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9 minutes ago, lukaself said:

breaking the theme of a warframe's powers

Gara can create an infinite amount of glass, given enough Energy. Having her remain armored does not break this theme.

10 minutes ago, lukaself said:

compromising the artistic vision to fit the needs of a few fashionists

You know what was "compromising the artistic vision"? The glass frame removing her glass. Everywhere you look, the official "artistic vision" for Gara seems to be with the glass on, from her original concept art to Kaleida's concept art.

18 minutes ago, lukaself said:

It was perfectly possible to make Gara looks as cool glass-less as she is with her armor

That's your opinion. More objectively speaking, Gara was simply less without her glass on, meaning less options for coolness.

20 minutes ago, lukaself said:

The warframe has been built around that idea of self-sacrifice and personal loss, it's not just something that can be just removed without the character losing part of her identity.

I'm fairly certain that undressing doesn't count as self-sacrifice or personal loss. Gara's theme is glass warrior, no more and no less. Also, what is it that Lotus and Ballas calls Gara? Oh yeah, unbroken. Unbreakable. As reflected in her not losing anything when using her powers.

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2 hours ago, Perfectly_Framed_Waifu said:

Also, what is it that Lotus and Ballas calls Gara? Oh yeah, unbroken. Unbreakable.

Until she broke herself - plus, to my knowledge that "unbroken" comment was only in recent promotional material about Gara Prime but that's beside the point. Let's not bicker endlessly over differences of interpretation, shall we? You have yours, I have mine, both of equal value.

The point is that a toggle would have satisfied everyone, I myself supported making the glass armor an auxiliary like it has been done for other frames before to help my fellow Tennos frustrated they couldn't get their fashion frame exactly right - I know the struggle 😅. No-one asked for the removal of that feature and official communication about it implied that a consensus had been reached when it had been anything but.

Only thing that decision achieved is making a different set of players unhappy. Not cool.

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13 minutes ago, lukaself said:

Until she broke herself - plus, to my knowledge that "unbroken" comment was only in recent promotional material about Gara Prime but that's beside the point. Let's not bicker endlessly over differences of interpretation, shall we? You have yours, I have mine, both of equal value.

Except that Ballas said it after she "broke" herself. Plus, according to the lore, it was Gara Prime who shattered the sentient. With that said,

17 minutes ago, lukaself said:

The point is that a toggle would have satisfied everyone, (...)

Only thing that decision achieved is making a different set of players unhappy. Not cool.

This is the message I wish you would've pushed in your previous comment. This thread has been going on for six pages now, and it's pretty tiring to hear people repeatedly insinuate or straight-out say that they want a revert. That's not going to solve this problem, only put everything back at square one, except worse. A toggle's the only thing that's going to satisfy everyone, and a toggle is something we can all ask for, so it's #*!%ing infuriating to hear people stoke the us-vs-them flame with phrases like 

3 hours ago, lukaself said:

the needs of a few fashionists

Said "fashionists" asked for a damn toggle. Would be swell if the other side, like you in your last comment, would show the same courtesy.

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25 minutes ago, Perfectly_Framed_Waifu said:

Said "fashionists" asked for a damn toggle. Would be swell if the other side, like you in your last comment, would show the same courtesy.

Ah so that's what it was about! I was puzzled by the angry tone. Sorry you took it for you, It was never my intention to imply the contrary, only to state the rationale given by the devs for that decision.  My stance was clear in my first comment but now I realize that discussion was started back in April.... and people on all boards are still pissed it seems 😅

Yeah. No-one asked for what we got. That was the substance of my first comment here back then. That'll probably help you see the extent of my opinion in a better light.

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3 hours ago, lukaself said:

Ah so that's what it was about! I was puzzled by the angry tone. Sorry you took it for you, It was never my intention to imply the contrary, only to state the rationale given by the devs for that decision.  My stance was clear in my first comment but now I realize that discussion was started back in April.... and people on all boards are still pissed it seems 😅

Yeah. No-one asked for what we got. That was the substance of my first comment here back then. That'll probably help you see the extent of my opinion in a better light.

Yeah, it definitely did. Apologies for the tone, I believe this thread has slightly damaged me 😅

And oh yeah, I did see your comment back then! It's some monkey paw buffoonery for sure.

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On 2021-08-01 at 4:31 AM, Perfectly_Framed_Waifu said:

They definitely can, it's just that they can't be bothered. A revert is not a good idea though, as that would just spark the mother of all backlash. No, better to ask for that toggle that was originally requested so DE will hear a unified voice.

I understand what you say but here the point i was trying to make point that is why asked for revert e.g. why ask for a fix for something that is not broken your asking for trouble. with our current situation I say it is broken now as the visual effect has been removed. (therefore it should be reverted to the way it was with the vissual effect).

 

I my self prefer the toggle but only reason they can't do it is because it will cause more problem then atleast revert untill they can find a way to fix it rather then making decision in 1 direction in favour of those who dont want the effect at all. What about the other half who wants this effect its not fair to them my self included.

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28 minutes ago, IIGodFatherII said:

I understand what you say but here the point i was trying to make point that is why asked for revert e.g. why ask for a fix for something that is not broken your asking for trouble. with our current situation I say it is broken now as the visual effect has been removed. (therefore it should be reverted to the way it was with the vissual effect).

It wasn't "broken" before, true, but neither will it be "fixed" if was to get reverted. By the same token, it wasn't "fixed" when the glass change was implemented, neither is it "broken" now. It's simply a matter of one preference over the other.

So I wholeheartedly agree - don't "fix" this because it's not broken. You're only asking for trouble if you do so.

33 minutes ago, IIGodFatherII said:

I my self prefer the toggle but only reason they can't do it is because it will cause more problem then atleast revert untill they can find a way to fix it rather then making decision in 1 direction in favour of those who dont want the effect at all. What about the other half who wants this effect its not fair to them my self included.

By the very same logic:

At least don't revert it because that would be making a decision in 1 direction in favor of those who want the effect. What about the other half who do not want this effect. It's not fair for them, myself included.

In fact, you got some time having it your way. Now please be patient and let us have it our way for a time. In the meantime, push DE to implement that toggle.

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23 hours ago, Perfectly_Framed_Waifu said:

It wasn't "broken" before, true, but neither will it be "fixed" if was to get reverted. By the same token, it wasn't "fixed" when the glass change was implemented, neither is it "broken" now. It's simply a matter of one preference over the other.

So I wholeheartedly agree - don't "fix" this because it's not broken. You're only asking for trouble if you do so.

By the very same logic:

At least don't revert it because that would be making a decision in 1 direction in favor of those who want the effect. What about the other half who do not want this effect. It's not fair for them, myself included.

In fact, you got some time having it your way. Now please be patient and let us have it our way for a time. In the meantime, push DE to implement that toggle.

very well i just hope this damm button gets added really soon.

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This was a bad change. The function should be restored.

If you think she looks better with the glass armor all the time - make it a toggle. That way everyone wins.

The Virago helmet looked absolutely badass with the glass gone. It was shiny and intimidating. Now it just looks like dull plastic all the time.

 

This isn't just an appearance issue. Her 2 is a crucial buff and the armor going away was a good visual indicator of whether or not it's active.

Please restore the function and make this a toggle.

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A bit off-topic, but I honestly feel the same way about so many abilities in Warframe - why isn't this a toggle? Buff maintenance makes sense for legacy MMOs, but Warframe is a tad too fast-paced for that. Clicking an ability every 20/40/60/whatever seconds is not compelling gameplay. It's a dead man's switch. Would much of substance be lost by turning those into toggles?

Long story short - I'd be fine with Gara's Shatter Armour becoming a toggle.

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Absolutely!

It was a cool part of the lore, too, it was immersive and interesting to have the glass go away!

 

Gara main here.

This really does need to be a toggle.

 

On 2021-05-07 at 9:20 PM, [DE]Momaw said:

You have requested...to have a UI toggle

Given how persistent and unified this feedback is, we've decided [not to do that]



Please implement a toggle.

 

I miss being able to play a sleek, slim Gara.

She's so bulky and jagged now...

 

I hope we get some real fantastic news for Gara players.

'Cause man, that wasn't it :(

 

Hey DE, given all the changes that have been made in the 31.6 update that could introduce new bugs - the logic of 'won't fix, could cause bugs' doesn't really hold up.

Could we get some progress here please?

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En 15/5/2022 a las 16:40, (XBOX)Deqino dijo:

Yeah, I miss how her deluxe looked like without the glass. It really needs to be reintroduced as a toggle.

I feel the same, it was really neat 😢

hace 3 horas, mycroft_ dijo:

given all the changes that have been made in the 31.6 update that could introduce new bugs - the logic of 'won't fix, could cause bugs' doesn't really hold up.

The existance of Xaku, Nidus and other warframes with similar armor-splitting/appearance changing mechanics (be it a toogle or not) already invalidates that "may cause bugs" excuse...

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On 2022-06-09 at 5:08 PM, Crowesk said:

I feel the same, it was really neat 😢

You're right, it was.

On 2021-05-09 at 9:08 PM, Tesseract7777 said:

they should have made it a toggle. They still can. IMO they still should, and I don't even use Gara yet, but imo this is an easy choice. Don't make a cop out about potential bugs, just give people a toggle even if it takes longer to do. That's what the community was asking for. 

Not to take away what others enjoy. 

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I'm still hopeful this will change. Maybe after Tennocon...



edit: Nevermind, it has been made clear to me that they intend to suppress discussion about this issue and hope we forget about it, rather than making it right.

This is not a good way to handle issues.

I'm disappointed - but not altogether surprised - by this outcome.

It does not bode well for the future of Warframe.

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