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For starters, I'm not an overly active Trade Chat participant, but I've browsed more than enough to know a scam when I see one. Sure platinum is one of the most sought after items on Warframe, but it's not worth selling your prime parts for 1-3 platinum per piece. 

Honestly, all "Uncommon" and "Rare" pieces have a higher value as Ducats than 1-3 platinum (with the "Common" value pieces I think its dealers choice.) Baro Ts items cant be bought from the market w/ platinum, so players are forced to disassemble their prime parts in exchange for ducats. And I've seen people sell an item from Baros Bazaar (costs 100,000 credits and 100 ducats) for up to 50 platinum, that's a 49 platinum come up for them, because you just wanted to get rid of stuff. So really, don't sell your "Rare" relic drops for anything shy of at LEAST 5-10 platinum. 

I get that it's your choice, and that "you can do whatever you want", and in most cases I wouldn't even bother. But drastically underselling prime parts is a big part of the reason the Warframe Trade is a joke. And makes it harder for those of us who actually want something in return for our efforts. 

In conclusion, if you want to sell your excess prime parts, either: wait till 3-4 days before Baro visits. People will pay more knowing they're about to need Ducats. Wait till the Vault rotation changes and they become in higher demand again. (There's always new people joining too) Or just wait till you have the entire set. If you lack the patience to get the items by playing the game, or just really want platinum that badly, then you're kind of missing the point of this game. 

 

Someone tell me I'm wrong.

 

 

 

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Yes, when someone says "wtb 100 ducat parts for 5p ea" they're hoping they get someone new or inexperienced to give them rare parts for 5p. 

If someone has like 25 zhuge prime barrels thats great, but that's not everyone. 

I've still never sold prime parts for plat, because it's silly when I can sell a full set for 40 to 100p. 

I sold an Ash Prime system for 60p, now imagine if I didn't know any better and sold it for 5.....

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I'm with the OP. There is no such thing as prime 'junk'. If you're new you'll need all the pieces you can get to make the actual set and if you have spares you'll need it for the ducats to buy the stuff from Baro. There is NO junk. The only ones using the term prime 'junk' are those that want to take advantage of casual or new player.

Now if you're desperate for plat then at least you should get a fair price for it. A couple of plat a piece, no matter common or not, isn't a fair price and you all know it. Besides, if you have the plat to buy prime parts from other players you should have enough plat to pay decent prices instead of stiffing everyone because you're stingy.

I'll go even a step further, if you are an active buyer of prime 'junk' at 1 or 2p a piece then you are part of the problem. PERIOD.

As proof I put to you that those prime 'junk' buyers will be the first to 'complain' about someone asking 5p for an Ignis Wraith which Baro sells for 250K creds and 550 Ducats. Now how many of those WTB prime 'junk' will have ever bought a stock pile of Baro weapons and give them away in exchange for an 'ammo drum mod' (= for free) ? HELLO, prime junk/2p buyers that are self proclaiming not scamming players, care to answer that one?

Why is it wrong for someone selling a clan specific BP (which that clan had to put the effort for in) for 5p but it isn't for you asking 60p for a Baro only weapon even if lots of those weapons are MR fodder where as the Ignis Wraith is the most popular primary weapon and the most used weapon by high MR's? I'm not saying that selling a Baro only weapon for 60p, or whatever the going rate is for a particular weapon on your platform, is a bad thing but care to explain the lack of logic in your thinking? Ever heard about supply and demand? Or what about what's good for the goose is good for the gander?

As a side note :

As a seller one sets the price. When you enter a store as a customer you don't dictate the price but in trade I see too many entitled people thinking that as buyer they can set the price. The lack of economical sense is frightening. You can haggle but in the end the seller has the goods you want and it's his choice if he wants to adjust his price or not. The most comical are those that go full Karen : "it's not worth that because no one wants it" being said by the person that put a WTB up for the item just a minute ago because he saw a youtube raving about it or because there's lots of people in trade asking for it.

In other words, too all that don't know better: Ignore WTB's that under price the items that they want to buy, be it ayatans, prime parts, syndicate weapons, legendary cores or any mods. See someone WTB legendary core for 40p and when you tell them that price is way too low and he tells you he knows but he already bought half a dozen of them, put him on ignore because you know that soon he'll be trying to sell them for 6x his buying price. Prime parts 2p ? Ignore. Syndicate weapons/mods 2p? ignore. Rare mods (with a drop rate of less then 1%) 5p, ignore. Anasa ayatan filled 2p? ignore. Vaulted frame 30p? Ignore. Don't worry about it. They would never give you a fair price no matter if you were buying or selling.

The only reason they still exist is because too many times there are people that fall for their predatory practices. It's the same reason that 419 scams are still a thing in RL namely too many times some one falls for it.

By the way, I never bought the prime chamber mod from Baro  not because it was too rich for my blood but frankly the usage is so very limited and only comes to it's own in a sniper rifle that I frankly didn't find it worth the bother. In other words, it's about as much use in everyday play to 99.9% of players as is 'peculiar bloom'.

 

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3 minutes ago, (PSN)kite9000 said:

Now if you're desperate for plat then at least you should get a fair price for it. A couple of plat a piece, no matter common or not, isn't a fair price and you all know it. Besides, if you have the plat to buy prime parts from other players you should have enough plat to pay decent prices instead of stiffing everyone because you're stingy.

I'll go even a step further, if you are an active buyer of prime 'junk' at 1 or 2p a piece then you are part of the problem. PERIOD.

Imagine DE introduces an auction house like so many people want to. Nothing will be worth more than 5 to 10plat because everyone wants to sell stuff and if you aren't top 3 in the list you probably won't get picked.

Like said so many times. Free marketDemand and Supply. New stuff - high price. lots of copies - no value

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58 minutes ago, (PSN)kite9000 said:

I'm with the OP. There is no such thing as prime 'junk'. If you're new you'll need all the pieces you can get to make the actual set and if you have spares you'll need it for the ducats to buy the stuff from Baro. There is NO junk. The only ones using the term prime 'junk' are those that want to take advantage of casual or new player.

Now if you're desperate for plat then at least you should get a fair price for it. A couple of plat a piece, no matter common or not, isn't a fair price and you all know it. Besides, if you have the plat to buy prime parts from other players you should have enough plat to pay decent prices instead of stiffing everyone because you're stingy.

I'll go even a step further, if you are an active buyer of prime 'junk' at 1 or 2p a piece then you are part of the problem. PERIOD.

As proof I put to you that those prime 'junk' buyers will be the first to 'complain' about someone asking 5p for an Ignis Wraith which Baro sells for 250K creds and 550 Ducats. Now how many of those WTB prime 'junk' will have ever bought a stock pile of Baro weapons and give them away in exchange for an 'ammo drum mod' (= for free) ? HELLO, prime junk/2p buyers that are self proclaiming not scamming players, care to answer that one?

Why is it wrong for someone selling a clan specific BP (which that clan had to put the effort for in) for 5p but it isn't for you asking 60p for a Baro only weapon even if lots of those weapons are MR fodder where as the Ignis Wraith is the most popular primary weapon and the most used weapon by high MR's? I'm not saying that selling a Baro only weapon for 60p, or whatever the going rate is for a particular weapon on your platform, is a bad thing but care to explain the lack of logic in your thinking? Ever heard about supply and demand? Or what about what's good for the goose is good for the gander?

As a side note :

As a seller one sets the price. When you enter a store as a customer you don't dictate the price but in trade I see too many entitled people thinking that as buyer they can set the price. The lack of economical sense is frightening. You can haggle but in the end the seller has the goods you want and it's his choice if he wants to adjust his price or not. The most comical are those that go full Karen : "it's not worth that because no one wants it" being said by the person that put a WTB up for the item just a minute ago because he saw a youtube raving about it or because there's lots of people in trade asking for it.

In other words, too all that don't know better: Ignore WTB's that under price the items that they want to buy, be it ayatans, prime parts, syndicate weapons, legendary cores or any mods. See someone WTB legendary core for 40p and when you tell them that price is way too low and he tells you he knows but he already bought half a dozen of them, put him on ignore because you know that soon he'll be trying to sell them for 6x his buying price. Prime parts 2p ? Ignore. Syndicate weapons/mods 2p? ignore. Rare mods (with a drop rate of less then 1%) 5p, ignore. Anasa ayatan filled 2p? ignore. Vaulted frame 30p? Ignore. Don't worry about it. They would never give you a fair price no matter if you were buying or selling.

The only reason they still exist is because too many times there are people that fall for their predatory practices. It's the same reason that 419 scams are still a thing in RL namely too many times some one falls for it.

By the way, I never bought the prime chamber mod from Baro  not because it was too rich for my blood but frankly the usage is so very limited and only comes to it's own in a sniper rifle that I frankly didn't find it worth the bother. In other words, it's about as much use in everyday play to 99.9% of players as is 'peculiar bloom'.

 

I was waiting for you to show up. Nice to know I'm not the only one looking out for the little guy. 

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2 hours ago, Leqesai said:

I'm not sure "scam" means the same thing to you as it does to me.

Warframe's trade economy is completely based on supply+demand. If players are willing to fork over high prices for this stuff then that's their problem. It doesn't mean they have been scammed.

 

Just because you can connect your ideas logically does not mean anyone has done anything wrong or there is a problem with the system. The devs have said multiple times that they do not want to develop a dedicated trade system within Warframe and that they're content with the current system; one that has both high price low value items and low price high value items. 

Yeah, scam was the wrong word. But if every newish player only sees "WTB prime junk for 1p each"... Because somebody who has experience wants to play off of their inexperience. Either way it's messed up. But I have a feeling you're no stranger to this method, so I appreciate your input.

Id like to note that this isnt a complaint letter to DE, and no one said THEY needed to change anything. But yeah bro, in regards to your last sentence, show me one time Loki Prime anything sold for under 10p.....yeah.

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Don't buy/sell for 1p then. I don't get what this is about. If someone else undercuts your 20p Lex Prime set by selling the parts for 1p each it's tough luck. Don't get me wrong, it irks me too every now and then, but free market blablabla. It's not going to change either. There you go.

Would I do it? No. Would I recommend it? No, but if you're desperate or impatient you wont listen anyways. Can others who are more desperate for plat than me or value their own efforts and time less than me do it? Yes.

The topic seems kinda insignificant to me aside from potentially letting a few people who stumble over this thread and aren't aware know that it's generally considered a "bad" sell.

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24 minutes ago, GnarlsDarkley said:

Imagine DE introduces an auction house like so many people want to. Nothing will be worth more than 5 to 10plat because everyone wants to sell stuff and if you aren't top 3 in the list you probably won't get picked.

Like said so many times. Free marketDemand and Supply. New stuff - high price. lots of copies - no value

Lots of copies doesn't automatically mean no value.  In fact lots of copies and lots of demand = value.

Nor does new stuff = high price. If something is *meh* than no matter how new it is the price will be low. E;g. Kuva Seer never was as demanded as the Bramma and there for never worth as much. Sure sounds as if you don't actually understand supply and demand.

What is your reasoning to think that a highly demanded long time vaulted warframe would be the same price as a warframe that is looked down upon? Why would you think that a rare part worth 100 ducats that comes from an Axi wouldn't be worth more then a common piece from a Lith? Prices are set by what the market will bear in combination with supply and demand. If a seller overprices his wares he won't make sales and adjust his prices. If a buyer however doesn't want to pay the going rate then he can either try to brow beat a newbie to agree to his price  or he can adjust his willingness to pay the going rate.

The only way everything would be only worth 5 or 10p is if all buyers agreed never to pay more then that no matter what it was they were trying to buy. If you believe that could happen than you don't understand basic market economics nor human nature.

Want further proof? Look at warframe market dot com and check the price for a so called junk piece and look at the average price wanted. How often do you see 'junk' sold their for 1 or 2p ? Even Lex prime barrel (introduced back in 2014) sells on there for a higher average price on PC let alone other platforms.

Those that were willing to pay 6 figures worth of plat for a mod did it without anyone forcing them to but because of low supply and some with more plat then sense wanting it and willing to pay the asked for price.

In other words, even if DE would introduce an auction house as you put it then the prices would wobble a bit but you would see that unless DE sets min.-max. amounts for every item themselves that the prices would adjust to the levels they are at the moment.

By the by, to all the prime 'junk 2p' buyers : it's not because you don't have time or don't want to make time to run relics that you are entitled to the time and effort of other people. If you want other people to do your work then the least you can do is pay them fairly for their bother. No, you aren't doing them a favour by buying their 'junk' for a pittance, You are exploiting their gullibility in believing you. Buying something to flip it with a mark up is one thing, and what makes the world go around, but that shouldn't equate to taking advantage.

Do to others as you would like them do to you. Don't be the toxic one in TC.

 

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What you expect exactly OP? 

I am one of those that actually sells to those guys for various reason. 

1)They accept every piece, the important is ducats value and not plat values. So unless you are completely dumb and sell pieces with an high plat values, you can actually get to sell unwanted primes.

Or you really want to tell me that you expect me to actually go out and like, find 50 people to sell a Braton/Burston/Paris prime set?

Ofc I don't sell a wyrm prime for 10 plays total. I watch the price for every piece I am selling those guys. 

 

2) Its time efficient. You get to sell a lot of trash no one would ever want to buy in stocks, letting you make easy and fast plat (done like 1k plat this weekend). Without wasting a single trade to sell a braton set. 

3) it's trade efficient and money efficient. Because again, even if the price is sold for like 3 plat and you sell it for 2. I was able for example to sell 30 piece of the same thing to a single person, letting me get fast plat without wasting ton of trades and time on low value pieces. 

 

4) You are not obligated to trade them of course, but you can't call it a scam. It's pretty obvious what you are going through. And being on this game for some years now, I know I will never have the patience to sell super low cost crap, like ever. 

And those people help me do it fast and I also get play out of it I would not get otherwise. 

 

5)Not everyone need ton of ducats, I buy only few things especially cosmetics, so I don't really need to hoard myself lot of ducats. 

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^ spot on. If people think I'm going to check through every part they give me as "junk to them" and say "oh hold up, that one's worth more I need to pay you extra, they're sadly mistaken. And there's no way that's scamming, hell most of the time I get given 5 paris parts that are likely worth LESS than 10p...

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8 minutes ago, Bregastor said:

What you expect exactly OP? 

I am one of those that actually sells to those guys for various reason. 

1)They accept every piece, the important is ducats value and not plat values. So unless you are completely dumb and sell pieces with an high plat values, you can actually get to sell unwanted primes.

Or you really want to tell me that you expect me to actually go out and like, find 50 people to sell a Braton/Burston/Paris prime set?

Ofc I don't sell a wyrm prime for 10 plays total. I watch the price for every piece I am selling those guys. 

 

2) Its time efficient. You get to sell a lot of trash no one would ever want to buy in stocks, letting you make easy and fast plat (done like 1k plat this weekend). Without wasting a single trade to sell a braton set. 

3) it's trade efficient and money efficient. Because again, even if the price is sold for like 3 plat and you sell it for 2. I was able for example to sell 30 piece of the same thing to a single person, letting me get fast plat without wasting ton of trades and time on low value pieces. 

 

4) You are not obligated to trade them of course, but you can't call it a scam. It's pretty obvious what you are going through. And being on this game for some years now, I know I will never have the patience to sell super low cost crap, like ever. 

And those people help me do it fast and I also get play out of it I would not get otherwise. 

 

5)Not everyone need ton of ducats, I buy only few things especially cosmetics, so I don't really need to hoard myself lot of ducats. 

I think using the word scam triggered everyone who has advertised really low buys. And scam was the incorrect word, thats my bad. It seems that everyone has been under the impression that I'm just pissy because I have no platinum. When in reality I sell loads of duplicate prime parts to those people, loads. (Except the ones who "no golds?") Because at the end of the day, I'm going with the system, slow platinum is better than none. And just because it irks me, it makes me want to give a shout out to the unknowledgeable player (or what you consider "completely dumb") who stands a high chance of making some early mistakes. 

Now that we've cleared the air of confusion, I still think 1 or 2p is just pitiful. Again, I do plenty of full trades of em, but that doesnt change the fact that is in fact ridiculously bull.

 

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4 hours ago, Leqesai said:

Warframe's trade economy is completely based on supply+demand. If players are willing to fork over high prices for this stuff then that's their problem. It doesn't mean they have been scammed.

In most cases yes but I’ve seen people selling ignis wrath for a good amount of plat when you can get it from a clan or baro

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14 minutes ago, (XBOX)UnknownSniper37 said:

In most cases yes but I’ve seen people selling ignis wrath for a good amount of plat when you can get it from a clan or baro

That's not exactly the same thing as what the TC described with prime junk. I would argue what you're talking about is actually closer to a scam. 

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15 minutes ago, (XBOX)UnknownSniper37 said:

In most cases yes but I’ve seen people selling ignis wrath for a good amount of plat when you can get it from a clan or baro

Selling Ignis wraith for plat is a scam and DE should just add it to all dojos to remove that scam from the game.

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Prices the market will bear. When I find someone paying too much for something I'm selling I direct them to warframe market and get them to look up the typical pricing.

I will happily sell silver bits for 4 and gold for 6, I have them by the ton and they do nothing but take up space in my inventory, and its better than waiting ages for a buyer offering the right price to come along.

 

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1 hour ago, (PSN)kite9000 said:

Why would you think that a rare part worth 100 ducats that comes from an Axi wouldn't be worth more then a common piece from a Lith?

Logic. If there are 10 million Atlas Prime helmets and just 5 Akbolto Prime BPs, the 15 ducat Lith part will sell higher than the helmet

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40 minutes ago, (PSN)Brandito9215 said:

Now that we've cleared the air of confusion, I still think 1 or 2p is just pitiful. Again, I do plenty of full trades of em, but that doesnt change the fact that is in fact ridiculously bull.

I disagree, I have thousands of relics, more than I will ever use. If I do a random mission I drop a Radiant these days just because I have so many and don't care. During my farm of Sevagoth the parts I got from the relics cracked totalled over 2500 ducats. It's obscenely easy and fast to crack relics and get junk, they're not worth more than 2p each. 

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37 minutes ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:

Selling Ignis wraith for plat is a scam and DE should just add it to all dojos to remove that scam from the game.

yea I have no idea why they have such an issue with the idea of adding it to dojos that don't have it. The winning clans for that event have had their time with it. Just give it to the rest of us already and make it not tradeable. 

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2 hours ago, (PSN)Deeceem said:

Don't buy/sell for 1p then. I don't get what this is about. If someone else undercuts your 20p Lex Prime set by selling the parts for 1p each it's tough luck. Don't get me wrong, it irks me too every now and then, but free market blablabla. It's not going to change either. There you go.

Would I do it? No. Can others who are more desperate for plat than me or value their own efforts and time less than me do it? Yes.

The topic seems kinda insignificant to me aside from potentially letting a few people who stumble over this thread and aren't aware know that it's generally considered a "bad" sell.

It sounds like you do get what this thread is about... And yeah I can see how it would seem insignificant to anyone who's been playing for a while. And I would hope that anyone who's been playing a while has kinda put 2 and 2 together. 

Let's not forget about the newcomers, ok?

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17 minutes ago, GnarlsDarkley said:

Logic. If there are 10 million Atlas Prime helmets and just 5 Akbolto Prime BPs, the 15 ducat Lith part will sell higher than the helmet

Why would you think that a rare part worth 100 ducats that comes from an Axi wouldn't be worth more then a common piece from a Lith? Was my question and that's your answer? Care to actual address the point I was making instead of reversing it?

In what universe would a rare Axi drop be 10 million times available where as a common Lith drop would only be 15 times? In what universe are there way more Axi's then Lith relics?

If the only way to talk yourself out of a corner is a straw man argument then there's no hope for you.

 

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1 minute ago, (PSN)kite9000 said:

In what universe would a rare Axi drop be 10 million times available where as a common Lith drop would only be 15 times? In what universe are there way more Axi's then Lith relics?

If the only way to talk yourself out of a corner is a straw man argument then there's no hope for you.

There was this one prime thing a couple of years ago, I sadly cannot remember anymore...oh I wish I did..., there was this 15 ducat item going for 90p for weeks and its rare counterpart for 12p.

But I see we have a different understanding of the situation and I'm not here to be insulted, so I wish you happy day :)

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15 minutes ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:

I disagree, I have thousands of relics, more than I will ever use. If I do a random mission I drop a Radiant these days just because I have so many and don't care. During my farm of Sevagoth the parts I got from the relics cracked totalled over 2500 ducats. It's obscenely easy and fast to crack relics and get junk, they're not worth more than 2p each. 

So if you have all those ducats then why are you buying prime 'junk' parts?

1/ Either you need ducats or you don't.

2/ Either you want the prime parts to sell on or you don't.

3/ The only thing left is that you do it out of kindness to help out the less fortunate in which case why are you stiffing them out of a fair value?

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56 minutes ago, (PSN)Brandito9215 said:

I think using the word scam triggered everyone who has advertised really low buys. And scam was the incorrect word, thats my bad. It seems that everyone has been under the impression that I'm just pissy because I have no platinum. When in reality I sell loads of duplicate prime parts to those people, loads. (Except the ones who "no golds?") Because at the end of the day, I'm going with the system, slow platinum is better than none. And just because it irks me, it makes me want to give a shout out to the unknowledgeable player (or what you consider "completely dumb") who stands a high chance of making some early mistakes. 

Now that we've cleared the air of confusion, I still think 1 or 2p is just pitiful. Again, I do plenty of full trades of em, but that doesnt change the fact that is in fact ridiculously bull.

 

So everyone that actually replies not aggreeing with you is triggered now? Okay I guess. 

Also, when you say things words have a meaning, so if you say "scam" without actually meaning it you can't blame people for not being able to read your mind. 

Also being new does not equate being dumb. If you sell 20 parts without actually checking their price before selling it for 1/3/9 plat or whatever, I am sorry but you are dumb. It's not something that requires game experience, but common sense. 

You can't put up a case cause some people without commons sense are going to sell 100 plat worth of prime for 10 plat. 

Being informed is part of requirments for trading, you can't blame other if someone is ignorant about a subject. 

When I started the game and I tried to sell a piece worth 50 plat, a person whispered me offering 10. I refused saying Warframe Market prices was floating around 50. That person tried to sell me the idea of not trusting that site prices and that those price were not reflective of the reality. 

I blocked the person and moved on with my life. But if I was dumb enough to believe that guys, the blame would have been all on me to be honest. 

So people that are new to the game should inform themselves before getting into things they know little or nothing about. 

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