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45% 55%chance auto parry. Please bring the old effect back. + Increase Parry angle by 100% (Just checked wiki history and WOA)

100% combo chance gain on block seems really underwhelming and pretty pointless as you can just melee attack or kill an enemy.

 

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9 hours ago, UdsUds said:

45% 55%chance auto parry. Please bring the old effect back.

Why? In quick-melee mode you auto-pary automatically & in full-melee it's better to block manually.

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5 hours ago, quxier said:

Why? In quick-melee mode you auto-pary automatically & in full-melee it's better to block manually.

But Reflex Guard currently loses its old function and usefulness. As it is now, Do you have a build that centers around it? OR at least uses Reflex Guard to most of its extent "100% combo chance when blocking only".

  • By the time  you justify that it is useful as it is, let  me point out that  blocking is limited by blocking angle.
  • And gaining combo counter while blocking and taking more damage compared to the meager gain is not worth a mod slot.

On contrary the OLD Reflex Guard has perks when using along with guns and abilities.

  • Allows blocking without a melee  (citation needed)
  • Increase Parry angle by 100% ( I just checked wiki, now  I'm thinking Why TF it  was change to the current version)
  • CON: Niche double edge effect that it will cancel reload action when it triggers.
  • Allows parry when using CERTAIN ability;  peace maker,  sound  quake,  etc.
  • Synergize well with Arcane Phantasma ~ blocking angle currently can only be increase by 1 mod "Focused Defense"

 

 

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2 hours ago, UdsUds said:

Allows blocking without a melee  (citation needed)

As I said:

8 hours ago, quxier said:

In quick-melee mode you auto-pary automatically & in full-melee it's better to block manually.

 

2 hours ago, UdsUds said:
  • By the time  you justify that it is useful as it is, let  me point out that  blocking is limited by blocking angle.
  • And gaining combo counter while blocking and taking more damage compared to the meager gain is not worth a mod slot.

I'm not saying it's good. I think only few weapons gains something from blocking. I think sword & shield gains something. One of syndicate weapons gains blinding effect but the implementation suck. However it's just old stuffs weren't good either.

2 hours ago, UdsUds said:

Increase Parry angle by 100% ( I just checked wiki, now  I'm thinking Why TF it  was change to the current version)

I'm not sure if it's useful.

2 hours ago, UdsUds said:

Synergize well with Arcane Phantasma ~ blocking angle currently can only be increase by 1 mod "Focused Defense"

AP triggers by anything...

2 hours ago, UdsUds said:

Allows parry when using CERTAIN ability;  peace maker,  sound  quake,  etc.

Ok, you have 55% to not get hit... 45% will still kill you...

 

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1 hour ago, quxier said:

I'm not saying it's good. I think only few weapons gains something from blocking. I think sword & shield gains something. One of syndicate weapons gains blinding effect but the implementation suck. However it's just old stuffs weren't good either.

You already answered your question, "~Why?"

As to the "Old stuffs weren't that good", the +parry angle alone is way better rather

than gaining increase combo chance when blocking.

Another point, tested this myself, Arcane Phantasma was easier to trigger with the OLD Reflex Guard

1 hour ago, quxier said:

Ok, you have 55% to not get hit... 45% will still kill you...

Yes 45% can still kill you the OLD way but the NEW way? ~ You wont even equip Reflex Guard.

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9 minutes ago, UdsUds said:

Another point, tested this myself, Arcane Phantasma was easier to trigger with the OLD Reflex Guard

*Heavy gunner and another hundreds of bullets say HI*

I don't know how it could be easier than just moving. I don't do anything special and when I'm near enemies I just get this buff.

9 minutes ago, UdsUds said:

As to the "Old stuffs weren't that good", the +parry angle alone is way better rather

than gaining increase combo chance when blocking.

I don't know about +parry angle. When you are blocking & gaining combos that means you are maintaining your combo. That's, in my opinion, good reason.

11 minutes ago, UdsUds said:

Yes 45% can still kill you the OLD way but the NEW way? ~ You wont even equip Reflex Guard.

That's because this game melee system is so.... I don't know... "basic". Either way both things are very niche.

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2 hours ago, Rawbeard said:

does it still interrupt your actions when the auto parry triggers?

No auto parry anymore, but OLD Reflex Guard  used to interrupt action in some cases ~but can be bypass?!.

 @quxier What is you point? Do you use the current reflex guard? - I'm sure you don't.

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1 hour ago, UdsUds said:

 @quxier What is you point? Do you use the current reflex guard? - I'm sure you don't.

Even I don't use I think it's better than old version. So I don't think change is needed.

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12 hours ago, Rawbeard said:

does it still interrupt your actions when the auto parry triggers?

Since DE below deck changed what effects trigger block animation (and seem to have removed on-attack overwrite recovery time from block too), its extremely unlikely that it would interrupt actions or force a animation, same way how Primed Sure Footed got fixed to no longer be a worse stun than the knockdown it blocked when it was buffed to give 2 levels of stagger stage reduction and actually made 100% instead of the 99.7% (wiki is still outdated tho on all of that).

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You are saying that if the Devs ever revert the Old Reflex Guard effect, it will remove the CON of action interruption? (even better!)

Also

1 hour ago, Andele3025 said:

Primed Sure Footed got fixed to no longer be a worse stun than the knockdown it blocked when it was buffed to give 2 levels of stagger stage reduction and actually made 100%

The thing is with Reflex Guard is it wasn't buff at all...

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Through testing more yesterday that 100% combo addition is WAY WAY WORSE than 55% auto parry + 100% Increase combo angle. Heck for rank 10 mod to be ONLY the same level as "True Punishment". - AND- Yes tested that "true punishment" works the same when blocking.

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8 hours ago, UdsUds said:

The thing is with Reflex Guard is it wasn't buff at all...

I was explaining that at least based on other mechanics, it shouldnt cause the block stun/interrupt effect for some 1.4s~ if it were its 55% chance to auto block form.

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4 hours ago, Andele3025 said:

I was explaining that at least based on other mechanics, it shouldnt cause the block stun/interrupt effect for some 1.4s~ if it were its 55% chance to auto block form.

I see. To be frank though, I don't mind the interruption as the pros out weights it. (Talking about the OLD Reflex Guard effect)

If we ever receive a revert though I wouldn't mind removing the interruption on it.

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On 2021-07-05 at 1:12 PM, UdsUds said:
  • On contrary the OLD Reflex Guard has perks when using along with guns and abilities.
  • Allows blocking without a melee  (citation needed)
  • Increase Parry angle by 100% ( I just checked wiki, now  I'm thinking Why TF it  was change to the current version)
  • CON: Niche double edge effect that it will cancel reload action when it triggers.
  • Allows parry when using CERTAIN ability;  peace maker,  sound  quake,  etc.
  • Synergize well with Arcane Phantasma ~ blocking angle currently can only be increase by 1 mod "Focused Defense"

 

 

You forgot to mention something! Getting Animation locked parrying bullets, it was a hilarious bug but getting stun lock by animations gets old quick

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10 hours ago, MadMattPrime said:

You forgot to mention something! Getting Animation locked parrying bullets, it was a hilarious bug but getting stun lock by animations gets old quick

I kinda did actually but not on the main topic.

On 2021-07-05 at 7:25 PM, UdsUds said:

No auto parry anymore, but OLD Reflex Guard  used to interrupt action in some cases ~but can be bypass?!.

 

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