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Just watched the video about new features.... I don't quite understand 2 things :

 

1) Pilot being unable to shoot guns during "sprint".    That's pretty eh.... 

  • If you want to reduce "wobble" caused by pilot's aiming......then you should remove guns from Pilot completely.  Disabling them for Sprint will not help. 
  • If you want to make Pilot's firepower weaker....this will not help either, as Gunners can barely hit sht while RJ sprints. Instead, remove ordnance (rockets) from Pilot's seat.

2) Usage of Warframe energy in its current state.  Crappy idea tbh.

Making accent on consumable spam, zen and specific frame abuse?  Will you ever learn?  Want to make people run only Hilldryn coz she uses Shield instead of Energy?  What about Lavos? No energy whatsoever....will he put RJ abilities on CD or sumthin?   Protea will be one of the top choices too....especially if Rewind would not cancel when you mount Turrets.

 

Flux is ok.  Keep it.  Maybe give Flux tank to each frame...I dunno.    Cooldowns for RJ abilities would still be better, as people use Vortex/ Salvo spam to quickly clear maps... This alone makes both Gunnery and Piloting pretty meh.

 

 

P.S.   I suggest to add CASTER seat.  Whoever sits there, will be able to use RJ attack abilities, such as Vortex, Salvo, Tether and such.  Anything that deals AOE damage.

 

Because if both Pilot and Gunners will simultaneously spam Salvos, while being Hilldryns with fast shield regen...….Well. Its gonna be BIG META. You will have to Nerf. And it will turn into another S#&$storm....and Im runnin out of popcorn.

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Note the following is aimed to be constructive.

As one of the masochists who was able to solo veil proxima on the release version of railjack, I have concerns over increasing the speed of the rail jacks (blink) even further and what the armour/hull levels are changing to.

Then there is the question of anyone getting to play the game mode, as the nuking with Munitions Vortex, Void hole and Tether needs brought into check. Not having the pilots shoot is a good step.

With the pre-update current much easier railjack game balance you do not need a squad or command intrinsic, if you do have a squad and they have not just joined to go afk they should fly on to the other mission objectives as otherwise they would have nothing todo apart from watch the fireworks (and make ammo).

I liked the original harder to kill ships, it felt like a battle but the time to kill was just too long and the grinner healing bubbles where much stronger. The rewards to time required where not there. I worry that the demoing of the new changes with a base excal means that you are expecting MR0,1,2 to join missions now meaning what was left of the the game modes difficulty is gone. The orphix mode I assume is locked behind the unlock of the operator and deimos intro quest.

 

If there is one thing to fix before releasing the update it's -

Gunnery Rank 10 - "Aim snaps turret to lead indicator (lock-on lasts much longer than before, with small added cost to weapon heat) "

This is not good and add a sour pill to the planned changes. This about to repeat the mistake of Void Radiance only this time with the cost of mastery points as no one should level it. Intrinsic's should be improvements and not come with a Nerf. Anyone who has leveled intrinsic's that far doesn't even need the aim help, however having to leave MR points on the table to min-max is not a nice feeling at MR30+.

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What will be the new endo value for Avionic mods??

 

Just to know if It would be good to upgrade copies of existing avionics that cost less Dirac than endo value for the most expensive ones, like hyperflux.

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Please DE put good effort into the crew ai. Alot of ppl including me use lower quality PCs and have issues with this content in groups leading us to soloa lot of the more graphic and processor strenuous content. If the AI crew is able to help out decently enough then we will have no problem clearing high level content as we've done before. The issue with railjack was just the sheer mass of what needs to be done and that it takes a minimum of two players to keep ships alive in higher content.

I love this game it's amazing the work you've done, but please for this content if your incorporating something like corpus liches into it, put as much effort into the details and features as you do the helper AI. For some of us that can make or break this coming update.

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Early Adopter shouldn't mean no-lifer. Like, seriously, who other than completionists got even close to repairing 30 wreckages? I've been interacting with Railjack since Rising Tides and only had to repair like 5-7 pieces of equipment in that whole time.

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Sort of a shame the next update is for the worst part of the game. I'm, in the camp of abandon railjack its not warframe. Granted, i hope those who like this enjoy it, i'll just be waiting until update 30 to bother with new stuff. 

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32 minutes ago, Voltage said:

How would you measure this without being incredibly exclusive from most "early adopters" though?

Would you rather just get the usual update treatment that gives you a thank you and a pat on the back while they devalue your progression?

I can't really think of a way to measure "early adopter" besides Intrinsics or a date on progression.

Yes, intrinsic level is the easiest solution, real early adopters most likely already had their intrinsics maxed or at least high enough to be eligible for Tier 3 at his point, latecomers can still get it but need to do extra grind since the nerf to intrinsic point gain.

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Can we just leave avionics where it exists and simply make 3 turrets for crew that controls sort of remote drones that can fly around railjack, but kinda snapped to it..  With separated from pilot's abilities, like stun and attract enemies. And with ability to recharge railjack modular shields, like a cube's sides.. Make that drones able to be destroyed and repaired with omni by 4-10 damaged onboard "hazards", create navigation useful stuff to them and.. well.. to just make it interesting for all crew members.. 






And can moderators please clear this topic from all scrap freebie discussions?





 

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@[DE]Rebecca

There seems to be a lot of confusion over the wreckage rewards. Can the specific stat that will be used to allocate Tier be placed into the Profile Stat list please, so that we do not have to sit and wonder and worry whether we have done enough or not, whether it includes valenced components and Sigma components?

eg.

"Railjack Stats

Repaired Wreckage:   31"

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6 minutes ago, apophis_dd said:

@[DE]Rebecca

There seems to be a lot of confusion over the wreckage rewards. Can the specific stat that will be used to allocate Tier be placed into the Profile Stat list please, so that we do not have to sit and wonder and worry whether we have done enough or not, whether it includes valenced components and Sigma components?

eg.

"Railjack Stats

Repaired Wreckage:   31"

How about they just change the requirement for the rewards to something that actually represents the players. like instrincs, or just give the t3 to everyone who put up with the buggy mess that railjack is.

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15 hours ago, MrSigy said:

Tbh the only thing I want is to be able to remove or scrap the standard "Sigma" items and the default Pulsar/Apoc/Tycho Seeker.
They are a nuisance in my eyes that cannot be removed and burned into my retina.
Please allow us to remove them.

Also please specify if 

 

15 hours ago, isti0258 said:

Any clarification to this? For example i have only repaired like 8-10 wreckage, but my railjack is maxed (played from the start, but didnt waste resources on lower tiers, so scrapped everything to not take up space, cant blame me for min-maxing), Do i not get the tier 3 pack? 
Seems like a really good upgrade to the game , but this part need a second look.

 

16 hours ago, (XBOX)JavaScriptX said:

Kinda confused by this, what exactly are these Wreckage that someone completes.

 

15 hours ago, Fire2box said:

I assume repairing parts to use on railjacks but with the term "wreckage" to me that also suggests scrapping it for divracs or whatever it was might of count. Because's honestly no one needed to repair 30 items to use on their railjack and after they took away instant repair drones for plat well yeah... 

 

15 hours ago, android3162 said:

I think it means repairing a wreckage you picked up in a mission

 

15 hours ago, shieldb said:

Some clarification around this would be swell! I'm in the category of folks that feel like they've "finished" the current iteration of RJ (Finished the RJ star chart, maxed out all the intrinsics, all T3 parts/weapons on my railjack that have been valence fusion'd to at least 90% rolls), but I'm not sure I've actually repaired 30 wreckage since valence fusion allows you to use unrepaired components. The initial "repair the wreckage" costs versus resource acquisition had me queueing up with other folks to go straight to T3 parts and not really bother with building T1/T2 stuff.

 

15 hours ago, Voltage said:

What does "complete 30 wreckage" mean? I have 10 components & Armaments (because I have the optimal of each), and 5 wreckage. Do I need 30 crafted?

 

15 hours ago, DragonsRain said:

yea so, how do I know how much wreckage I have build?
I have this nagging feeling I am at around 27 or so..

 

15 hours ago, NekroArts said:

I would like clarification on this too. What's current is vague and my cause players to start farming now, repair them as soon as possible, and use platinum to expand their Built inventory (if they perceived it this way). At base players have 8 built-component spaces and each purchase to expand cost 12p and gives 2 slots. So to get 30 built-component spaces will require 132p.

 

15 hours ago, (XBOX)Graysmog said:

For the Wreckage in general, does this mean any tier of Wreckage counts?

So say we aren't sure how many Wreckage items we've made already, does that mean we can just build a bunch of Mark 1 Wreckage and it would still count? As it is still technically Wreckage.

Also, would there be any way to see how much Wreckage we've actually crafted and put into items? Just something small, like a little number next to the items name to see how many times it's been Valenced, for example?

For Clarity -  Completed Wreckage --- Is called Scrap Components and Armaments - In the RJ Menu.

Scrap Wreckage is just uncompleted.

You need to have bought extra slots to have up to 30 Completed Wreckage.

I have 35 because I Completed Wreckage/Scrap Components and Armaments from both Found in game and T3 Dojo Research + a few Regular from Dojo.

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The compensation rewards are weird, nothing there matters, it's like i finished the race and your making me start it again like i was a novice, what I want are 2 forma bundle because your making me use them to achieve what I already had, 1 of each reactor maxed values because I sold allot of them i kept what was actually good, umbra forma just because  and an unique item railjack skin.

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Now that I've had an evening without playing the game, let me ask a few more questions that need answers.

 

1) You told us that using the same base damage types as the core gameplay was impossible, because at the time slash was the only viable damage type.  As of today, it's still heavily favored....but suddenly you're doing a complete turn-around.  Why?  The explanation seems to be to harmonize the names....but you fought us about this upon release.  I'm....less than enthusiastic that you've thought this through entirely.  I'm also entirely frustrated that after a year and change of this you've finally walked this back and are selling it to us as if it's the best thing since sliced bread.  We, the community, stated this was goofy upon release where someone had to go out and create a chart displaying the 1:1 name change relationship.

 

2) So....what exactly do reactors do now?  Before they were a balance of flux energy and avionics capacity.  People chose one as "the best" because the capacity for avionics was highest.  Now your flux is warframe based....so what reason is there to to have anything?  The Plexus must be influenced by the reactor....right?  Again, you've introduced us a system with about 10% of its mechanics fully settled and we're two weeks out from this going live.  Please, stop.  Do a bloody test server in two weeks, then tack on another two weeks for feedback time, revision, and an actual stable release.  Railjack has already been bloodied by miserable release, we don't need it to get worse.

 

3) Speaking of, you've now got unlimited boost.  Fantastic.  I actually like the no shooting while boosting thing....but I'm at a loss.  There's now no reason to choose an engine for boost or speed.  You simply plug in the boost value and regular value, and figure out which provides greater total speed.  No reason for the balance, simply a mathematically best option.  Oh boy.

 

4) Let's talk intrinsic levels.  You kept the insanity of Railjack influencing archwing....because.  You've added a forced Railjack to get access to Necramechs in mission.  Fine.  What this communicates is not integration.  What this communicates is that we are forced to play a game mode to unlock basic features....oh and by the way you're also handicapped on performance too....because everybody loves hiding bonuses behind miserable grinds....that we cannot do now....because you don't want people to obtain enough resources to unlock features on day one....because that then allows us to ignore the otherwise frustratingly grindy systems.  Joy.  Lessons not learned.

 

5) I'll end on this, for the sake of brevity.  "You can now just buy a Railjack instead of doing the free-to-play mission."  You can still buy the avionics packs.  I....really hope you understand exactly what this is communicating to the community.  There are plenty of people who label this as farm frame, and pay to win by virtue of inventory slots.  I'm less than enthusiastic about that, but when your design choices are like this I can't really argue in good faith.  I'm seeing a "pay now" button, that's locking away features.  You just pay some platinum to avoid what once was a multiple day wait timer with nutty resource costs.  Then you skip RNG farming for avionics, by paying for a defined pack.  You then skip the grind to get intrinsics by buying an affinity booster.  You then play the barest minimum number of missions, and get the items from core warframe unlocked.  My motivation for engaging with Raijack then is defined not as a desire for Railjack, but as plowing through the roadblocks erected to prevent using my stuff in the regular game without a penalty.  Do you get it yet?  Let me make this clear, I don't like Railjack because you're using it to hold the other bits in the game for ransom.  If you do this you start out fighting players for engagement, instead of asking them to join you in a fun new experiment.  I cannot believe after a year and change this hasn't yet sunk in...but it really does point to DE not understanding how people engage with this game.

 

 

Let me re-iterate.  USE A TEST SERVER BEFORE PUSHING THIS OUT THE DOOR.  You have already spent the better part of 16 months fighting with the community over your vision of Railjack, and our desire to play fun content.  We realize you're too stubborn to let this game mode get twilighted, which is fine.  What isn't fine is being 3 complete revisions into this, and still being too stubborn to do a full play test.  Please, learn from your mistakes.  At this point I know it's too much to ask, but not screwing this up is not really a request.  It's an ultimatum, because if this is bad there's not going to be a community anymore.

4 frames in 2020 became 2 (Protea and Lavos).  Railjack was pushed to late Q1 2021.  The Corpus Liches were pushed farther than that.  Call of Tempestarii is being pushed farther than that.  I know scope changes....but so far the stupid person in the room believes you.  That's frustrating, because you've had basically a decade to learn how to maintain workflow in a single company.  I spent last week defending you, because somebody asked for you to admit that things were bad, and this week I have to wade through a PR statement missing so much critical information it's a joke.  Please DE, don't f*** it up.  

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40 minutes ago, Eklectus said:

Early Adopter shouldn't mean no-lifer. Like, seriously, who other than completionists got even close to repairing 30 wreckages? I've been interacting with Railjack since Rising Tides and only had to repair like 5-7 pieces of equipment in that whole time.

That’s only tier 3. Tier 1 and 2 aren’t hard to reach.

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1 minute ago, (XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom said:

That’s only tier 3. Tier 1 and 2 aren’t hard to reach.

Indeed - But you need to buy extra slots to have 30

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1 minute ago, (XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom said:

That’s only tier 3. Tier 1 and 2 aren’t hard to reach.

I've played Rj from release, and im not even eligible for t2 even though i have a maxed out Rj/maxed intrinsics, because i didnt waste resources or plat for slots, if they relly think that having 30 wreckages means you are an eraly adapter, well they are reeeeeally disconected with the community.

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1 minute ago, (XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom said:

That’s only tier 3. Tier 1 and 2 aren’t hard to reach.

Your point? I am, by definition, as early as an adopter can get, yet the way the detection is currently set up, don't even pass for T2. A legendary core and Umbral Forma isn't exactly something to sneeze at.

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1 minute ago, isti0258 said:

I've played Rj from release, and im not even eligible for t2 even though i have a maxed out Rj/maxed intrinsics, because i didnt waste resources or plat for slots, if they relly think that having 30 wreckages means you are an eraly adapter, well they are reeeeeally disconected with the community.

It took me an Hour on Earth to get the rest for 22 completed.

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8 hours ago, DawnoftheWhiteFury said:

2. Since Orphix Venom, a lucrative Arcane farming method, will now be a permanent mission type available, will Eidolon rewards see any kind of a rework in order to keep up? Eidolons should still be worth doing, as they are gated by a time limit whereas Orphix Venom is not. I would suggest changing Eidolons so they drop 3 Arcanes each rather than 1 as a means of making the two a tad more equal.

ROFL, you have to be kidding, would you like some free platinum and an umbra forma as well?

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Just now, isti0258 said:

I've played Rj from release, and im not even eligible for t2 even though i have a maxed out Rj/maxed intrinsics, because i didnt waste resources or plat for slots, if they relly think that having 30 wreckages means you are an eraly adapter, well they are reeeeeally disconected with the community.

I made no such claim that you’re an early adopter only if you’ve built 30 wreckage. You’re considered an early adopter if you built any wreckage or clan BP. Also just because you haven’t made 12 wreckage doesn’t mean it’s not easy.

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3 minutes ago, Eklectus said:

Your point? I am, by definition, as early as an adopter can get, yet the way the detection is currently set up, don't even pass for T2. A legendary core and Umbral Forma isn't exactly something to sneeze at.

DE seems to leave the highest tier for those that have spent of mildly significant amount of plat on RJ.

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