Vectis Vs Lanka: A Mathematical Comparison

[GottFaust]

Vectis (Primed Chamber)

Build

• Cryo Rounds
• Hammer Shot
• Hellfire (swap to Stormbringer for corpus)
• Point Strike
• Primed Chamber
• Serration
• Split Chamber
• Vital Sense

Damage Per Second

DPS :: 17134.357

Damage Per Shot

First Shot Damage :: 27632.08 (note that every shot get the first-shot damage bonus)

Full Data

Name :: Vectis

Magazine Size :: 1

Total Ammo :: 73

Crit Chance :: 62.5%

Crit Damage Multiplier :: 560%

Fire Rate :: 1.5 rounds per second

Reload Time :: 1 seconds

Damage :: 2467.15

Damage Shields :: 3260.162

Damage Corpus :: 2467.15

Damage Grineer :: 2467.15

Damage Infested :: 3260.162

Crit Damage :: 13816.04

Crit Damage to Shields :: 18256.91

Crit Damage to Corpus :: 13816.04

Crit Damage to Grineer :: 13816.04

Crit Damage to Infested :: 18256.91

Average Damage :: 9560.206

Average Damage to Shields :: 12633.13

Average Damage to Corpus :: 9560.206

Average Damage to Grineer :: 9560.206

Average Damage to Infested :: 12633.13

First Shot Damage :: 27632.08

First Shot Damage to Shields :: 36513.82

First Shot Damage to Corpus :: 27632.08

First Shot Damage to Grineer :: 27632.08

First Shot Damage to Infested :: 36513.82

Damage per Mag :: 28557.261

Damage per Mag to Shields :: 37736.381

Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 28557.261

Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 28557.261

Damage per Mag to Infested :: 37736.381

DPS :: 17134.357

DPS to Shields :: 22641.829

DPS to Corpus :: 17134.357

DPS to Grineer :: 17134.357

DPS to Infested :: 22641.829

Burst DPS :: 42835.892

Burst DPS to Shields :: 56604.571

Burst DPS to Corpus :: 42835.892

Burst DPS to Grineer :: 42835.892

Burst DPS to Infested :: 56604.571

For those of us without Primed Chamber, here's the same Vectis build with Charged Chamber substituted:

Vectis (Charged Chamber)

Build

• Charged Chamber
• Cryo Rounds
• Hammer Shot
• Hellfire (swap to Stormbringer for corpus)
• Point Strike
• Serration
• Split Chamber
• Vital Sense

Damage Per Second

DPS :: 12160.582

Damage Per Shot

First Shot Damage :: 19342.456 (note that every shot get the first-shot damage bonus)

Full Data

Name :: Vectis

Magazine Size :: 1

Total Ammo :: 73

Crit Chance :: 62.5%

Crit Damage Multiplier :: 560%

Fire Rate :: 1.5 rounds per second

Reload Time :: 1 seconds

Damage :: 2467.15

Damage Shields :: 3260.162

Damage Corpus :: 2467.15

Damage Grineer :: 2467.15

Damage Infested :: 3260.162

Crit Damage :: 13816.04

Crit Damage to Shields :: 18256.91

Crit Damage to Corpus :: 13816.04

Crit Damage to Grineer :: 13816.04

Crit Damage to Infested :: 18256.91

Average Damage :: 9560.206

Average Damage to Shields :: 12633.13

Average Damage to Corpus :: 9560.206

Average Damage to Grineer :: 9560.206

Average Damage to Infested :: 12633.13

First Shot Damage :: 19342.456

First Shot Damage to Shields :: 25559.674

First Shot Damage to Corpus :: 19342.456

First Shot Damage to Grineer :: 19342.456

First Shot Damage to Infested :: 25559.674

Damage per Mag :: 20267.637

Damage per Mag to Shields :: 26782.235

Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 20267.637

Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 20267.637

Damage per Mag to Infested :: 26782.235

DPS :: 12160.582

DPS to Shields :: 16069.341

DPS to Corpus :: 12160.582

DPS to Grineer :: 12160.582

DPS to Infested :: 16069.341

Burst DPS :: 30401.456

Burst DPS to Shields :: 40173.352

Burst DPS to Corpus :: 30401.456

Burst DPS to Grineer :: 30401.456

Burst DPS to Infested :: 40173.352

Lanka

Build

• Cryo Rounds
• Hellfire
• Point Strike
• Serration
• Speed Trigger
• Split Chamber
• Stormbringer
• Vital Sense

Damage Per Second

DPS :: 8802.951

Damage Per Shot

Crit Damage :: 15369.338

Full Data

Name :: Lanka

Magazine Size :: 10

Total Ammo :: 82

Crit Chance :: 50%

Crit Damage Multiplier :: 330%

Fire Rate :: 1.067 rounds per second

Reload Time :: 2 seconds

Damage :: 4657.375

Damage Shields :: 5790.25

Damage Corpus :: 5790.25

Damage Grineer :: 4657.375

Damage Infested :: 5790.25

Crit Damage :: 15369.338

Crit Damage to Shields :: 19107.825

Crit Damage to Corpus :: 19107.825

Crit Damage to Grineer :: 15369.338

Crit Damage to Infested :: 19107.825

Average Damage :: 10013.356

Average Damage to Shields :: 12449.038

Average Damage to Corpus :: 12449.038

Average Damage to Grineer :: 10013.356

Average Damage to Infested :: 12449.038

Damage per Mag :: 100133.562

Damage per Mag to Shields :: 124490.375

Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 124490.375

Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 100133.562

Damage per Mag to Infested :: 124490.375

DPS :: 8802.951

DPS to Shields :: 10944.209

DPS to Corpus :: 10944.209

DPS to Grineer :: 8802.951

DPS to Infested :: 10944.209

Burst DPS :: 10680.913

Burst DPS to Shields :: 13278.973

Burst DPS to Corpus :: 13278.973

Burst DPS to Grineer :: 10680.913

Burst DPS to Infested :: 13278.973

The builds listed above are the ones that result in the best damage for each gun based on some extensive testing. No, Critical Delay does not result in a net damage gain for the Vectis as it takes up a slot that could be used for a 90% damage gain elemental mod, and the fire-rate dictates the period of time between the shot and the start of the reload.

Take the numbers as you will.

Edited November 2, 2013 by GottFaust

[Roltair]

What did you attack?

You need to factor in that Vectis gets bonus damage on Grineer and Lanka gets bonus damage on Infested. Seems like you used Grineer as your test subject.

Edited November 2, 2013 by Roltair

[GottFaust]

What did you attack?

You need to factor in that Vectis gets bonus damage on Grineer and Lanka gets bonus damage on Infested. Seems like you used Grineer as your test subject.

It's raw DPS, the grineer/infested/corpus/shields damage is listed in the full data spoilers section.

[Roltair]

It's raw DPS, the grineer/infested/corpus/shields damage is listed in the full data spoilers section.

I see, sorry didn't see that, well those are some interesting results...

[PsychedelicSnake]

Personally, I'll use these weapons how I've always planned to use them.

 

Lanka = Hard targets

 

Vectis = Everything else

[GottFaust]

Personally, I'll use these weapons how I've always planned to use them.

 

Lanka = Hard targets

 

Vectis = Everything else

I personally prefer the feel of the Lanka. I'm used to sniping with bullet travel time from literally every other modern shooter, and I don't like bolt-action snipers in general.

This is purely a mathematical comparison.

[ShardsSuperior]

Could you compare to Snipetron Vandal?

[CubedOobleck]

Sigh, power creep everywhere with these new tenno weapons.

[GottFaust]

Could you compare to Snipetron Vandal?

The Sandal isn't even close to these two, but sure.

Snipetron Vandal

Build

• Cryo Rounds
• Hellfire
• Point Strike
• Serration
• Speed Trigger
• Split Chamber
• Stormbringer
• Vital Sense

Damage Per Second

DPS :: 6675.571

Damage Per Shot

Crit Damage :: 7684.669

Full Data

Name :: Snipetron Vandal

Magazine Size :: 6

Total Ammo :: 78

Crit Chance :: 50%

Crit Damage Multiplier :: 330%

Fire Rate :: 2.4 rounds per second

Reload Time :: 2 seconds

Damage :: 2328.688

Damage Shields :: 2895.125

Damage Corpus :: 2895.125

Damage Grineer :: 2328.688

Damage Infested :: 2895.125

Crit Damage :: 7684.669

Crit Damage to Shields :: 9553.912

Crit Damage to Corpus :: 9553.912

Crit Damage to Grineer :: 7684.669

Crit Damage to Infested :: 9553.912

Average Damage :: 5006.678

Average Damage to Shields :: 6224.519

Average Damage to Corpus :: 6224.519

Average Damage to Grineer :: 5006.678

Average Damage to Infested :: 6224.519

Damage per Mag :: 30040.069

Damage per Mag to Shields :: 37347.112

Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 37347.112

Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 30040.069

Damage per Mag to Infested :: 37347.112

DPS :: 6675.571

DPS to Shields :: 8299.358

DPS to Corpus :: 8299.358

DPS to Grineer :: 6675.571

DPS to Infested :: 8299.358

Burst DPS :: 12016.028

Burst DPS to Shields :: 14938.845

Burst DPS to Corpus :: 14938.845

Burst DPS to Grineer :: 12016.028

Burst DPS to Infested :: 14938.845

[SquirmyBurrito]

Well, if you've done those three you might as well do the Vulkar too. That way we can all laugh. Please.

 

Edit: That sounded like I was trying to order you around, so I tossed a please in there.

Edited November 2, 2013 by SquirmyBurrito

[GottFaust]

Well, if you've done those three you might as well do the Vulkar too. That way we can all laugh. Please.

 

Edit: That sounded like I was trying to order you around, so I tossed a please in there.

It's no problem, I was already working on one before you made your post.

Vulkar

Build

• Cryo Rounds
• Hellfire
• Point Strike
• Serration
• Speed Trigger
• Split Chamber
• Stormbringer
• Vital Sense

Damage Per Second

DPS :: 3534.126

Damage Per Shot

Crit Damage :: 7684.669

Full Data

Name :: Vulkar

Magazine Size :: 4

Total Ammo :: 76

Crit Chance :: 50%

Crit Damage Multiplier :: 330%

Fire Rate :: 2.4 rounds per second

Reload Time :: 4 seconds

Damage :: 2328.688

Damage Shields :: 2895.125

Damage Corpus :: 2895.125

Damage Grineer :: 3493.031

Damage Infested :: 2895.125

Crit Damage :: 7684.669

Crit Damage to Shields :: 9553.912

Crit Damage to Corpus :: 9553.912

Crit Damage to Grineer :: 11527.003

Crit Damage to Infested :: 9553.912

Average Damage :: 5006.678

Average Damage to Shields :: 6224.519

Average Damage to Corpus :: 6224.519

Average Damage to Grineer :: 7510.017

Average Damage to Infested :: 6224.519

Damage per Mag :: 20026.712

Damage per Mag to Shields :: 24898.075

Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 24898.075

Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 30040.069

Damage per Mag to Infested :: 24898.075

DPS :: 3534.126

DPS to Shields :: 4393.778

DPS to Corpus :: 4393.778

DPS to Grineer :: 5301.189

DPS to Infested :: 4393.778

Burst DPS :: 12016.028

Burst DPS to Shields :: 14938.845

Burst DPS to Corpus :: 14938.845

Burst DPS to Grineer :: 18024.041

Burst DPS to Infested :: 14938.845

You'll note that I use the same build with the Sandal, Lolkar, and Lanka. I can't find a better one for those tree, and they all happen to have the same one. I hope Damage/Armor 2.0 changes this.

[Verazix]

Not exactly sniper related, but do you happen to have a spreadsheet with all weapons displayed?  I'm curious how the Vectis compares in pure DPS to the Synapse and Soma mostly.  (And curious how true it is that crit over 100% does something in relation to Synapse)

[low1991]

what's the point of this??

[tigrex]

what's the point of this??

i would say showing that we got another powercreep 

[GottFaust]

Not exactly sniper related, but do you happen to have a spreadsheet with all weapons displayed?  I'm curious how the Vectis compares in pure DPS to the Synapse and Soma mostly.  (And curious how true it is that crit over 100% does something in relation to Synapse)

Soma is ~14k. Synapse is ~15k. The extra 25% crit above 100 on the Synapse basically acts like a 25% Multishot for crits. I can find the old damage comparison thread I make a while back if that would help?

i would say showing that we got another powercreep

I'd like to point out that it's not truly power-creep considering that Primaries are just now catching up to secondaries, which the content is currently balanced around.

Edited November 2, 2013 by GottFaust

[From_Orion]

Please, try to be fair and compare apples to apples, because I'm using the maxed "charged chamber" mod with my lanka and it is actually overpowering my Vectis (Damage per shot)

[lostinrehab]

If you're going for faction specific builds replace hammer shot with a bane mod. It is better.

[NullCurrent]

Please, try to be fair and compare apples to apples, because I'm using the maxed "charged chamber" mod with my lanka and it is actually overpowering my Vectis (Damage per shot)

 

Keep in mind that Charged/Primed Chamber will be useless for 9 out of 10 shots, or that you will have to reload after every shot, making it 1.5 (-speed trigger) + 2 => about 3 seconds per shot. Which means that it still will not outperform the Vectis.

 

If you're going for faction specific builds replace hammer shot with a bane mod. It is better.

 

And that is only going to make a difference between the weapons with different crit-stats, that is every single sniper vs the Vectis.

[GottFaust]

If you're going for faction specific builds replace hammer shot with a bane mod. It is better.

The Primed Chamber Vectis build with Hammer shot dropped for Infested Bane results in the following:

Damage Per Second

DPS to Infested :: 23331.353

Damage Per Shot

First Shot Damage to Infested :: 37296.259

Full Data

Name :: Vectis

Magazine Size :: 1

Total Ammo :: 73

Crit Chance :: 62.5%

Crit Damage Multiplier :: 440%

Fire Rate :: 1.5 rounds per second

Reload Time :: 1 seconds

Damage :: 2467.15

Damage Shields :: 3260.162

Damage Corpus :: 2467.15

Damage Grineer :: 2467.15

Damage Infested :: 4238.211

Crit Damage :: 10855.46

Crit Damage to Shields :: 14344.715

Crit Damage to Corpus :: 10855.46

Crit Damage to Grineer :: 10855.46

Crit Damage to Infested :: 18648.13

Average Damage :: 7709.844

Average Damage to Shields :: 10188.008

Average Damage to Corpus :: 7709.844

Average Damage to Grineer :: 7709.844

Average Damage to Infested :: 13244.41

First Shot Damage :: 21710.92

First Shot Damage to Shields :: 28689.43

First Shot Damage to Corpus :: 21710.92

First Shot Damage to Grineer :: 21710.92

First Shot Damage to Infested :: 37296.259

Damage per Mag :: 22636.101

Damage per Mag to Shields :: 29911.991

Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 22636.101

Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 22636.101

Damage per Mag to Infested :: 38885.588

DPS :: 13581.661

DPS to Shields :: 17947.195

DPS to Corpus :: 13581.661

DPS to Grineer :: 13581.661

DPS to Infested :: 23331.353

Burst DPS :: 33954.152

Burst DPS to Shields :: 44867.986

Burst DPS to Corpus :: 33954.152

Burst DPS to Grineer :: 33954.152

Burst DPS to Infested :: 58328.382

Compared to the base of:

Damage Per Second

DPS to Infested :: 22641.829

Damage Per Shot

First Shot Damage to Infested :: 36513.82

Take that as you will, but note that there is a large drop to the base damage.

Please, try to be fair and compare apples to apples, because I'm using the maxed "charged chamber" mod with my lanka and it is actually overpowering my Vectis (Damage per shot)

Building for first-shot on the Lanka (swapping out hellfire/stormbringer for it depending on the faction) results in this:

Damage Per Second

DPS :: 6143.129

Damage Per Shot

First Shot Damage :: 16283.19

Full Data

Name :: Lanka

Magazine Size :: 1

Total Ammo :: 73

Crit Chance :: 50%

Crit Damage Multiplier :: 330%

Fire Rate :: 1.067 rounds per second

Reload Time :: 2 seconds

Damage :: 3524.5

Damage Shields :: 4657.375

Damage Corpus :: 4657.375

Damage Grineer :: 3524.5

Damage Infested :: 3524.5

Crit Damage :: 11630.85

Crit Damage to Shields :: 15369.338

Crit Damage to Corpus :: 15369.338

Crit Damage to Grineer :: 11630.85

Crit Damage to Infested :: 11630.85

Average Damage :: 7577.675

Average Damage to Shields :: 10013.356

Average Damage to Corpus :: 10013.356

Average Damage to Grineer :: 7577.675

Average Damage to Infested :: 7577.675

First Shot Damage :: 16283.19

First Shot Damage to Shields :: 21517.073

First Shot Damage to Corpus :: 21517.073

First Shot Damage to Grineer :: 16283.19

First Shot Damage to Infested :: 16283.19

Damage per Mag :: 18045.44

Damage per Mag to Shields :: 23845.76

Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 23845.76

Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 18045.44

Damage per Mag to Infested :: 18045.44

DPS :: 6143.129

DPS to Shields :: 8117.706

DPS to Corpus :: 8117.706

DPS to Grineer :: 6143.129

DPS to Infested :: 6143.129

Burst DPS :: 19248.469

Burst DPS to Shields :: 25435.477

Burst DPS to Corpus :: 25435.477

Burst DPS to Grineer :: 19248.469

Burst DPS to Infested :: 19248.469

[Verazix]

Soma is ~14k. Synapse is ~15k. The extra 25% crit above 100 on the Synapse basically acts like a 25% Multishot for crits. I can find the old damage comparison thread I make a while back if that would help?

 

Ah thank you.  That shouldn't be necessary, I can look through your old threads to save you some time.  I appreciate the information as well; good to see some confirmation from a math wizard on how the crit works, makes me wonder if Crit Delay might actually be worth using on Synapse.

[Sawce]

Could you try this mod build out for the Lanka:

 

Serration

Heavy Caliber (Rank7 above)

Hammer Shot

Point Strike

Split Chamber

Vital Sense

Speed Trigger

Cyro Rounds

 

Ignore my post if you don't have heavy caliber above rank 7 :p

[Nemo1776]

can you use this build for lanka plz and for vectis change shred for charge chamber and speed trigger for fast hands

[ziranei]

If im looking at this numbers, they seem bit strange. Especialy dmg to infested, u tested it at ancients or light infested bcs average dmg should be at all units, making lanka more efective and vectis less efective.

Edited November 2, 2013 by ziranei

[ArchangelForcas]

Sigh, power creep everywhere with these new tenno weapons.

Don't like it, don't use it. : D PROBLEM SOLVED!~

[Phoenix86]

Considering Lanka's projectile's travel time i would have picked Vectis anyway...