm just going to say I'm right and hope people agree with me. You use single target guns for single target fights. Usually bosses. I dislike repeating myself, so try to understand this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Loza03 said: Rubico Prime: Base damage = 187. Maximum concievable critical hit chance, sacrificing three slots, fire rate and requiring zooming in: 126% Gram Prime: Base damage = 300. Crit Chance attained from one, low-cost mod and a little time: 243% Don't forget that the Gram Prime has an extra 10 capacity thanks to a stance mod. Meanwhile the Rubico Prime has...an Exilus slot it doesn't need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Traumtulpe said: No, you are just wrong. Your next line will be: I had better memes but I don't think the mods would approve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Traumtulpe said: You use single target guns for single target fights. Usually bosses. I dislike repeating myself, so try to understand this time. Sorry I don't speak "bad argument", really need to take those night classes and get certified in that language apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joezone619 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 compared to melee, guns have barely been developed, there are a lot of guns sure, but melee has stances, special abilities sometimes like skiajati, what do guns have? point and shoot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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