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So in the new war trailer, we saw Alad V giving orders to the corpus, and that's all good but...

 

1 - didn't alad v get infested

2 - didn't he get murdered by hunhow in second dream quest

3 - didn't we killed alad in jupiter

 

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1) Alad V is the only known person to deinfest themselves.

2) Hunhow went after him and so did the Acolytes. He escaped the former and we protected him from the latter.

3) There has never been any indication that completed Assassination missions against plot relevant characters are canon.

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1 minute ago, Mints said:

1) Alad V is the only known person to deinfest themselves.

2) Hunhow went after him and so did the Acoloytes. He escaped the former and we protected him from the latter.

3) There has never been any indication that completed Assassination missions against plot relevant characters are canon.

sounds kinda lazy ngl, almost like whatever we do on bosses or quests have no effect in the story

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1 minute ago, -Moctezuma- said:

sounds kinda lazy ngl, almost like whatever we do on bosses or quests have no effect in the story

There's a deeper rabbit hole of speculation if you'd prefer it: Hunhow refers to Alad V as "Orokin" on at least one occasion. Alad has always been unusually keen in his endeavors and always one step ahead. Based on his scientific acumen and his ability to actually cure himself of Infestation he may be far older and far wiser than anyone realizes. He always seems to have a bottomless wallet and has even managed to go rogue and manage his own fleet even when exiled by the Board. Guy's definitely more than he appears to be.

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1 minute ago, -Moctezuma- said:

sounds kinda lazy ngl, almost like whatever we do on bosses or quests have no effect in the story

Some bosses just need proper animation to show that they didn't die and just escaped or were defeated, Vay hek is the only one and stalker too I guess.

As for quests there's some problems that basically come from old operations that came with a story but those stories were a one time thing so if someone missed or didn't read about them then the story is kind of a mess and they should really fix that

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48 minutes ago, -Moctezuma- said:

sounds kinda lazy ngl, almost like whatever we do on bosses or quests have no effect in the story

To be fair I'm pretty sure Alad V is the only character who has been seen dying in an Assassination mission but still shows up in later parts of the story. Every other boss is either a proxy robot and can be rebuilt, is shown to escape/be revived (eg Vor), or never appears again in the story after their Assassination. That's probably why Nef Anyo doesn't have a boss fight yet.

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1 hour ago, Mints said:

There's a deeper rabbit hole of speculation if you'd prefer it: Hunhow refers to Alad V as "Orokin" on at least one occasion. Alad has always been unusually keen in his endeavors and always one step ahead. Based on his scientific acumen and his ability to actually cure himself of Infestation he may be far older and far wiser than anyone realizes. He always seems to have a bottomless wallet and has even managed to go rogue and manage his own fleet even when exiled by the Board. Guy's definitely more than he appears to be.

In the trailer the corpus guy also calls him the “gilded one”. 🤔 hmm 

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1 hour ago, (XBOX)C11H22O11 said:

Some bosses just need proper animation to show that they didn't die and just escaped or were defeated, Vay hek is the only one and stalker too I guess.

As for quests there's some problems that basically come from old operations that came with a story but those stories were a one time thing so if someone missed or didn't read about them then the story is kind of a mess and they should really fix that

Yup. All those old operations need to be playable and reworked for a proper canon time line. 

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The characters we assassinate are all dead after the mission ends. Except for the Grineer as they can clone those bosses back up again. We killed Vor in mercury and the void took him, while Vor in Ceres didn't have many memories about us as they just clone him. Same with the one who with him. The Corpus mostly are proxies and/or generic soldiers so they can replace anyway.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Zanuka can revive Alad V. So I think either there is another Zanuka that comes rescue him after we left, or there are plots that we didn't know about...

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misplace the second Vor (lol)
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1 hour ago, YUNoJump said:

To be fair I'm pretty sure Alad V is the only character who has been seen dying in an Assassination mission but still shows up in later parts of the story. Every other boss is either a proxy robot and can be rebuilt, is shown to escape/be revived (eg Vor), or never appears again in the story after their Assassination. That's probably why Nef Anyo doesn't have a boss fight yet.

Ruk was back for Scarlet Spear and other events, Kela is back Dog Days, and Tyl has Tubemen event and Natah quest. The only two bosses that are canonically dead are Vor and Kril.

29 minutes ago, NocheLuz said:

The characters we assassinate are all dead after the mission ends. Except for the Grineer as they can clone those bosses back up again. We killed Vor in mercury and the void took him, while Vor in Ceres didn't have many memories about us as they just clone him. Same with the one who with him. The Corpus mostly are proxies and/or generic soldiers so they can replace anyway.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Zanuka can revive Alad V. So I think either there is another Zanuka that comes rescue him after we left, or there are plots that we didn't know about...

Nothing indicates Zanuka has any kind of revive from death ability, beyond gameplay mechanics.

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Yeaj I dont like this inconsistency about assasinated characters showinp up later again.

If you dont want your characters to be killed in those mission, just nake it clear that they escaped after the fight like Vay Hek mission from Earth

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13 minutes ago, Atsia said:

Nothing indicates Zanuka has any kind of revive from death ability, beyond gameplay mechanics.

Well, it's kinda hard to argue with that logic. But I can only argue with, "If that is the case, then all bosses dying in the mission is also game mechanic?"... If you don't want us to consider Zanuka can revive Alad V as canon... just take out this ability off the game.

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2 minutes ago, NocheLuz said:

Well, it's kinda hard to argue with that logic. But I can only argue with, "If that is the case, then all bosses dying in the mission is also game mechanic?"... If you don't want us to consider Zanuka can revive Alad V as canon... just take out this ability off the game.

I mean, yes? You shouldn't consider gameplay mechanics as canon. Assassination missions being the case in point. Things in lore, primarily frames themselves, very much do not work as shown in gameplay.

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Just now, Atsia said:

I mean, yes? You shouldn't consider gameplay as canon. Assassination missions being the case in point.

So, logically speaking... we didn't assassinated them? It's kinda confuse...

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2 minutes ago, NocheLuz said:

So, logically speaking... we didn't assassinated them? It's kinda confuse...

Yes, most bosses don't actually die in Assassination mission. It is a point of confusion. the only two bosses that canonically died are Vor, and Kril iirc.

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2 hours ago, Mints said:

There's a deeper rabbit hole of speculation if you'd prefer it: Hunhow refers to Alad V as "Orokin" on at least one occasion. Alad has always been unusually keen in his endeavors and always one step ahead. Based on his scientific acumen and his ability to actually cure himself of Infestation he may be far older and far wiser than anyone realizes. He always seems to have a bottomless wallet and has even managed to go rogue and manage his own fleet even when exiled by the Board. Guy's definitely more than he appears to be.

There is more than it appears, but ironically it has nothing to do with Alad. It has everything to do with Hunhow

Basically Hunhow neither knows nor cares what "Orokin" means. He thinks it's a species, not a social caste. In truth he's completely wrong, but again he doesn't care.

This ties into Hunhow's further delusions, where he was supposedly a farmer, but was so good at torturing people and killing things he was appointed fleet admiral. He even envisions himself as the "Destroyer of Worlds" when he's just an ignorant warhawk

This in turn contrasts with his daughter Natah, who believes that the Sentients were good guys who were completely justified in a preemptive strike against the Orokin Empire for the greater good of life as a whole. In truth the Sentients are just evil genocidal killbots no better than the Orokin, and are lying to Natah to make her feel better.

Alad V is just a (un)lucky moron. But he makes a great catalyst to expose how insane the Sentients are

8 minutes ago, NocheLuz said:

So, logically speaking... we didn't assassinated them? It's kinda confuse...

In canon, we have basically failed every assassination mission

Vay Hek escapes (twice). Alad V survives. Captain Vor's first battle, he either escapes, or is ressurected in a fresh body. The Infested grow new bodies from Larvae (according to the Sorties). The only assassination missions we have ever succeeded was against the Grineer Queen, and against Captain Vor the second time

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1 minute ago, Atsia said:

Yes, most bosses don't actually die in Assassination mission. It is a point of confusion. the only two bosses that canonically died are Vor, and Kril iirc.

   Thanks!! That would mean when DE reworks those bosses we can see them escape after being defeated like how Vay Hek did right?

Just now, TARINunit9 said:

In canon, we have basically failed every assassination mission

Vay Hek escapes (twice). Alad V survives. Captain Vor's first battle, he either escapes, or is ressurected in a fresh body. The Infested grow new bodies from Larvae (according to the Sorties). The only assassination missions we have ever succeeded was against the Grineer Queen, and against Captain Vor the second time

Oh.... Tenno the space ninja who failed at assassination (lol)

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1 minute ago, TARINunit9 said:

In canon, we have basically failed every assassination mission

Vay Hek escapes (twice). Alad V survives. Captain Vor's first battle, he either escapes, or is ressurected in a fresh body. The Infested grow new bodies from Larvae (according to the Sorties). The only assassination missions we have ever succeeded was against the Grineer Queen, and against Captain Vor the second time

Also in canon quest line we don’t know if other Tenno exist. 

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1 minute ago, NocheLuz said:

Thanks!! That would mean when DE reworks those bosses we can see them escape after being defeated like how Vay Hek did right?

I mean, they aren't gonna rework them. Kela is already a reworked boss, same as Raptor and Ambulas, and they didn't change animations there either.

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1 minute ago, (XBOX)YoungGunn82 said:

Also in canon quest line we don’t know if other Tenno exist. 

Well sort of.

In the canon there are plenty of other Tenno running around. Not only is Rell a Z-kid himself, but there were multiple Z-kid bullies bullying him, so that's at least three more Tenno right there. Plus all the older lore mentioning other Tenno in relays, other Tenno on a "Tenno council," etc.

But in canon, you are always the most important Tenno. You were one of the Lotus's six bodyguards, you were the one to be captured by Vor's Ascaris, you were the first one to be woken up out of the Reservoir, you were the one to kill the Red Kween. And in my playthrough, I was the one who canonically did all those things

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