Why don’t the grineer smash?

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1 minute ago, Miser_able said:

and grineer are hardly the type to do things for fun

We've seen instances of Grineer doing things for enjoyment though.  Without even getting into the "deviations" that occur in certain factions of Grineer or story-relevant individuals, Kela's cheering fans in the stands seem like they're enjoying the spectacle.

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3 minutes ago, Dairaion said:

The fact most of them have robotic lower abdomens.

By the numbers I see when I'm cutting them down in missions, most of them appear to have flesh booty.  And "most" is certainly not the same as "all".

[Kahrain]

I've presumed that the issues with the Grineer reproduction numerous like:

1. No organs for natural reproduction.
2. Limited gene pool to clone from. 1 male variant, 1 female variant and just endless clones of those 2,
3. Clones of clones, based on a culture of cloning success.
4. Sci-fi reason where the Orokin prevented their DNA from being varied.
5. Orokin cloned from the originals each time, and after the war, the originals were lost.

[Kaotyke]

Tyl Regor Smashes.

Just stand still in his fight for a moment and you will hand it to you.

[rapt0rman]

54 minutes ago, Dairaion said:

Europe had a cool 2 millennia of slavery outside of Britain and their slaves reproduced, it’s how they fielded a majority of their army. 

The British weren't bio-engineering demigods though, the Orokin were way beyond the need for manually breeding slaves.

Even if the genetic stock originally came from a regular human, they're clones grown in tubes, there's really no reason for the Orokin to not just remove everything unnecessary or problem causing right from the get-go, weather it's the "whole kit" or just making them sterile. Not to mention controlled hormone production and genetically ingrained temperaments. 

That said the Orokin were sloppy as hell (resulting in everything that's wrong in the galaxy), or else the Grineer would never have been able to rebel in the first place.

As for why the current Grineer have never tried to add new genetic stock, they never actually freed themselves, they just switched servitude from the Orokin to the Twins. 

somewhat sidenote, TBH, it kind of worries me when people actually take what Tyl Regor says at face value... it's extremely sarcastic.

[TARINunit9]

15 hours ago, Dairaion said:

So as a symbol of American Exceptionalism?

You say it as a joke, but... Let's just say that the Orokin believed that wealth was only allowed to be given to someone through a divine privilege, and that social mobility was literal heresy

[vanaukas]

15 hours ago, MagPrime said:

Even if they lack the genitals, they could still manually mix genetics instead of cloning.  Lame answer; conditioning. 

It doesn't work like that tho. Without functioning reproductive organs/system, you can't reproduce no matter how hard you try and it seems that is also a real thing in the WF universe.

15 hours ago, Dairaion said:

Exactly, why wouldn’t they attempt to fix their genes little by little until they reached a functioning state. Why wouldn’t they attempt to improve themselves with Dax genes or why didn’t they pluck some hair from the 26 million registered Tenno she tried to body snatch and make void grineer?

They have tried to enhance themselves and break the decaying cycle, but every time they are in the verge of succes we step in and kill/destroy anything related to the research and also the researchers, so it's kinda hard for them making progress.

[Dairaion]

16 minutes ago, TARINunit9 said:

You say it as a joke, but... Let's just say that the Orokin believed that wealth was only allowed to be given to someone through a divine privilege, and that social mobility was literal heresy

Yeah but the orokin don’t seem to have comprehended wealth due to their extensive ability to pass off work to effective subordinates. That’s not also taking into account that there were presumably people useful enough to the system to invite into it.

[TARINunit9]

15 minutes ago, Dairaion said:

Yeah but the orokin don’t seem to have comprehended wealth due to their extensive ability to pass off work to effective subordinates. 

Quite the opposite. The Orokin used wealth as an excuse to pass work off

16 minutes ago, Dairaion said:

That’s not also taking into account that there were presumably people useful enough to the system to invite into it.

Not really. Javi and Parvos Granum were the brightest minds of their generations, and the Orokin immediately tried to kill them rather than promote them (they only begrudgingly stopped trying to kill Parvos after he defeated a full Tenno squad). Only Silvana was ever brought into the fold, and she was only promoted from "digging in the dirt" to "digging in the dirt to build Warframes"

[Dairaion]

3 hours ago, rapt0rman said:

The British weren't bio-engineering demigods though, the Orokin were way beyond the need for manually breeding slaves.

Even if the genetic stock originally came from a regular human, they're clones grown in tubes, there's really no reason for the Orokin to not just remove everything unnecessary or problem causing right from the get-go, weather it's the "whole kit" or just making them sterile. Not to mention controlled hormone production and genetically ingrained temperaments. 

Yeah but I was talking about the rest of Europe, which compared to the rest of the planet was a bit more advanced due to 8-10,000 years of non-stop raw material trade and tool manufacturing in addition to possessing well bred warhorses and hounds, food stock like pigs which weren’t bred for food outside of Western Europe and East Asia (with Western Europe being the only one to preserve it for trade), milch cows, and numerous small food stock like goats, rabbits, and fish, all of them producing either food or trade material throughout their lives. By comparison Most of post-chalcolithic earth was more effective than the orokin because they never wrecked the biosphere to the point where their existence was walking a tightrope with the only thing between them and non existence being their ability to make robofishes. And before anyone argues that humanity is incapable of that level of genetic manipulation remember humans thousands of years ago humans decided they needed more fur so we made goats that grow carpets on their back. 

[Dairaion]

4 minutes ago, TARINunit9 said:

Quite the opposite. The Orokin used wealth as an excuse to pass work off

Not really. Javi and Parvos Granum were the brightest minds of their generations, and the Orokin immediately tried to kill them rather than promote them (they only begrudgingly stopped trying to kill Parvos after he defeated a full Tenno squad). Only Silvana was ever brought into the fold, and she was only promoted from "digging in the dirt" to "digging in the dirt to build Warframes"

The brightest minds of their generation didn’t accomplish much, and to be honest the Tenno they sent were scrubs from switch.

[TARINunit9]

3 minutes ago, Dairaion said:

The brightest minds of their generation didn’t accomplish much

Parvos built a nation. A nation that stretched between planets during an interplanetary war

[Dairaion]

35 minutes ago, TARINunit9 said:

Parvos built a nation. A nation that stretched between planets during an interplanetary war

So he was a rival species who created a nation whose first order of business was killing its founder.

[snoozecruise]

On 2021-06-17 at 10:25 PM, -CdG-Zilchy said:

Because Clem can't hold a decent conversation with a woman past saying "clem" a bunch of times and those Queens are fkn ugly and often regard you as food, who would want to?

how dare you

I'll have you know Clem is quite the upstanding individual

always shows up when I need him to, never complains, and always brings a lot of ammo. What kinda girl wouldn't want that?

 

Also, even if the Grineer were biologically viable to self-procreate, it's easier to control your homicidal galactic army if you don't give them the illusion that they exist for any other reason than war. Even if their genetics are mucked up, trillions of Grineer attempting to procreate will eventually result in a few lucky surviving Grineer kids. Without the influence of Grineer hardware, chemical alteration, and psychological indoctrination, these little free-range nuggets might start putting ideas into Grineer heads, or at the very least adding to the forces of outlier groups like Steel Meridian or The Church of Clem.

[Dairaion]

2 hours ago, snoozecruise said:

how dare you

I'll have you know Clem is quite the upstanding individual

always shows up when I need him to, never complains, and always brings a lot of ammo. What kinda girl wouldn't want that?

 

Also, even if the Grineer were biologically viable to self-procreate, it's easier to control your homicidal galactic army if you don't give them the illusion that they exist for any other reason than war. Even if their genetics are mucked up, trillions of Grineer attempting to procreate will eventually result in a few lucky surviving Grineer kids. Without the influence of Grineer hardware, chemical alteration, and psychological indoctrination, these little free-range nuggets might start putting ideas into Grineer heads, or at the very least adding to the forces of outlier groups like Steel Meridian or The Church of Clem.

your also ignoring that he specifically called out the queens as being unattractive, which is untrue, theyre unattractive because they're old and orokin seem to suffer from some sort of indeterminate growth, which if anything should make breeding even easier, however in the Kuva Cloak that the Elder Queen was once "Elegant". The lowest ranking (and thus youngest) female grineer we see are attractive, and the female agents of the steel meridian who seem to not suffer from clone rot are far more curvaceous than the stand human judging from ostrons.

considering that and that ancient grineer men looked like young billy zane, it's even harder to believe this. factor in that there is no reason to edit out the male reproductive system as every organ within it produces some manner of testosterone and other male associated chemicals that would be required for heavy labor and warfare, also factor in that the orokin were more fond of using whatever kuva magic made the Dax obey, so why wouldn't they do the same to the grineer while retaining the bits?

[-CdG-Zilchy]

3 hours ago, snoozecruise said:

how dare you

I'll have you know Clem is quite the upstanding individual

always shows up when I need him to, never complains, and always brings a lot of ammo. What kinda girl wouldn't want that?

 

Also, even if the Grineer were biologically viable to self-procreate, it's easier to control your homicidal galactic army if you don't give them the illusion that they exist for any other reason than war. Even if their genetics are mucked up, trillions of Grineer attempting to procreate will eventually result in a few lucky surviving Grineer kids. Without the influence of Grineer hardware, chemical alteration, and psychological indoctrination, these little free-range nuggets might start putting ideas into Grineer heads, or at the very least adding to the forces of outlier groups like Steel Meridian or The Church of Clem.

Well given the looks of the Queens, perhaps they haven't discovered paper bags yet or a dimmer switch 🤣