Revenant's Thralls Buff

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

17 hours ago, Pizzarugi said:

Just gonna ignore the fact that 7 thralls isn't magically going to allow Revenant to troll, in a mission where you could be fighting 30+ enemies all at once.

Trolling requires deliberately following victims around and interfering with their game. For Revenant to effectively troll, he'd need to constantly enthrall and kill one enemy at a time which is whatever the victim was trying to interact with. That is extremely slow compared to simply mass murdering the room as Saryn or Mesa or even just using Danse Macabre and following the victim around. The strategy is also unviable, because you can't guarantee that a pillar you left behind didn't create thralls somewhere else and took you to your cap, thus interfering and trolling yourself.

Seriously, if you want to troll players who need to interact with enemies, you're much better off playing a nuke frame. Revenant can only control 7 thralls, Saryn or Mesa or Equinox or Volt can wipe out 30+ enemies with a single button. Limbo, despite the nerfs he received to his griefing potential, is a far more effective troll than Revenant will ever be. All he has to do is follow someone and keep spamming 1. You think a troll cares if someone can roll out when he can just tap 1 again?

The pillars only spawn on 1st gen thralls, and knowing teammates, they already murdered all the enemies near the pillars so no new thralls are being made anyway.

Even if a pillar did create a 2nd gen thrall, teammates are also going to murder them as well.

Create thrall, kill it, use Danse macabre to destroy the pillar.

You claim that is slow. Well digging into your bag of arguments for Revenant. Just throw Natural talent on him. Immediately the interaction is faster.

And I’ve been saying that the change would create toxicity for the past several posts. That doesn’t just include trolling. That also includes giving Revenants an unwarranted entitlement to killing enemies.

Because again, that’s all this thread effectively is. A handful of people complaining that their Warframe, who is not a good frame, cannot get kills because guns are just better and faster than it. So you’d rather have a way to cherry pick what enemies your squadmates are allowed to kill.

[Pizzarugi]

5 hours ago, (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 said:

Create thrall, kill it, use Danse macabre to destroy the pillar.

Again, might as well just use Danse Macabre through the entire mission while following the person you're trolling and deny them any kills. Creating thralls is grossly inefficient.

5 hours ago, (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 said:

You claim that is slow. Well digging into your bag of arguments for Revenant. Just throw Natural talent on him. Immediately the interaction is faster.

Still slower than just using your guns or Danse Macabre.

5 hours ago, (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 said:

And I’ve been saying that the change would create toxicity for the past several posts. That doesn’t just include trolling. That also includes giving Revenants an unwarranted entitlement to killing enemies.

You have any idea how many other frames feel entitled to killing enemies? Nidus is laughing at the idea that Revenant's puny 7 thrall count means those players feel entitled to kills.

5 hours ago, (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 said:

So you’d rather have a way to cherry pick what enemies your squadmates are allowed to kill.

7 thralls have absolutely no impact on the game's experience for other people. You're almost always fighting 30+ enemies at once, taking a small handful for your own needs, which is no different from any other frame that needs kills, is not some special little outlier. You just don't like Revenant and you'd rather break him into something completely different than give any inch of quality of life.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

17 hours ago, Pizzarugi said:

Again, might as well just use Danse Macabre through the entire mission while following the person you're trolling and deny them any kills. Creating thralls is grossly inefficient.

Still slower than just using your guns or Danse Macabre.

You have any idea how many other frames feel entitled to killing enemies? Nidus is laughing at the idea that Revenant's puny 7 thrall count means those players feel entitled to kills.

7 thralls have absolutely no impact on the game's experience for other people. You're almost always fighting 30+ enemies at once, taking a small handful for your own needs, which is no different from any other frame that needs kills, is not some special little outlier. You just don't like Revenant and you'd rather break him into something completely different than give any inch of quality of life.

There’s 1 key different between preventing an enemy from being killed and killing the enemy before someone else. The difference is the enemy dies and they drop the loot/life support/ whatever else they could possibly drop that would be a benefit the players. Simply killing enemies efficiently is not trolling your squadmates. Well technically it’s clearly trolling the Revenants and I find that hilarious.

I probably missed it but I already went into depth as to Nidus’s issue with squadmates killing larvaed enemies and why DE went with the solution they did. Basically giving a frame the ability to zoop up all the enemies and make them unkillable to everybody but him is far more toxic and team unfriendly than making kills on the enemies have a % chance of giving the Nidus a stack.

Where are you going outside of SP endless missions where you’re facing 30+ enemies? We can’t hold 1 game modes standards to the rest of the game. Seems pretty shady using the absolute maximum potential enemy encounter just to give your argument some leg to stand on. Other game modes don’t have such densely packed enemy groups and thus Enthrall has a bigger affect.

Can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. And why not just make Revenant an overall better frame instead of him becoming ever more irrelevant with every update.

[Perfectly_Framed_Waifu]

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