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2 minutes ago, (XBOX)l Saminator l said:

Wonder what the cost will be for each mod. I should be safe as I think I have just over 1000 vitus essence currently.

I'd be very suprised if they're not around the same price as the rivens for sale given that the mod capacity is similar.

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1 minute ago, (XBOX)l Saminator l said:

Wonder what the cost will be for each mod. I should be safe as I think I have just over 1000 vitus essence currently.

I guess 30-50 each.

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2 minutes ago, Jarriaga said:

I do not agree with your assessment unless your argument is that you should only be playing TSP and moving on from the rest of the game as a whole, which is not reasonable in my opinion. Adding them to both means people continue to ignore Arbitrations or XYZ non-TSP gamemode the mods would rest in.  

I'm saying content we are done with and have been done with for a long long time should be possible to ignore. We already have enough of trivial low level S#&$e we need to go through regularly for other things. No need to re-add arbis to the pile aswell. And obviously according to your own benefits lined up as bullet points there would be enough reason for people to do arbis, unless of course those points arent really benefits at all in the end. And people not able to do SP would obviously do arbis instead of SP to get ready for SP.

The switch over to arbis was not for the sake of arbis to be played again, the switch was for the sake of the players not fully ready for SP. So people ignoring arbis is of little worry to DE, since if it was, the mods would have been arbi obtained since the first devshop thread. 

Currently I will ignore the mods since I have nither the use or want for them, especially not when it means I need to visit a pointless place like arbis.

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22 minutes ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:

I don't think they've announced yet if it's store or drops but I could be wrong.

I don't know if anybody else has mentioned yet but it was confirmed on reddit that it will be in the arbi shop. 

 

Edit: nvm this post just exploded with like 20 responses lol

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11 minutes ago, (XBOX)TyeGoo said:

All i did was point out that there's a vast difference between SP (FIXED and GUARANTEED from ALL sources) and Arbitrations (lousy 1 guaranteed (1 source), the rest depending on drones, which are the equivalent of the old steel paths eximus) [which flip flop around as well, i had Arbitrations with 0 drones in the past] while keeping ALL EXISTING players in Warframe in mind. 

And DE agrees, otherwise SP would've NOT been changed from RNG to fixed. (How many times you stack boosters and all that's behind "efficiency" is utterly irrelevant to that complaint of the majority that Arbitrations aren't worth it)

This applies to everything.

Point: outliers and stacking unintended interactions (that are unintended, 1 of it being currently addressed with picking stuff up at the right time) are completely irrelevant to that complaint.

Hence i suggested to not say "this sucks" in the wrong section and leave, but to tell DE how it sucks, what could be made better, and most importantly WHY it SHOULD be better.

But that's not happening, just peeking into feedback reveals that.

Ok..
Why couldn't you just say that? Why did you have to accuse me instead? That's a normal discussion instead and I'm fine with that man. And I'll just say right now, we didn't wait for ages for cat buffs to pick it up, that's not how it worked, we killed REALLY FAST instead. That's 100 waves in 1 hour, that's how. 

Now back on topic, they shouldn't have moved it sure, I agree. BUT they have and the reason they have is because of the sheer weight of complaints they received from proposing to place it in Steel Path, which is frankly silly seeing as the mods will have by far the most use IN steel path. But that's FOMO for you and that's what you have to thank for it. What I don't understand on this topic however is that people are blaming DE and believe me I'm not their biggest fan, my string of warnings for calling them out is testament to that. But in this case, they literally did what was demanded of them so the irony of this is just so damn high. And yes, I realise the people dissatisfied in this thread are NOT the ones who demanded the changes. Majority vote sucks, I've had to deal with it making this game easier and more devoid of any challenge for years.

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1 hour ago, T-Shark69 said:

I don't agree with this one. I get a lot of rewards from playing Arbies compared to SP and Vitus Essence can be used to buy more things compared to Steel Essence. Getting 4 times more SE than VS isnt really worth S#&$ to me if im just gonna waste it all on Kuva. 

The only reward from arbitration is an archgun riven mod and overpriced kuva, steel path has umbra forma, 3 built forma, discounted kuva, all rivens, 30k endo all on 8 week rotations. Then it has a useless stance forma that apparently some people buy, and always available kuva too.

Arbitration is also just inferior in every way to steel path and it's probably not going to see any improvements. and if you want endo, Void storms/veil missions in railjack are significantly faster, better, and more conistent than arbitrations.

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1 hour ago, Jarriaga said:

TSP is the only gamemode in the entire game that doesn't follow these spawn patters. Using the outlier as the basis for your argument is disingenuous. 

That is intentional. Just like there are people who only play TSP survival and interception, people would only do Arbitrations Excavation or Interception if given the chance. DE don't want people ignoring content. If this game was relegated to only adding things or expanding on things they like and nothing more then the entire game would be nothing more than exterminate and capture.

Defection is in TSP also. It's only deemed "bad" because it's an escort mission that requires healing to protect the defectors. It's a breeze of a gamemode if you stay with them from A from point B and bring a healing ability. Not liking an escort mission doesn't make it bad per se, just not your taste.

1. When the outlier is more fun than almost every other gamemode, maybe it's time to revaluate your other gamemodes.

2. If people are ignoring content, maybe it's time to revaluate that content and make it more appealing instead of forcing people to play it. Forcing people to play a mode they absolutely hate instead of improving the system to make people enjoy playing it is terrible game design and you should just stick to selling burgers at mcdonalds if you hate people enjoying things that much.

3. The difference is: You can CHOOSE to play defection if you love waiting for slow moving NPCs that can get caught on the smallest geometry. You are not forced to wait 1 hour to play the mode you like, keep in mind, not everyone is able to play warframe 24/7 every day. The rotation is stupid and never should've been in arbitration.

It's just bad design, simple as that.

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40 minutes ago, Jarriaga said:

Adding them to both means people continue to ignore Arbitrations or XYZ non-TSP gamemode the mods would rest in because they flat-out can't compete with Steel Essence farming speed.

That sure says a lot about the state of arbitrations doesn't it? Funny how people don't want to play the mode that is boring and less rewarding in comparison to the new one that has everything near perfect.
It's not an insane amount of reward, but it's enough to justify spending time doing it.
And it's actually fun to do and you can do it on any gamemode whenever you want or are able to.
"Force players to play X gamemode because nobody wants to play it" is a bad way to design a game, it's supposed to be fun not a chore.

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6 minutes ago, T-Shark69 said:

Theres nothing to elaborate, no point wasting time when you're obviously wrong. 🤷‍♂️

I've checked, the only reward you'd want multiples of are archgun rivens and kuva.
There's just a whole load of bad cosmetics and mods that you'll buy once and never touch again.
Compared to steel path it's got nothing. the drop table rewards are bad too since it's diluted to all hell.

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Just now, drsnivy said:

There's just a whole load of bad cosmetics and mods that you'll buy once and never touch again.

Ok just to make sure im not assuming too much here. You are aware you can trade things for plat right? 
 

2 minutes ago, drsnivy said:

the drop table rewards are bad too since it's diluted to all hell.

Bad compared to what tho? Also in case someone hasnt noticed : In arbies youre doing a farm for multiple things at once, not just store currency.

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2 minutes ago, T-Shark69 said:

Ok just to make sure im not assuming too much here. You are aware you can trade things for plat right? 
 

Bad compared to what tho? Also in case someone hasnt noticed : In arbies youre doing a farm for multiple things at once, not just store currency.

Yes, I do.
Compared to steel path.
but what are you farming if all you get is seeding step, aura forma, and the bad arcanes?
iirc adaptation is the only rotation reward people want to buy, and maybe arcane tanker.

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Just now, drsnivy said:

Yes, I do.

So you get why then.
 

1 minute ago, drsnivy said:

Compared to steel path.

Then they're not bad at all.
 

2 minutes ago, drsnivy said:

if all you get is seeding step, aura forma, and the bad arcanes?

That's not all one gets tho smh. Aura forma and Seeding step are always a frown inducer when they drop but they're far from common. And i really hope they move them to the store. Anw, people want to buy all sort of stuff from Arbies. The only thing i cant really sell is the pet arcane, the rest is gone. Pistoleer sells like 250p for full set lol, i cant sell the star chat rewards most of SP gives me since they already got them in the normal star chart.

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6 minutes ago, drsnivy said:

Yes, I do.
Compared to steel path.
but what are you farming if all you get is seeding step, aura forma, and the bad arcanes?
iirc adaptation is the only rotation reward people want to buy, and maybe arcane tanker.

The 300p I got from selling those bad arcanes says otherwise now, doesn't it?

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34 minutes ago, drsnivy said:

I've checked, the only reward you'd want multiples of are archgun rivens and kuva.
There's just a whole load of bad cosmetics and mods that you'll buy once and never touch again.
Compared to steel path it's got nothing. the drop table rewards are bad too since it's diluted to all hell.

I sold those mods many times over to get other things in game. They are frequently asked for in trade as well.

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1 hour ago, drsnivy said:

1. When the outlier is more fun than almost every other gamemode, maybe it's time to revaluate your other gamemodes.

2. If people are ignoring content, maybe it's time to revaluate that content and make it more appealing instead of forcing people to play it. Forcing people to play a mode they absolutely hate instead of improving the system to make people enjoy playing it is terrible game design and you should just stick to selling burgers at mcdonalds if you hate people enjoying things that much.

3. The difference is: You can CHOOSE to play defection if you love waiting for slow moving NPCs that can get caught on the smallest geometry. You are not forced to wait 1 hour to play the mode you like, keep in mind, not everyone is able to play warframe 24/7 every day. The rotation is stupid and never should've been in arbitration.

It's just bad design, simple as that.

1) Or, the outlier could simply not be used as the baseline. The only reason it has a higher spawn rate is that DE didn't feel the standard spawn rate was enough of a challenge for hard mode. Fun is a byproduct of said increased spawn rate, not the goal.

2) You can not make less-difficult content more appealing to those who have long move on from said content, myself included. Content competes with content. If DE want a stop-gap in between 2 tiers of content content then it can not, by definition, be elevated to the level of the content that goes after it. As inconvenient as it may be, forcing people back into it is the only thing that works. It's no coincidence Yareli is going to be added to the Vent Kids when she's released for the same reason Harrow's components are in Defection. This is a carrot in a stick game, and developers don't want you to ignore content. 

3) Again: By that reasoning, you might as well remove everything but exterminate and capture from the entire game. 

57 minutes ago, drsnivy said:

That sure says a lot about the state of arbitrations doesn't it? Funny how people don't want to play the mode that is boring and less rewarding in comparison to the new one that has everything near perfect.
It's not an insane amount of reward, but it's enough to justify spending time doing it.
And it's actually fun to do and you can do it on any gamemode whenever you want or are able to.
"Force players to play X gamemode because nobody wants to play it" is a bad way to design a game, it's supposed to be fun not a chore.

The irony of your post here is that people didn't have a much of a problem with Vitus drop rate until TSP was added. It's akin to complaining your Toyota is a very slow car after trying a Ferrari. The Toyota didn't become slower, it's just that it suddenly wasn't good-enough for you anymore.

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Man this REALLY kills my mood for the game right now. Arbitration is awful. I've been running it for the last few days because I needed the endo and I just cannot stand them. They are complete garbage compared to steel path. There are so many awful things about arbitrations that steel path you dont have to worry about.

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2 minutes ago, Jarriaga said:

The irony of your post here is that people didn't have a much of a problem with Vitus drop rate until TSP was added. It's akin to complaining your Toyota is a very slow car after trying a Ferrari. The Toyota didn't become slower, it just that it suddenly wasn't good-enough for you anymore.

More apt comparison would be moving from eating dirt to having a proper meal.

Turns out dirt is awful when you have a good meal.

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5 minutes ago, (XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom said:

More apt comparison would be moving from eating dirt to having a proper meal.

Turns out dirt is awful when you have a good meal.

Only way that would be an apt comparison was if it was actual dirt. It wasn't. Pretending otherwise is historical revisionism. 

Most people were OK with Vitus drop rate. Full stop. It felt fair for how easy Arbitrations are and when considering all rewards are one-and-done offerings. You soon had more Vitus than you could use unless you were buying Kuva or buying stuff to sell them for plat.

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15 hours ago, Infirito said:

They should just add them mods to Defection and Infested Salvage missions, nobody plays them, so this will bring people back into those wonderful gamemodes. ^_^

lmao....both are the worst things in warframe....

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