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Dome charges? Dude, have you been using cheap shot or whatever was the name of that mod giving you % chances to not use a charge? I don't think so. The only thing you had to replenish was flux and sometimes 1 forge for a dome. That's all. Seems your experience with an old  RJ was minor at most.

 

Regardless, my point is I was perfectly able to do the hardest missions in veil proxima solo, fairly quick but not anymore. And that's what I can't accept. Since black hole, tether and flux capacity ( now energy ) been significantly nerfed it's nearly impossible to do without hiring an NPC crew. If I wanted an AI playing for me, I'd stick to AFK arena not warframe. So what's next? An eidolon nerf with hired crew so they will kill tridolons while you can mine nodes on plains?

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On 2021-03-25 at 8:31 AM, Tehtus said:

You're completely wrong here matey. With a proper rj build and a little knowledge you could do veil proxima missions solo under 15 minutes. blackholing/tethering fighters, 1 ordinance hit to disable shield on carriers + quick swap on tunguska to finish them off with a single shot. No need to touch foundry apart of restocking before the next mission. That's how I maxed my intrinsics, took me 3 evenings or so. The only players I found out enjoying this update were those, who failed to master the old railjack.

I soloed the old system just fine. I'm soloing this one just fine too, except now I don't need to waste time in my RJ versus going after the new mission objectives. For the Grineer missions, it's basically exactly the same except there I toss my Pilot into another Gunner to help blast crewships/fighters, and then zip off to do whatever else is needed while the crew manages the RJ.

 

Is the AI perfect? Hell no. They are scripted to do basic functions, pew pew pew at enemies, and whatnot. If/when you need specifics, then you take over the controls. The only time I've had to mess with my foundry has been if I need to blast the weak reactor points with Forward Artillery. It's honestly easier and more fun to just board and nuke the Corpus crewships, imo.

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1 hour ago, JackHargreav said:

Yeah after playing the game mode more I can say with all certainty that the "taxi" complaints are all BS.

Railjack feels like the Railjack we had. Maybe you should play the game instead of whatever you're doing.

If that was the case people wouldn't be complaining. Corpus railjack has almost nothing to do with railjack.

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1 minute ago, (PSN)reddragonhrcro said:

If that was the case people wouldn't be complaining. Corpus railjack has almost nothing to do with railjack.

Ppl always complain about everything here.

And you should follow my little advice. Play the game. Or if you hate Rj then and I know this will blow your mind but just listen to me for a second,

then don't play it.

Wow! What? Crazy I know.

But putting that a side. Why don't you pull up an old and new gameplays and compare them? Or would that prove you're dead wrong so instead you will sit here and try to spread lies cause you hate the game and want it to die?

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20 minutes ago, JackHargreav said:

Ppl always complain about everything here.

And you should follow my little advice. Play the game. Or if you hate Rj then and I know this will blow your mind but just listen to me for a second,

then don't play it.

Wow! What? Crazy I know.

But putting that a side. Why don't you pull up an old and new gameplays and compare them?

I enjoyed RJ as it was prior the update and this update made some nice changes, however the new missions aren't one of those things. They are a straight up downgrade. So no, I'm not going to sit down and let a mode I enjoy get ruined by turning it into regular missions with extra steps.

20 minutes ago, JackHargreav said:

Or would that prove you're dead wrong so instead you will sit here and try to spread lies cause you hate the game and want it to die?

Me complaining has nothing to do with hating the game or wanting to see it die, on the contrary, I love the game, I play it every single day and in order for the game to remain in a good state, positive and negative feedback is important as otherwise DE wouldn't be able to fix stuff that is problematic but clearly whiteknights like you can't grasp that.

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34 minutes ago, HoustonDragon said:

We need a new Escort mission where we provide Railjack Uber for the Corpus :P

Congratulations, you just pitched a Railjack version of Rescue.

Complete with "Into the garbage chute flyboy" reference and tractor beams.

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1 hour ago, JackHargreav said:

Ppl always complain about everything here.

And you should follow my little advice. Play the game. Or if you hate Rj then and I know this will blow your mind but just listen to me for a second,

then don't play it.

Wow! What? Crazy I know.

But putting that a side. Why don't you pull up an old and new gameplays and compare them? Or would that prove you're dead wrong so instead you will sit here and try to spread lies cause you hate the game and want it to die?

What a toxic mindset to have, suggesting that anyone with criticisms just don't participate and making baseless accusations that people with different mindsets "hate the game and want it to die". Maybe ask yourself if people enjoyed different parts of RJ than you did and that the update removed the ability to get that satisfaction.

I personally hate the fact that I don't have the option to host public sessions random people can dip in and out of to bum off my maxed RJ. I hate that the jamming drone segments have random electric procs wherever you go for no apparent reason and that the drones spawn all over the place in the ship, sometimes 300m away from the console, and the RJ crew can't do anything to speed up the process or mitigate the problems. The Corpus ship defense tile is hands down the worst tile in the game that you have to do a pre-mission to even access for mediocre rewards. Crew members lack the basic capability to attack a radiator on Grineer missions, so the objectives where it would have been most beneficial to have team members on the RJ are no different than they were pre-patch. There are so many things that could have made this update a fantastic revision for the RJ experience.

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11 hours ago, JackHargreav said:

Ppl always complain about everything here.

And you should follow my little advice. Play the game. Or if you hate Rj then and I know this will blow your mind but just listen to me for a second,

then don't play it.

Wow! What? Crazy I know.

But putting that a side. Why don't you pull up an old and new gameplays and compare them? Or would that prove you're dead wrong so instead you will sit here and try to spread lies cause you hate the game and want it to die?

FREAKING SPARE ME! 

Before this update you didnt like it infact HATED Railjack Hargreav, but i didnt hear you accpet the montra of "Dont like it? Dont play it" and then leave it for those who did genuinely enjoy the mode. instead you rallied for a change to make it less like railjack (less of what made the mode so unique and amazing) and more like Core Warframe (somethign we all play for years and have grown repetitive) 

and now when thos eof us who actually appreciated the mode and loved it despite the few faults it had, when WE come out in clear disgust for what the mode we loved has become you come with the pathetic attitude of "Well dont like it dont play it" and say those of us want the game to die. PUHLEASE if i had told you that before this update youd be blowing youre top off, because youre not being catered to with content that wasnt built FOR YOU. if you want what Corpus railjack has then you shouldve stuck to the star chart and leave railjack alone for thos eof us who actually enjoy it. 

 

you didnt appreciate the mode prior, so why should you be catered to over those who actually did? you have core warframe, 90% of the game might i add, but we cant even have a 10% sliver? over 1 or 2 updates? 

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20 minutes ago, (XBOX)Madinogi said:

FREAKING SPARE ME! 

Before this update you didnt like it infact HATED Railjack Hargreav, but i didnt hear you accpet the montra of "Dont like it? Dont play it" and then leave it for those who did genuinely enjoy the mode. instead you rallied for a change to make it less like railjack (less of what made the mode so unique and amazing) and more like Core Warframe (somethign we all play for years and have grown repetitive) 

and now when thos eof us who actually appreciated the mode and loved it despite the few faults it had, when WE come out in clear disgust for what the mode we loved has become you come with the pathetic attitude of "Well dont like it dont play it" and say those of us want the game to die. PUHLEASE if i had told you that before this update youd be blowing youre top off, because youre not being catered to with content that wasnt built FOR YOU. if you want what Corpus railjack has then you shouldve stuck to the star chart and leave railjack alone for thos eof us who actually enjoy it. 

 

you didnt appreciate the mode prior, so why should you be catered to over those who actually did? you have core warframe, 90% of the game might i add, but we cant even have a 10% sliver? over 1 or 2 updates? 

Can you tell me where I said that? It's nice that you don't even come out with an evidence.

Railjack btw is still the same Railjack as it was. So you probably didn't play the game mode at all. Just watched some YouTuber and decided their video is your opinion now.

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10 hours ago, Alpheus said:

What a toxic mindset to have, suggesting that anyone with criticisms just don't participate and making baseless accusations that people with different mindsets "hate the game and want it to die". Maybe ask yourself if people enjoyed different parts of RJ than you did and that the update removed the ability to get that satisfaction.

I personally hate the fact that I don't have the option to host public sessions random people can dip in and out of to bum off my maxed RJ. I hate that the jamming drone segments have random electric procs wherever you go for no apparent reason and that the drones spawn all over the place in the ship, sometimes 300m away from the console, and the RJ crew can't do anything to speed up the process or mitigate the problems. The Corpus ship defense tile is hands down the worst tile in the game that you have to do a pre-mission to even access for mediocre rewards. Crew members lack the basic capability to attack a radiator on Grineer missions, so the objectives where it would have been most beneficial to have team members on the RJ are no different than they were pre-patch. There are so many things that could have made this update a fantastic revision for the RJ experience.

Except it's not toxic.

If you want to send a message to the devs that you don't like something decrease numbers. The less ppl play the more they pay attention.

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As others have said, the part that irritates me the most is being forced OFF the Railjack to do an objective with the other 3 people!

WTF!?

Why can't people stay on the RJ if they want to? Why can't the RJ contribute to the ground team completing the mission by destroying or hacking systems on the outside of the ship/ objective to allow the ground team to progress inside the ship / objective?

I really hate being railroaded in games, especially in games that say "Play your way"!

 

 

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19 hours ago, JackHargreav said:

Yeah after playing the game mode more I can say with all certainty that the "taxi" complaints are all BS.

Railjack feels like the Railjack we had. Maybe you should play the game instead of whatever you're doing.

Not sure what game you are playing, xbox?

99% of the missions you jump into in corpus proxima = Rush to derelict, wait one to exit RJ, jump to capitol ship, break security nodes and blow up a crewship. Go inside the crewship.

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6 hours ago, JackHargreav said:

Except it's not toxic.

If you want to send a message to the devs that you don't like something decrease numbers. The less ppl play the more they pay attention.

Totally with you @JackHargreav, telling people to not do something they say they do not enjoy is somehow, the toxic, negative POV is just plain silly.

These people think they want to hold DEs feet to the fire?

The ONLY way they can actually do that is to not play the game, falling numbers are really the only thing that would work at scale.

So the game company made a thing you don't like?

Then don't play the thing,

It's not rocket surgery.

No one at DE owes you as an individual player anything.

This whole gamer idea of get on the current DE Hate Band Wagon or you are the 'toxic' one is simply BS.

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Am 26.3.2021 um 17:45 schrieb Tehtus:

Dome charges? Dude, have you been using cheap shot or whatever was the name of that mod giving you % chances to not use a charge? I don't think so. The only thing you had to replenish was flux and sometimes 1 forge for a dome. That's all. Seems your experience with an old  RJ was minor at most.

 

Regardless, my point is I was perfectly able to do the hardest missions in veil proxima solo, fairly quick but not anymore. And that's what I can't accept. Since black hole, tether and flux capacity ( now energy ) been significantly nerfed it's nearly impossible to do without hiring an NPC crew. If I wanted an AI playing for me, I'd stick to AFK arena not warframe. So what's next? An eidolon nerf with hired crew so they will kill tridolons while you can mine nodes on plains?

there are tons of possibilities for skill spam. and you don't even have to leave the turret or pilot position ...
you have to know it ............. right?

the veil trash is dead in a few seconds. side gun turrets is unnecessary.

and how popular was railjack in the past? or who took it seriously?
the same with archwing missions. who is playing them seriously?

crew seems to be extremely important. suddenly there are public groups for railjack. and you can play a lot very comfortably with two people. without annoying ship repairs and defense.

I also think your comparison with eidolons is grossly exaggerated. anyone who seriously plays eidolons for arcanes must be a masochist. I'm much better off trading.

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16 hours ago, JackHargreav said:

Except it's not toxic.

If you want to send a message to the devs that you don't like something decrease numbers. The less ppl play the more they pay attention.

You think they can get any useful info if nobody plays the content to give feedback? You think they rework frames in the weeks after their release by asking the magic conch? If nobody's running the content then how are they going to decide what actions they can take to draw players back to it? If everybody who hated the current iteration of railjack just suddenly stopped playing then how do you expect they'd figure out why everybody left to begin with? Your suggestion is nuclear and benefits nobody.

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4 hours ago, Alpheus said:

You think they can get any useful info if nobody plays the content to give feedback? You think they rework frames in the weeks after their release by asking the magic conch? If nobody's running the content then how are they going to decide what actions they can take to draw players back to it? If everybody who hated the current iteration of railjack just suddenly stopped playing then how do you expect they'd figure out why everybody left to begin with? Your suggestion is nuclear and benefits nobody.

Leave a feedback and don't play.

It's like basic math.

1 don't play+ 1leave a feedback (in the feedback section)= rework

Pretty easy stuff.

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On 2021-03-26 at 6:45 PM, Tehtus said:

So what's next? An eidolon nerf with hired crew so they will kill tridolons while you can mine nodes on plains

Sure... Why not... I'm down with that 🙂.... Can I get fries with that too ?

On 2021-03-26 at 9:19 PM, JackHargreav said:

then don't play it.

Not an Option... Gotta get them Nightwave Goodies....

Now if they removed all Railjack Content from Nightwave... Then I would be down with that....

On 2021-03-26 at 10:51 PM, Alpheus said:

The Corpus ship defense tile is hands down the worst tile in the game t

Dethroning Earth Defense Tile by a Significant Margin !!!

11 hours ago, Alucard291 said:

 

Is it a circlejerk if its just two dudes touching tips?

😆 LMAO 😆 !!!

10 hours ago, Battle.Mage said:

 

I also think your comparison with eidolons is grossly exaggerated. anyone who seriously plays eidolons for arcanes must be a masochist. I'm much better off trading.

This wasn't Practical before Scarlet Spear.... I mean it was but not for Arcane Energize.... Thing used to cost an Arm and A Leg....

4 hours ago, Alpheus said:

You think they can get any useful info if nobody plays the content to give feedback? You think they rework frames in the weeks after their release by asking the magic conch? If nobody's running the content then how are they going to decide what actions they can take to draw players back to it? If everybody who hated the current iteration of railjack just suddenly stopped playing then how do you expect they'd figure out why everybody left to begin with? Your suggestion is nuclear and benefits nobody.

All Good Points 😮 !!!

20 minutes ago, JackHargreav said:

Leave a feedback and don't play.

It's like basic math.

1 don't play+ 1leave a feedback (in the feedback section)= rework

Pretty easy stuff.

But then Wouldn't people say your Feedback is invalid if you don't play ? 🤔

 

I wonder if DE Weighs that feed back based on Player Metrics 😮 !!!

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48 minutes ago, Lutesque said:

Dethroning Earth Defense Tile by a Significant Margin !!!

I think you mean the 4 pod Uranus tile pal.

So many enemies stuck on walls...-shudders- at least on Earth I can just use a high range Equinox and not worry too much.

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16 minutes ago, Aldain said:

I think you mean the 4 pod Uranus tile pal

That one isn't really all that bad.... Just needed to make sure enemies didn't get stuck in that Room up there.

17 minutes ago, Aldain said:

So many enemies stuck on walls...-shudders- at least on Earth I can just use a high range Equinox and not worry too much.

I think earth has this problem the worst....

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