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Revenant and why we need to remove his Eidolon themeing when his Primed version gets released


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Spoilers ahead for players who have not completed the Second Dream, The War Within, or any proceeding story quests involved.

Going by the title here, you already know what warframe I am going to be talking about. That warframe is Revenant.

Revenant made his debut as the newest warframe on August 24th, 2018, with his own quest called Mask of the Revenant in Update 23.5.

Revenant is somewhat of an awkward warframe, with something most players don't think about.

Revenant is the only warframe concept NOT originally created by the Orokin. The warframe that Revenant was beforehand, known only as the Warden was, but the way Revenant came into existence was completely out of the Orokins control.

It's understandable why many players may not play him, or don't see him as viable to their style of play, but it's good to know of him a bit more. 

Aside from Umbra, who is widely considered to be the Sentient frame for his ability to be able to move around from transference, Revenant likely holds the title for being a literal sentient frame, in which he is the combination of all Orokin subsidies, that being Orokin or human biology, Helminth(Infestation), and Sentient(specifically Eidolon)energy.

There are frames that others will mention such as Valkyr, Xaku, or others that aren't explained somewhat, but they have a reasonable explanation:

Valkyr was originally made with her Prime first, and she became angry due to Alad V torturing her. People say she was built by Alad V or she became a completely different warframe from him, but she was just deconstructed and tortured, and she became more adept at killing from that as most of her abilities have/had some sort of scream or yell coming from them.

Xaku is a combination of different frames, likely 3 during the Old War that we don't know about and were destroyed, but the reason they don't apply is because they were built that way at first because the Orokin basically got lazy(all due respect to DE). 

If DE ever creates a Revenant Prime, lore-wise, it would be a complete mess, considering Normal Revenant's backstory, unless DE does something to alleviate this, so no veteran, novice or returning players become confused.

I am prepared for any backlash that may come my way from this post.

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58 minutes ago, (PSN)IAMPRO_16 said:

Revenant is the only warframe concept NOT originally created by the Orokin. The warframe that Revenant was beforehand, known only as the Warden was, but the way Revenant came into existence was completely out of the Orokins control.

Lavos was originally a tank frame (and Warden), but changed after he interacted and combined with the alchemist he was guarding.

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8 hours ago, Rawbeard said:

the lore is she was created by the Tenno. it was still in her description in game last I checked.

My mistake. I keep thinking the High Tenno Council is part of the Orokin Empire to some extent.

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The vampire theme should of never been added to him, it distroyies the cance for an actural Vampire frame to be made, imo Rev needs a rework.

Here is what I would to to Rev.

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·       All abilities will have a casting speed increase.

 

1st ability REWORK:

Revenant shoots a laser seeking projectiles from his hand dealing damage and de-buffing enemies.

·       There are 7 laser projectiles.

·       Pressing the ability will target one enemy while holding the ability will gives you the ability to mark up to 7 enemies before firing at them.

·       This does 600 impact and puncture damage.

·       If the enemies are still alive the enemies` damage output will be decreased by 50% for 10 seconds.

·       Enemies damage output laser projectile amount and mark count can be increased by strength mods.

·       The duration of de-buff can be increased by duration mods.

·        (Synergy) Enemies affected by the 2nd ability will be vulnerable to damage by 30% and will cost no energy.

 

2nd ability:

·       It has 15 charges and can be increased by strength mods.

·       The tendrils are visually on both arms instead of only on one side.

 

3rd ability REWORK:

Revenant summons 8 vomvalyst to seek out and attack enemies.

·       The amount of Vomvalysts cannot be increased by duration mods

·       They will deal 1,000 damage and can be increased by strength mods.

·       They last up to 30 seconds and can be increased by duration mods.

·       When ability duration expires, they will make a last attempted to attack by charging at an enemy and exploding dealing 2,000 radiation damage in a 15m range. If there is no enemy around, they will just explode.

·       Explosion damage and radius cannot be increased by mods.

·       Only Revenant can kill Vomvalysts.

·       When enemies or Vomvalysts are killed, they will leave behind an energy pillar lasting 20 seconds where enemies walking near it will take damage and energy projectiles will seek out enemies damaging them.

·       Allies that stand on the energy pillar will receive 50 (over) shields. This will also include companions.

·       The colour of the Vomvalysts are determined by chosen energy colour.

·       (Synergy) if you cast while 2nd ability is active, the Vomvolysts will carry charges which allies can receive 2 charges by being near them.

·       Vomvalyst with charges will have a smoke effect on them.

·       (Synergy) Casting 1st ability on them will zip Revenant to them.

 

4th ability:

·       Using it will consume 10 energy a second and 15 to increase damage.

 

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Revanant prime just can't exist. Same with Xaku Prime. 

 

On 2021-06-20 at 5:12 AM, Rawbeard said:

the lore is she was created by the Tenno. it was still in her description in game last I checked.

Where does it say she was created by the Tenno and not by Ballas/The Orokin. 

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In regards to all the "X Prime can't exist" comments, I have to say:

When I see a Prime, I think of it like a "what if" scenario that we actually get to play with, rather than just developer fanfiction.

We know Revenant, Nova, and Nidus(as examples) probably shouldn't get Prime variants out of lore consistency, but DE has plans to make a Prime for EVERY Frame, whether it makes sense or not, so inevitably, this debate was gonna come up.

But don't discard them because they're lore-breaking. Embrace the idea of "what if X Frame had a Prime version not impacted by time?"

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2 hours ago, Rawbeard said:

literally in her profile

 

A) That is heavily outdated. The story has developed beyond this relic of a lore drop.Ballas literally didn't exist at that point.

B) It doesn't clearly state it was CREATED BY the Tenno. It says they were a factor in its creation. 

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On 2021-06-16 at 5:01 AM, kyori said:

Prime and vanilla versions are 2 different warframes by lore. It's not a before and after, it's more like original and pirated.

This is the best description of prime and non prime warframes I've encountered in 8 years. Thank you for this.

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7 hours ago, xcrimsonlegendx said:

Isn't that just reference to her being a community-made frame, not actually lore?

it's both. Lotus, even in profile trailers, is not Deadpool.

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16 hours ago, Dar.Karon said:

In regards to all the "X Prime can't exist" comments, I have to say:

When I see a Prime, I think of it like a "what if" scenario that we actually get to play with, rather than just developer fanfiction.

We know Revenant, Nova, and Nidus(as examples) probably shouldn't get Prime variants out of lore consistency, but DE has plans to make a Prime for EVERY Frame, whether it makes sense or not, so inevitably, this debate was gonna come up.

But don't discard them because they're lore-breaking. Embrace the idea of "what if X Frame had a Prime version not impacted by time?"

Nidus prime = just a older (for current us) version of he helminth virus 

Nova Prime = we don't have a good timeline of things , so still could have been made  with Orokin technology 

Revenant prime = Old body, same eidolon corrupted soul .

Xaku = Prime parts of the original frames 


Seriously, we have one integral part of the gameplay related to the fact that the Orokin could transfer ''soul''. Its not Revenant body (only) that was affected by the eidolon energy, It was  his very essence, the one that stays in the void. Also, this makes the Alad V experiments way more terrifying.

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8 hours ago, Rawbeard said:

irrelevant unless contradicted. or are you saying Void Vor is not part of the "lore"?

I like how you ignore the rest of my post explaining why it's wrong and not true. That video was made long before the concrete story of Warframe was in production. It's also mentioned no where in the actual game that she was made by Tenno. The "Tenno High Council" was likely DEs way of giving the Warframe Design Council a spot of credit because she was a COMMUNITY FRAME. It IS mentioned how frames were made in the Sacrifice (I don't want to spoil it for those who haven't done it), and considering the lore dump we got from the up to date Ballas lines from the Gara Prime trailer, that info is even more concrete. Nova was made by the commumity of Tenno (the players), not by the Tenno faction in game lore. Void Vor IS still in the game. 

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1 hour ago, LupoDWolf said:

Revenant prime = Old body, same eidolon corrupted soul .

So the event in which he got Corrupted happened twice?

1 hour ago, LupoDWolf said:

Nidus prime = just a older (for current us) version of he helminth virus 

What? 

1 hour ago, LupoDWolf said:

Xaku = Prime parts of the original frames 

Xaku came together from the remnants of the Old War. All primes were made way back before that. It can't make sense. 

1 hour ago, LupoDWolf said:

Its not Revenant body (only) that was affected by the eidolon energy, It was  his very essence, the one that stays in the void.

What do you mean by stays in the void? 

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On 2021-06-16 at 2:01 PM, kyori said:

Prime and vanilla versions are 2 different warframes by lore. It's not a before and after, it's more like original and pirated.

/thread right here.

For a good parallel to Revenant / Rev Prime, see Gara / Gara Prime. According to in-game lore, "it was Gara who gave herself to protect her friend - shattering the Sentient." However, Gara Prime's trailer alludes to her being the one who did it, with her "little act of courage", "the one who volunteered willingly". So how does this add up? Did Gara Prime do some other heroic thing before Gara shattered the Sentient? Nope. Even the Prime trailer refers to Gara Prime as Gara. Why? Because Gameplay Gara Prime is Lore Gara, while Gameplay Gara is Lore Gara Bootleg.

Now take that last sentence and swap out "Gara" for "Revenant" and you'll have your answer: Revenant Prime did the cool lore stuff, and we're currently playing as Revenant Bootleg. The Cetus quest/bounties don't give blueprints for OG Gara, nor for OG Revenant. They give us the amateur replica.

While there may theoretically be some exceptions, this otherwise works for all possible Primes. The one bit of suspension of disbelief that needs to be done, however, is regarding stuff like the Parvos quest where they show a non-Prime frame that's obviously supposed to be Prime, lore-wise, but isn't because DE obviously doesn't design Prime versions at the same time as the regular models then let them gather dust for four years. (And before anyone says "but that was a Protea Specter": specters of Prime frames take on the Prime appearance.)

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21 hours ago, (PSN)Rainbow_Neos1 said:

So the event in which he got Corrupted happened twice?

What? 

Xaku came together from the remnants of the Old War. All primes were made way back before that. It can't make sense. 

What do you mean by stays in the void? 

Only once, we only got remnants of his old body now.

Think it like the ''prime'' version of the virus
 
again, the only issue is timeline , they could easily came together with prime parts, but the bootleg body we make for they isn't equal

All frames memories, power, souls , basically , are in the void when not in a body. that is why we could remake Umbra with his memories 

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