There's not going to be Hema and Hirudo prime "because they're infested".

[xcrimsonlegendx]

8 minutes ago, FrostDragoon said:

Those fish were originally Orokin in nature. We don't have reason to believe Hema and Hirudo were.

Other than that they were made for Nidus, who is of Orokin origin. 😉

[xcrimsonlegendx]

13 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

Except that those weapons come from the Bio Lab and not the Tenno Lab. If they were Orokin in design they'd be safe and not need a Bio Lab, since they'd use Helminth and not pure infestation. Otherwise Wukong, Zephyr, Banshee and Nezha would also be tucked away in the Bio Lab for safety.

You seem to be confusing lore and storytelling with gameplay systems that are not 100% canon. There is nothing saying that the reason the infested weapons are in the bio lab is because they're unsafe to be housed elsewhere. Its simply their thematic home, the appropriate place to categorize them within the dojo system.

There are two Corpus themed mutalist weapons housed in the Biolab, they're still made by the corpus but they are in the bio lab because they're infested weapons. Just because Hema and Hirudo are from the Biolab has no implication whether or not they were Orokin designed.

[(XBOX)Graysmog]

2 hours ago, xcrimsonlegendx said:

Established convention doesn't mean anything when they can prime a Corpus sentinel without issue, proving that exceptions can happen.

Then you haven't read Lockjaw and Sol.

Alad V actually made the Corpus version of Helios, and knowing how fascinated he is with Orokin tech, it's not that odd for him to try and replicate it at a cheaper cost for monetary gain. Helios Prime existed well before and Alad V just made a knock-off.

[Dragonofdarkness13]

Or simply make uninfested versions, See Quanta line for example

[xcrimsonlegendx]

1 minute ago, (XBOX)Graysmog said:

Then you haven't read Lockjaw and Sol.

Alad V actually made the Corpus version of Helios, and knowing how fascinated he is with Orokin tech, it's not that odd for him to try and replicate it at a cheaper cost for monetary gain. Helios Prime existed well before and Alad V just made a knock-off.

Don't remember that but thanks for the refresher. However they could still do whatever they want and explain it away as they always do.

[FrostDragoon]

I'd rather they come up with a new convention for consistency rather than trying to invent new contrivances for violating lore each time.

[(XBOX)Graysmog]

16 minutes ago, xcrimsonlegendx said:

Other than that they were made for Nidus, who is of Orokin origin. 😉

"A bloodsucker. This symbiotic burst-rifle leeches health to forge its ammo and then restores health with each headshot."

"Rip into the enemy with fists of razor sharp cartilage. Steals health with each critical hit."

Nothing here mentions Nidus, and neither of these weapons are Signature Weapons for him. They just happened to be included with him because they fit thematically. From what the lore seems to imply, Nidus can be Primed because, like all Warframes, he's a strain of Infestation specifically designed by the Orokin to function as it does. The regular Infestation can't be Primed because, as we can see with Mutalist weapons, it's way too unstable and will literally change and mold the weapon into something completely different given enough time. So I imagine that they technically could do that, but it wouldn't stay as a Prime weapon for very long.

On top of that, most Orokin weaponry is very basic in terms of function for Sentient lore reasons. Every Prime gun fires bullets or basic blades. As we've seen with the Infestation before, biological attacks sucked against the Sentients, so making a weapon to fight them doesn't make much sense. 

[--F--NerevarCM]

1 hour ago, xcrimsonlegendx said:

It quite literally is designed to match the Arca set of weapons/armor with the exact orange/blue/black coloration theme and boxy corpus design. 

What? Helios predates the Arca set for like 3 or 4 years

[xcrimsonlegendx]

4 minutes ago, (XBOX)Graysmog said:

"A bloodsucker. This symbiotic burst-rifle leeches health to forge its ammo and then restores health with each headshot."

"Rip into the enemy with fists of razor sharp cartilage. Steals health with each critical hit."

Nothing here mentions Nidus, and neither of these weapons are Signature Weapons for him. They just happened to be included with him because they fit thematically. From what the lore seems to imply, Nidus can be Primed because, like all Warframes, he's a strain of Infestation specifically designed by the Orokin to function as it does. The regular Infestation can't be Primed because, as we can see with Mutalist weapons, it's way too unstable and will literally change and mold the weapon into something completely different given enough time. 

The lead weapon dev on the Tennocon stream said earlier that they were in fact his signature weapons.

[xcrimsonlegendx]

5 minutes ago, --F--NerevarCM said:

What? Helios predates the Arca set for like 3 or 4 years

Okay so the Arca set is built around the Helios theme? It doesn't change the clear relation in their visual design and theme.

[--F--NerevarCM]

1 minute ago, xcrimsonlegendx said:

Okay so the Arca set is built around the Helios theme?

No, its not. There's no relation besides these items being Corpus.

Corpus items looks boxy/high tech. Its their theme.

[(XBOX)Graysmog]

25 minutes ago, xcrimsonlegendx said:

The lead weapon dev on the Tennocon stream said earlier that they were in fact his signature weapons.

Okay, then easiest way to explain that is that only Tenno weapons get Primed, because they were weapons the Tenno regularly used and function on the bullets/blades rule most other weapons don't. Just because a weapon is a Signature Weapon doesn't mean it would make any sense to Prime, Oberon's pack comes with a Grineer rifle, and obviously those couldn't be Primed because the Grineer only rebelled after the Orokin started to fall. Corpus weapons could technically be Primed, what with the insurrectionists and rebels, but I doubt the Orokin would even consider using advanced weaponry after it was shown not to work.

You can't Prime an Infested weapon for the simple fact of them not existing at the time, the Orokin were not too keen on weaponizing the Infestation anymore once it got out of hand and caused a giant plague while not doing anything to their enemies. The only reason Warframes are Infested is because that was the only way they could create bodies that could properly act as soldiers and conduits/therapy for Warframe powers/Tenno (while being the only thing they could send in as an Infestation clean up crew, forcing their hand when it came to finding a form of Infestation they could use), and this was found out completely on accident seemingly before the research on Infestation stopped and the experimentation with the Helminth strain, a more domesticated strain they could control to an extent, had fully been embraced by Orokin higher-ups. 

The only weapon we have that hints at what you're suggesting is the Mire, a relic of the Great Plague. Yet the text is very vague on how it was created, so it's far more likely the weapon wasn't created by the Orokin themselves and was more of a happen-stance thing like the Mutalist weapons.

[xcrimsonlegendx]

14 minutes ago, --F--NerevarCM said:

No, its not. There's no relation besides these items being Corpus.

Corpus items looks boxy/high tech. Its their theme.

I'm not trying to say that they are linked in the lore. Just pointing out that a Corpus themed sentinel was primed, that's all. They use the same color pallet, they're clearly visually themed to match that's it.

[xcrimsonlegendx]

8 minutes ago, (XBOX)Graysmog said:

Okay, then easiest way to explain that is that only Tenno weapons get Primed, because they were weapons the Tenno regularly used and function on the bullets/blades rule most other weapons don't. Just because a weapon is a Signature Weapon doesn't mean it would make any sense to Prime, Oberon's pack comes with a Grineer rifle, and obviously those couldn't be Primed because the Grineer only rebelled after the Orokin started to fall. Corpus weapons could technically be Primed, what with the insurrectionists and rebels, but I doubt the Orokin would even consider using advanced weaponry after it was shown not to work.

You can't Prime an Infested weapon for the simple fact of them not existing at the time, the Orokin were not too keen on weaponizing the Infestation anymore once it got out of hand and caused a giant plague while not doing anything to their enemies. The only reason Warframes are Infested is because that was the only way they could create bodies that could properly act as soldiers and conduits for Warframe powers (while being the only thing they could send in as an Infestation clean up crew), and this was found out completely on accident seemingly before the research on Infestation stopped and the experimentation with the Helminth strain, a more domesticated strain they could control to an extent, had fully been embraced by Orokin higher-ups. 

Yeah, I get ya.

But if Oberon had been a Grineer themed frame it might have seemed a little less obvious.

[Marvelous_A]

They are possible as long as they are Orokin-origin in the lore or DE retcons the lore so a prime is possible.

Like Helios which is Corpus-themed but a prime variant exists because all sentinels are in the lore non faction specific (as they were technically a branch of sentients) and therefore all of them can potentially get a prime.

[--F--NerevarCM]

8 minutes ago, xcrimsonlegendx said:

I'm not trying to say that they are linked in the lore. Just pointing out that a Corpus themed sentinel was primed, that's all. They use the same color pallet, they're clearly visually themed to match that's it.

It is a Corpus knock off made by Alad V based on a Orokin Sentinel.

Just like the Braton have a Corpus Luxor Forge made skin while the Braton was always a Orokin weapon made for the Tenno for the war.

[(XBOX)Graysmog]

30 minutes ago, xcrimsonlegendx said:

Okay so the Arca set is built around the Helios theme? It doesn't change the clear relation in their visual design and theme.

I think it's just more of a color coincidence than a literal connection. These weapons and armor came with the Orb Vallis, and they're used on Nef Anyo's minions. It's far more likely that these items were created by Nef, since we already know Helios was created by Alad. That and, considering the actual material they're made of (look at the Corpus ship with its "plastic" looking MOAs), I don't think they're related. Alad favors raw metal and less plastic in his Corpus designs, look at all of the shiny metal his Amalgams and regular units have.

 

• • In chemistry, an Amalgam typically refers to an alloy composed of Mercury and another metal; all Amalgams encountered in WARFRAME are hybrids of Sentients and another faction.

[xcrimsonlegendx]

2 minutes ago, --F--NerevarCM said:

It is a Corpus knock off made by Alad V based on a Orokin Sentinel.

Just like the Braton have a Corpus Luxor Forge made skin while the Braton was always a Orokin weapon made for the Tenno for the war.

So by that logic the Hema had it been made by the Orokin along with Nidus could be primed, that's all I'm trying to say. Its possible, there's no reason that could not happen.

[(XBOX)YoungGunn82]

I say good. Gimmie the real OG of guns. My AkMagnus Primes!! I wanna see some super freaky nasty designs for my faves. 

[(XBOX)Graysmog]

14 minutes ago, xcrimsonlegendx said:

Yeah, I get ya.

But if Oberon had been a Grineer themed frame it might have seemed a little less obvious.

Well Mirage's base helmet has a very Grineer-esque design, but at the end of the day, they were created by the Orokin. Vauban looks like a regular Corpus, yet he was Primed, mostly because their design is just thematic flair meant to fit in with the theme they were built around. Nidus is based around the Infested and its ability to evolve and consume everything, Revenant resembles the Eidolon Sentients (giant Sentient tanks, essentially) that were capable of destroying entire city-wide areas, and other Warframes like Ember, Frost or Xaku resemble an element in the world.

[--F--NerevarCM]

3 minutes ago, xcrimsonlegendx said:

So by that logic the Hema had it been made by the Orokin along with Nidus could be primed, that's all I'm trying to say. Its possible, there's no reason that could not happen.

Ehm... No? As a Warframe, Nidus was created to control a special strain of infestation that follow his command. But this only works because Warframes are Infested. He is Orokin tech created to use the infestation.

There's no strain created that can make a Orokin weapon control the infestation. Infested weapons are living beings used as weapons. Like the Hema, the Synapse or are literally Infested parts like the Mire being just a mass of infested bones.

The only strain capable of making a Orokin/Corpus tech weapon become infested is the Mutalist Strain. And Alad V created that one. Meaning that the infestation in the Orokin Era wasn't able to infect technology.

[xcrimsonlegendx]

1 minute ago, --F--NerevarCM said:

Ehm... No? As a Warframe, Nidus was created to control a special strain of infestation that follow his command. But this only works because Warframes are Infested. He is Orokin tech created to use the infestation.

There's no strain created that can make a Orokin weapon control the infestation. Infested weapons are living beings used as weapons. Like the Hema, the Synapse or are literally Infested parts like the Mire being just a mass of infested bones.

The only strain capable of making a Orokin/Corpus tech weapon become infested is the Mutalist Strain. And Alad V created that one. Meaning that the infestation in the Orokin Era wasn't able to infect technology.

I'm not sure I follow your line of thinking.

I'm not saying Hema and Hirudo control the infestation, simply that they are of the same strain as Nidus. Made by his creators as his tools, perhaps an extension of himself, another part of that strain you mention he controls. Take notice that the Helminth cyst, Helminth charger, Nidus and his signature weapons all share the same thematic design. It seems pretty clear that they're all related in one way or another.

[--F--NerevarCM]

6 minutes ago, xcrimsonlegendx said:

I'm not saying Hema and Hirudo control the infestation, simply that they are of the same strain as Nidus.

They are not. There is no Helminth strain created for weapons. The Helminth Strain was created for living beings. And if it was, then the Orokin would be able to use infested weapons against the Sentients, completly #*!%ing up the lore.

There wasn't any strain capable of making Orokin tech weapons able to control the infestation. That was created by Alad V millenia after the end of the war. Thats why the Orokin created infested soldiers, not Infested weapons.

The oldest Infested weapon in the game is the Mire and is literally a huge bone covered in flesh. Thats it. No tech.

If Hema was a tech weapon before, then it was Corpus. Or is a pure infested weapon like many others.

[xcrimsonlegendx]

5 minutes ago, --F--NerevarCM said:

They are not. There is no Helminth strain created for weapons. The Helminth Strain was created for living beings. And if it was, then the Orokin would be able to use infested weapons against the Sentients, completly #*!%ing up the lore.

There wasn't any strain capable of making Orokin tech weapons able to control the infestation. That was created by Alad V millenia after the end of the war. Thats why the Orokin created infested soldiers, not Infested weapons.

The oldest Infested weapon in the game is the Mire and is literally a huge bone covered in flesh. Thats it. No tech.

If Hema was a tech weapon before, then it was Corpus. Or is a pure infested weapon like many others.

Alright friend don't get angry, thanks for the info.

[--F--NerevarCM]

1 minute ago, xcrimsonlegendx said:

Alright friend, if you say so.

I'm glad you understood