Traumtulpe Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 So I build Lavos, and guess what? His Vial Rush disables sprinting every time you cast it. I am not even surprised, just as you introduce more bugs than you fix with every update, you also unerringly introduce new ways to turn off the players sprint toggle. Luckily, there is a simple solution to solve this forever. It's a bandaid, but just invert the current behavior, sprinting is default and slow walking needs to be toggled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikaVoid Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 The issue could be that the Evolution Engine itself doesn't calculate state-based behavior for Lavos' ability, but momentum based values, which would complicate the issue. Sadly, we don't really know how the Evolution Engine works in terms of its syntax and logic, but I support the idea of developing this feature. If it is an issue of default states, a default sprint state could be nice, but it would severely conflict with the way players have been playing for a while, and might annoy some people in terms of muscle memory for a while. Ideally, there would exist some toggle-able menu options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, SheikaVoid said: The issue could be that the Evolution Engine itself doesn't calculate state-based behavior for Lavos' ability, but momentum based values, which would complicate the issue. No, the issue is that the game forgets sprinting is toggled on. It does this on every loading screen, on many object interactions, on several ability casts, in the past even on every single melee attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FURYDANCE Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 laughs in bullet jump dodge roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 You could open your very own company with that much salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikaVoid Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Just now, Traumtulpe said: No, the issue is that the game forgets sprinting is toggled on. It does this on every loading screen, on many object interactions, on several ability casts, in the past even on every single melee attack. Apologies, I've not slept for a day and a half, may have misread. As for state persistence, yeah, that should be pretty easy (from the experience I've had in game development), but, again, I've never used Evolution Engine, and it may just be really jank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 Just now, Ailia_Grimm said: [...] It accumulated over years, and tens of thousands of times that I had to reactivate sprinting because the game turned it off for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 inb4 Lavos Prime requires a 5 minute break in between each cast: he automatically pulls out a chair and sits down for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikaVoid Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Traumtulpe said: It accumulated over years, and tens of thousands of times that I had to reactivate sprinting because the game turned it off for me. I mean let's be fair. Just tap shift again lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 1 minute ago, SheikaVoid said: I mean let's be fair. Just tap shift again lol. Yes. But after ten thousand times you think: Why not make it work properly? Why have such a basic function be bugged for 8 years? You could just, you know, fix it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikaVoid Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Just now, Traumtulpe said: Yes. But after ten thousand times you think: Why not make it work properly? Why have such a basic function be bugged for 8 years? You could just, you know, fix it? C'mon, these are only poor, 175 million dollar devs working for a Tencent-owned studio, cut them some slack, not like it's their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzerkules Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, SheikaVoid said: I mean let's be fair. Just tap shift again lol. On a PS controller you have to hit L3, depressing the stick literally thousands of times has broken 2 controllers since I started playing this game. It's really bad when sprint is toggled off every single time you enter archwing and you end up toggling sprint like 15 times running a bounty or eidolons. It's not a gentle press of a button like every other action either, you are generally moving while toggling sprint for the 10th time in a mission and you are depressing the joystick while it's in some random direction that you're moving. It causes unnecessary wear on controllers and could be fixed with a simple QoL fix. Either invert the default like OP suggested or have a prefer sprint option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IIDMOII Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Seems like such a mindless thing to fix too. It has been addressed for certain abilities already but not others. Wisp 4 comes to mind. I dont have any use for walk. Ever. Not once. Ever. Why is it even a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 I think somebody has been playing way too much Classic Doom. Like way, way too much Classic Doom, and not enough Half Life If you're ever complaining about having to press Left Shift in this game, it means you aren't pressing Ctrl+Space nearly enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quxier Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 58 minutes ago, SheikaVoid said: I mean let's be fair. Just tap shift again lol. You know... if we ("runners") want to use shift for running we would do it already. 1 hour ago, Traumtulpe said: -snip- You know what you can do? Turn left & right... using keyboards. ;) Past Lavos I've seen this "sprint turn off" thing in new updates (e.g. Zephyr hover). I & probably others posted about this. Well, we are here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Traumtulpe said: It accumulated over years, and tens of thousands of times that I had to reactivate sprinting because the game turned it off for me. I have to agree tho, I don't really understands why it's still a thing since they already patched it on other frames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)adachi_2 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 11 hours ago, Traumtulpe said: It's a bandaid, but just invert the current behavior, sprinting is default and slow walking needs to be toggled. I have a better idea just remove slow walking,why would to go slow?.also im pretty sure they wont be making your feature a thing cuz people are used to double taping or pressing the analog stick to sprint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazerXPrime Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Isn't it the case that every ability that affects movement speed resets your movement to default "jogging" mode? Don't think it's a bug, but just the way it's designed. Would be better if it reverts back to what you had before, but honestly I rarely run into this and I rather have them working on new things or things that are actually broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_R_o_g_u_e_ Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Can someone give an example of a situation where you intentionally toggle sprint off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltage Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 15 hours ago, SheikaVoid said: I mean let's be fair. Just tap shift again lol. Yeah, until it's thousands of hours of mission time later and you just snap like OP. I totally get it. I'm not sure why your character isn't always sprinting by default anyway. There's no reason to walk anywhere in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikaVoid Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Just now, Voltage said: Yeah, until it's thousands of hours of mission time later and you just snap like OP. I totally get it. I'm not sure why your character isn't always sprinting by default anyway. There's no reason to walk anywhere in this game. It's one #*!%ing movement of a finger. Why does this of all things bother people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltage Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, SheikaVoid said: It's one #*!%ing movement of a finger. Why does this of all things bother people. When you do it a bazillion times it gets under your skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quxier Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, SheikaVoid said: It's one #*!%ing movement of a finger. Why does this of all things bother people. Use Zephyr's Hover OR Lavos' Vial Rush (and many more but whatever). They are spammable abilities. I want to use them MANY times per mission. I'm in "roll team" (I roll a lot). It would be hard to have "hold shift to run" & use different key to roll. I don't mind toggling sprinting once per mission but... come one, That's too much. It probably adds 1/5 more key presses for my keyboard (wsad/arrows as one key). I don't even use Hover because of this stupid thing. They could add "steering" (not very usable without mouse but oh well) option to Lavos... why they cannot fix this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 I wish we could up vote more than once. I may not agree with OP on everything, but this thread needs up votes, several upon several. The cancel of sprint on vial rush is why I replaced it with roar. No other frame with movement skills run into this issue, it really needs a change/fix/whatever they wanna call it. It is annoying enough on Danse Macabre and such, but atleast those arent movement abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted June 5, 2021 Author Share Posted June 5, 2021 4 hours ago, _R_o_g_u_e_ said: Can someone give an example of a situation where you intentionally toggle sprint off? Titania with Razorwing Blitz and high power strength. Else you just tap the button to move from one wall to the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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