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It is so hard to farm normal Ash after the update 29.10


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It takes more than 20 minutes to get a 10% chance of getting each part, even the luckiest player needs at least an hour to get this warframe, although those defense missions are not difficult, they are time-consuming! I think it is unfair for those new players who haven't got this warframe. I hope you can make this warframe easier to obtain, both in terms of acquisition methods and drop chance.

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They need to fix the defense missions in railjack just in general. IMO there are a lot of more interesting ways for us to defend something.

Also, on the Trello board they mentioned that they recognize the issues that railjack defense has. Hopefully that means they're planning on fixing it.

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That defense mission is close to if not the worst defense tile map in the game (earth is a close competitor).

But even with how terrible that map is, it just feels terrible to to sit in a regular star chart mission for endless when you are supposedly in a railjack mission.  Why couldn't they come up with a wave based survival of enemy fighters? or a defense similar to the AW defense missions? or any other endless mission type for railjack that maybe, you know, actually invovles a railjack?

 

And moving Ash and Oberon, as was rightly noted by another player in another thread, to railjack content is just a terrible decision for new players - players who actually could use those frames.

 

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vor 13 Stunden schrieb (XBOX)Tucker D Dawg:

But even with how terrible that map is, it just feels terrible to to sit in a regular star chart mission for endless when you are supposedly in a railjack mission.  Why couldn't they come up with a wave based survival of enemy fighters? or a defense similar to the AW defense missions? or any other endless mission type for railjack that maybe, you know, actually invovles a railjack?

That would be great but... It also requires some kind of mechanic for active gameplay. May aimbots usually kill fighters so fast, meanwhile I'm glad if I get 3 kills on my own. Which means I could just sit next to the defense object, take a walk while the aimbots shred through every wave (and heal bot maintains the ship). Some AW mobile defense would probably be the easiest solution (at least I have to play taxi for the aimbot murder crew). 

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vor 16 Stunden schrieb (XBOX)Tucker D Dawg:

That defense mission is close to if not the worst defense tile map in the game (earth is a close competitor).

Earth is the worst.

Corpus ship map is just to big. Earth is to big and has the problem that enemies can spawn in the room under the crypod. These enemies normally never leave this place, especially if there is a high vertical range ability involved (Vauban says hi).

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2 hours ago, (XBOX)Tucker D Dawg said:

shhh - we don't talk about how much better hired guns are than random matchmaking players.

Hilariously i was very frustratrd when i got paired with a group of random high MR players who appeared to have no idea ehat they were doing.

From abandoning objectives to not clearing on foot sections at all. Eventually had a failed mission come up when they had zero zip in their step when an engineer popped during a volatile mission. Reallu really frustrating to see MR 26+ players play like it is their first time with the game.

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vor 20 Minuten schrieb Leqesai:

Hilariously i was very frustratrd when i got paired with a group of random high MR players who appeared to have no idea ehat they were doing.

From abandoning objectives to not clearing on foot sections at all. Eventually had a failed mission come up when they had zero zip in their step when an engineer popped during a volatile mission. Reallu really frustrating to see MR 26+ players play like it is their first time with the game.

Well... When I learned something (especially during scarlet spear) then that MR means nothing. 🤣 But I have to say if you install Pulsars on the site and use the (mostly dumb but in this scenario pretty useful) gunnery 10 perk you can easily aimbot yourself. But yeah, you got probably paired with grandmasters of Hydron and Eso who struggle when they face some brief mechanics. 

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3 minutes ago, (XBOX)Helverin said:

Well... When I learned something (especially during scarlet spear) then that MR means nothing. 🤣 But I have to say if you install Pulsars on the site and use the (mostly dumb but in this scenario pretty useful) gunnery 10 perk you can easily aimbot yourself. But yeah, you got probably paired with grandmasters of Hydron and Eso who struggle when they face some brief mechanics. 

Lol...

Grandmasters of Hydron and ESO. I think you may be right. 
I've not played with such incompetent players in a long time. TBH it was the first failed railjack mission I've had in... well... as long as I can remember... since first gearing my Railjack with the original release over a year/two ago. 

Guy actually said, "Hey are you going to revive me or what?" when he was bleeding out and the engineer was sabotaging the mission and there was only 10s remaining on the timer.... lol.. 

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vor 28 Minuten schrieb Leqesai:

Guy actually said, "Hey are you going to revive me or what?" when he was bleeding out and the engineer was sabotaging the mission and there was only 10s remaining on the timer.... lol.. 

Of course! You should have revived the dude and face mission failure altogether and alive! 😂 The even more fascinating fact is, that such a high MR died to a lvl.. what? 50 Corpus? Most impressive. Especially when I consider the many voices in the forums claiming the game is to easy. 

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On 2021-04-19 at 2:32 PM, Luling60 said:

It takes more than 20 minutes to get a 10% chance of getting each part, even the luckiest player needs at least an hour to get this warframe, although those defense missions are not difficult, they are time-consuming! I think it is unfair for those new players who haven't got this warframe. I hope you can make this warframe easier to obtain, both in terms of acquisition methods and drop chance.

10% chance after 20 mins of gameplay or rotation c is actually not bad. Just enjoy the game when you feel like it and want to farm it at the same time. There are many frame parts that are like this and many other items are much harder to farm. I recommend to always farm most items with friends or in public squads to share the work.

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11 hours ago, George_PPS said:

10% chance after 20 mins of gameplay or rotation c is actually not bad. Just enjoy the game when you feel like it and want to farm it at the same time. There are many frame parts that are like this and many other items are much harder to farm. I recommend to always farm most items with friends or in public squads to share the work.

Well, if I only get 100 endo as the reward after I clear 5 waves, I may not be motivated lol. 

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I regret dumping my regular Ash frame a couple years back; not that I was to know there'd be a need for it, but...well, now I regret it. I'll farm from manics, though. I need to get another Harrow going so maybe I can two-for-one it. 

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On 2021-04-21 at 11:28 AM, Ham_Grenabe said:

I regret dumping my regular Ash frame a couple years back; not that I was to know there'd be a need for it, but...well, now I regret it. I'll farm from manics, though. I need to get another Harrow going so maybe I can two-for-one it. 

Too bad. It doesnt drop from manics anymore. 

Ash is now the absolute hardest to obtain warframe in my perspective, if you consider all the rewards and mission novelty of other grinds. 

Its more than 30 minutes (if you arent optimized with a nuker and a speedva)  to get to rotation C for a measly 10 drop chance. Now do that for every single part. For an 8 year old frame. 

Harrows hardest part is from defection and has a higher drop chance AND the mission is faster AND its more fun and novel to play. The spy missions on pago at least drop mods too, and Harrows chassis is free. 

Getting ash now in an optimized group is basically like getting 3 harrow systems.

And sure, mechanically the barrier to entry isnt as high as some frames like Hildryn. But at least grinding toward hildryn also gives weapons, cosmetics, arcanes, amps, and credits. 

Now I dont want to attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity, but anyone that spends time in the recruiting/q&a channel would know that Ash is VERY popular among new players.  I hope they didnt do this thinking more new players would spend plat for ash. I mean they moved Oberon to railjack, that had to just be stupidity. 

 

tl;dr DE has no respect for their players time and instinctively made a very old frame very hard to obtain 

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On 2021-04-20 at 7:19 PM, Zeddypanda said:

Manics still drop him. At least I got Ash systems playing defection today.

Interesting, as DE's update notes say

We’ve permanently removed Ash Blueprints from Manic drop tables. We did this to connect Railjack to some more ‘core Warframe’ style rewards, and make their acquisition more straightforward for matchmaking purposes.

The wiki says that Ash no longer drops from manics and they take the data from DE's drop tables.

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1 hour ago, gbjbaanb said:

Interesting, as DE's update notes say

 

Yeah, it's weird. I don't really get how a supposedly automated drop table doesn't display a thing that most definitely dropped for me. I'm not the first to notice it either, but any instances I've seen have been specifically Ash Systems in specifically Defection.

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Honestly, the whole drop table for Void Storms is awful. I've been trying to be a better person and not dev-bash since my last rage-quit, but Void Storms are giving me the exact same "Why am I wasting my time with this?" feeling that all of Deimos did. It seems like every update has to ship with some kind of unpleasant grind that makes me not want to bother. It's not even Ash for me - it's Sevagoth. He's basically a much, much worse version of a regular Warframe. I can earn Frost from beating Vor and Krill a bunch of times and that's excessively tedious... But at least with that I have a guaranteed Frost component drop, with a 30-ish% drop chance. I run Void Fissures for Sevagoth and I stand a solid chance of getting jack S#&$. These are not short missions, the high-level versions aren't easy (especially Skrimish with level 100 space Grineer) and they have only a scant few game modes. This is the Granum Void all over again.

When did we transition from getting a part on every run to getting a chance at a part per run? And why did this retroactively apply to older Warframes? What the hell? Maybe I'm just burning out on Warframe altogether, but I really can't with this grind any more.

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3 minutes ago, Steel_Rook said:

When did we transition from getting a part on every run to getting a chance at a part per run? And why did this retroactively apply to older Warframes? What the hell? Maybe I'm just burning out on Warframe altogether, but I really can't with this grind any more.

This is how I generally feel too.

The reason why Warframe's RNG feels so bad is not because it takes a long time to get things, but because the vast majority of your runs get you exactly zero progress towards your goal. I would much prefer it if the devs decided on a number of needed runs to get a certain item, and then show a progress bar as you complete all those runs one at a time. 

Not to mention, these one-and-done rewards (as done currently) dilute the droptable, thereby reducing the chance of any of these game-modes having actual longevity. It's almost like somebody at DE just loves content islands.

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15 hours ago, Ham_Grenabe said:

Now I have to decide if it's worth 20 bucks to avoid Railjack's drop tables

No.

Never.

Do not give in to their abusive practices. Buy something you want, but never reward them for this. Spend that $20 on a game that you will enjoy and that will not demand you pay them in return for not hurting you.

 

(FWIW though, I fopund Sevagoth to be quite easy to pick up, just run a void storm in the Grineer veil, no need to even crack the relic, or go near the Corpus ground missions. Plenty of good squads are playing there anyway, so join in and it'll drop quite easily. As for Ash, I farmed him quite quickly too, but I don't mind Defence missions compared to some others, I was probably lucky to get him relatively easily though)

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On 2021-04-19 at 6:12 PM, _Tormex_ said:

They need to fix the defense missions in railjack just in general. IMO there are a lot of more interesting ways for us to defend something.

Also, on the Trello board they mentioned that they recognize the issues that railjack defense has. Hopefully that means they're planning on fixing it.

I'd be all for adding a new kind of Defense mode to Railjack... but this problem extends to Star Chart as well.

I think they need to add some more variety of Defense maps to Corpus Ship. The current one is good for Interception... it is HORRENDOUS for Defense. It has got to be the worst Defense map in the game.  There is little you can do with strategy or Warframes to really speed it up and in Star Chart, the Treasurer spawns and spawns far away from the Defense objective. It's the biggest time-wasting Defense map in the game... as if it wasn't already an agonizing and boring game mode to begin with! It's so bad, it seems anyone who fires up a Defense Arbitration and experiences Corpus Ship Defense seems to extract in 1-2 rounds max (it's too slow!).

If they can design more variants of Corpus Ship Defense, I think they should seriously consider removing the current map from Defense altogether. It's very player-unfriendly.

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5 hours ago, nslay said:

The current one is good for Interception...

I think that the old tileset was significantly better for both tho

 

5 hours ago, nslay said:

Corpus Ship Defense seems to extract in 1-2 rounds max (it's too slow!).

Yeah its painfully slow

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it is a piece of sh1t,aabc only c can get 10%retes,disgusting,sucker de.

really should let the design use a week even a month to get ash from this sh1t mission

Does they really played their game?no,they never played their game.So they never know the change is right or wrong.

And our discussions will never be seen by de design, because they just see what they want to see,What a disgusting people

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Holy hell this farm needs to be nuked from orbit. THIRTEEN HOURS for only a 50% chance of getting all 3 parts. Nearly FIFTY-FIVE VOID-DAMNED HOURS if you're packing that 1/1000 RNG.

Source (Timestamp 11:08):

Spoiler

 

Even if by some miracle you're clearing these missions TWICE as fast as this man, that's still entirely too long. And good luck with it, because that defense node is by far the worst one in the entire game, and should've never made it in as-is. I'd take earth any day over it.

Mind you, I have Ash fed to the Helminth, and Ash Prime ready to go. I never need to run this farm. But this farm is insane and if things keep trending like this, y'all gonna kill this game. How am I, atop the MOUNTAIN of grind that is MR30, supposed to explain to new players, "yeah go spend FIFTY GODDAMN HOURS farming Ash, you'll be fine."

Please, for the endless abyss of unread bug reports, suggestions, and feedback that's buried in this forum: fix this.

 

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